Re: Any comments of the SpamHaus lawsuit?
On Tue, 2006-10-10 at 23:25 -0700, John Rudd wrote: > Jason Haar wrote: > > I've been waiting for anyone else to bring it up - but no-one has. > > > > If Spamhaus lose this lawsuit (which they are ignoring as they are > > UK-based and this is some judge in Chicago), they may very well lose > > their ".ORG" domain - which would have a rather large impact on our > > Antispam scores for a start... > > > > http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20061009/anti-spam-lawsuit.htm > > > > "Americans to arms" I say... Start sending "Internet for Dummies" to the > > judge for starters ;-) > > I'm not really sure it's such a big deal. > > Spamhaus will have to resort to their UK domain. One where the laws > entirely protect them from this kind of harassment. We'll all switch to > using that domain instead of the .org domain, when using/referencing > their RBLs. Oh the horror. > > Meanwhile, the twit who sued them has wasted a bunch of court fees, and > made only the slightest dent in their operations. > > And the UK gets to look good. And the US government gets to look stupid > in front of the world court of opinion (like that's anything new, given > our current administration). > > Where's the problem? The precedent is the problem. As soon as one chickenboner wins the SLAPP lottery, they'll all line up to SLAPP any organization, corporation, or individual that annoys them. Convicted felons like Ralsky will be laughing themselves to sleep, thinking how easy it is to use a legal steamroller to quash their opposition. Spamfighting is almost entirely a volunteer operation, and those who join the Lumber Cartel (TINLC) do so with the expectation that they'll receive a lot of "Cartooney" threats from lawyers and pretend-lawyers. If this company succeeds in cutting off spamhaus's domain, the Cartooney letters will start to be real. At that point, the options open to the army of private citizens who've been fighting spam quickly narrow down to either quiting or joining/imitating SPEWS. Cartel members (TINC) will start looking over their shoulder and waiting for the process-server - and when that happens, the terrorists have won. FWIW. YMMV. Bill
RE: Any comments of the SpamHaus lawsuit?
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 09:23 -0400, Coffey, Neal wrote: > [snip] > SpamHaus took on more responsibility than they'd like to admit. > Unfortunately, this bit of the story isn't widely reported. Here's the > best reference I could find, from the blog of an Illinois lawyer: > > http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/664 >From the article: "As lawyers always do, let me caveat this with the usual disclaimers: I know only the bare minimum of details about the case, this message should not be construed in any way as legal advice, and no one should mistake me for a qualified trial lawyer. As someone, probably a law professor, once said: those who can do, do; those who can’t, teach." >From my mother: "... and those who can't teach, teach teachers" ;-) > "Spamhaus may have waived personal jurisdiction as a defense early on in > the case when they not only appeared, but then asked for the case to be > removed from state court (where it was originally filed) and moved to > federal district court (where it is today). Arguably, [...] doing so > inherently acknowledged the jurisdiction of the federal court." > > Basically, SpamHaus said "Hey, you don't have jurisdiction, the Federal > courts do!" Then, when the case went to the Federal courts, SpamHaus > said "Wait...you don't either!" Which doesn't work. > > That being said, I'm definitely on SpamHaus' side of the case in every > legal and moral sense. It's unfortunate that they may have screwed > themselves. Well, the dillemma is now clear: have a public presence and risk SLAPP suits, or join SPEWS and put up with getting your email via NANAB. Seems like an easy choice to me. Bill
Re: Any comments of the SpamHaus lawsuit?
