Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-22 Thread Nathanael Hoyle

Alex Pleiner wrote:

* Nathanael Hoyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-09-21 22:48]:


Look at other rbl's, consider some or all of:




abuse.rfc-ignorant.org
dsn.rfc-ignorant.org
list.dsbl.org
sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org
opm.blitzed.org



Please note that sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org includes opm.blitzed.org.
According to http://www.spamhaus.org/xbl/index.lasso

[quote]
The XBL wholly incorporates data from three highly-trusted DNSBL
sources:
- the CBL (Composite Block List) from cbl.abuseat.org
- the BOPM (Blitzed Open Proxy Monitor) from opm.blitzed.org
- the NJABL open proxy IPs list from www.njabl.org. 
[/quote]


Alex



Thanks Alex, you're right.  My intent was to post a list the OP might 
select from, where they might choose opm.blitzed.org but not 
neccessarily the sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org filter and so it was worth listing 
independently.  But for someone looking at adding all of them, you're 
correct in saying that blitzed is redundant to sbl-xbl.


-Nathanael


Re: Hotmail on sorbs?!?

2005-09-21 Thread Nathanael Hoyle

email builder wrote:

Complaint from a user led me to find this in our logfile:

Sep 21 09:07:07 gaia postfix/smtpd[6392]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
bay101-f11.bay101.hotmail.com[64.4.56.21]: 554 Service unavailable; Client
host [64.4.56.21] blocked using dnsbl.sorbs.net; Spam Received See:
http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?64.4.56.21; from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> proto=ESMTP helo=


A customer led me to the same block.  Unfortunately they were some very 
important emails and the customer was more than a little irate.


We are a semi-high volume site with plenty of people who expect to receive
hotmail mail, so this is REALLY BAD.  I cringe at the thought of making a MTA
top-level whitelist entry for all the hotmail IPs that I can find, or of
removing sorbs from our list of postfix RBLs.


We removed sorbs.  I don't think it's even open for debate at the current point. 
 If places like hotmail mx's end up on the blacklist you *will* have upset 
customers.


I also don't much care for the idea of using Sorbs only to tally points in
SA, since we get so much crap, we'd like to reject most of the obvious stuff
out of the gate - otherwise I envision our hard drives filling up twice as
fast with crap nobody wants anyway.

Look at other rbl's, consider some or all of:

abuse.rfc-ignorant.org
dsn.rfc-ignorant.org
list.dsbl.org
sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org
opm.blitzed.org



It sucks that microsoft can just do whatever they want since they have sooo
many users, but as this is the current state of our reality, I am interested
in what people are doing to deal with it as is.


Removed sorbs, no choice.


Is this causing anyone else problems?


Yep.


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