On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 06:16 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hi, > > quite frankly: mis-listings occur but if a domain remains blacklisted > after a court case, it > must be for a reason :) > As an email user, I dont want to have to find out that reason :( > As a non-american, I can see this as a "vote with your feet" case stop > buying US > products > > Wolfgang Hamann > It's hard to stop buying US products, or UK products, or any particular nation's products: everybody is selling things to everybody else, and the computer in your "German" car might come from Malaysia, Texas, Japan, or Singapore. The list goes on. I suggest a different approach: organize your friends, coworkers, and neighbors to get your own government involved: after all, if a U.S. court can dictate the actions of a UK company, then it should be able to do so in other countries. FWIW. Bill Horne
Re: sa-learn and "Caught" spams
On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 21:00 -0400, Matt Kettler wrote: > Bill Horne wrote: > > > > I have a "follow on" question, so I'll add it to this thread: > > > > Assuming that it's a good idea to feed "Caught" spams through sa-learn > > in order to reinforce the tokens that might not have been autolearned, > > how do I tell SA to ignore the " SPAM " notice in the subject? I > > have ignore-header commands in local.cf for the "X-Spam-Status: Yes" and > > other spam headers, but how do I skip only a portion of the subject? > > Provided it's a markup your SpamAssassin generated, SA will > automatically ignore it when learning. Matt, Thanks for your reply: I apologize for not writing more clearly. I'm running Exim4 with Exiscan, so the " SPAM " prefix is being added to the Subject header by Exim4, not SA. The question is: can sa-learn be taught to ignore specific parts of the subject line, or do I need to filter its input with a separate process? TIA. Bill Horne
Re: sa-learn and "Caught" spams
On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 06:37 +, Mike Woods wrote: > Hi guys, bit of a query regarding sa-learn and messages that have > already been tagged as spam. > > We have spamassassin scanning mail via amavisd and sending any caught > spams to a spam folder in the users accounts (using plus addressing), > we've also been getting users to drop any missed spams into this spam > folder so we can train spamassassin on them, at present I have a script > that moves *only* the missed spams to a master folder for sa-learn, my > question is simple, would there be any benefit in including the mails > identified as spam in this process, I know sa-learn looks for common > patterns in spams to identify them as spam but im unsure if adding known > spams in would be beneficial in this ? I have a "follow on" question, so I'll add it to this thread: Assuming that it's a good idea to feed "Caught" spams through sa-learn in order to reinforce the tokens that might not have been autolearned, how do I tell SA to ignore the " SPAM " notice in the subject? I have ignore-header commands in local.cf for the "X-Spam-Status: Yes" and other spam headers, but how do I skip only a portion of the subject? TIA. Bill
Re: Registrar RBL: nomination and scoring
On Sun, Aug 13, 2006 at 06:26:18PM -0700, jdow wrote: > > I wonder what the reputation of homelinux.org is these days. > (I just posted a couple "rules" to the FC mailing list about them. > A spam was relayed through them to the list followed by two shills > who copied the entire message and complained at the bottom "pro > forma." This is not the first time this has happened.) > Homelinux.org is owned by dyndns.org, and the company gives out domain names like timesucker.homelinux.org to anyone who applies. In other words, dyndns.org is in business to provide dsl and cable subscribers with routable domains that are automagically updated on the rare occasions when the cable/dsl companies renumber their IP subnets. Each domain under homelinux.org is a separate individual/company/whatever, so please keep that in mind when deciding on the reputation of "homelinux.org": you might as well ask the reputation of "com" or "net". Bill (Disclaimer: I'm one of dyndns.org's customers, but I have no stock or other interest in the firm.)
Re: [ot] Re: HTML-tests good or bad?
> On Aug 10, 2006, at 8:42 PM, jdow wrote:
>
> >I skipped step three.
> >{+_+}This will haunt me forever, right?
Not at all, we're not that kind of people.
Mind you, we have been known to have a _little_ fun now and then,
so if it's not too much trouble, would you please supply -
The name and address of your college English professor
The name, address, and phone number of your parents
The phone number for the local "Rent A Clown" service
Thanks in advance, and really, don't worry so much.
Bill
Re: 0451.com
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:29:36PM +0200, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: > * Tony Finch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > All-numeric domains are popular in China because they are easier for > > people to deal with than alphabetic domains. For example, 263.com is > > China's second-largest ISP. You can't just assume that an all-numeric > > domain is necessarily abusive, any more so than Yahoo or Fastmail. > > Is there any meaning to "263" in Chinese? It's either the average annual wage of a Wal-Mart supplier, or the number of years that Mao predicted it would take the Revolution to destroy the Great Satan[tm]. YMMV. William
