Re: I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Dianne Skoll]

On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:01:09 -0800
Marc Perkel  wrote:

> When I reveal it I can explain the basic concept in about 2
> paragraphs. The core idea is amazingly simple.

OK.  What you need to do next is stop talking about it. :) If you
disclose details, you risk ineligibility for patent protection,
depending on how much time elapses between disclosure and the patent
application.

Next up, you need to get a patent lawyer.  And plan on spending about
$20,000 to do everything you need to get a patent.  You need to have
someone do a patent search and offer an opinion as to patentability.
Then you need to pay the attorney fees, filing fees, etc.

Good luck!

Regards,

Dianne.

Re: I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Marc Perkel]

Actually the reason I filed the provisional patent is to start talking 
about it. As long as I file for a real patent in the next year I'm good.


On 01/14/16 03:49, Dianne Skoll wrote:

On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:01:09 -0800
Marc Perkel  wrote:


When I reveal it I can explain the basic concept in about 2
paragraphs. The core idea is amazingly simple.

OK.  What you need to do next is stop talking about it. :) If you
disclose details, you risk ineligibility for patent protection,
depending on how much time elapses between disclosure and the patent
application.

Next up, you need to get a patent lawyer.  And plan on spending about
$20,000 to do everything you need to get a patent.  You need to have
someone do a patent search and offer an opinion as to patentability.
Then you need to pay the attorney fees, filing fees, etc.

Good luck!

Regards,

Dianne.





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Re: I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Jeremy McSpadden]

I'd be willing to test it.

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On Jan 13, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Marc Perkel 
> wrote:

OK - this might sound a little unbelievable but I'm not making this up. I want 
to introduce this because I'm hoping to release this soon and I want to create 
some buzz and anticipation. I'm not going to talk about the details yet but I 
hope to soon.

I just filed a provisional method patent on the method and tomorrow I'm going 
to be talking to some investor types about it. I'm also working on improving 
the methods I'm using, but this new trick is so accurate that 1 month ago if 
someone asked me if this level of accuracy was possible, I would have said - no 
way!

I'm calling it the Evolution Filter. The name is somewhat of a clue to how it 
works.

I'm seeing levels of accuracy getting really close to 100%. And it's especially 
good at actively detecting good email so false positives are almost not 
existent.

I've been filtering spam now for 15 years and been on this list for about that 
long and I'm not the kind of guy to just make this stuff up.

My intent right now is to just get enough IP protection so I can get a license 
fee from the big corps. I plane on giving it away free to the little guys. So 
that if you have less that 10,000 email accounts it's free. Hoping to get like 
1 cent per email account per year from the big guys.

Although this idea is very unique, it's actually rather simple to implement. 
I'm using Redis and since SA is also using redis it should be trivial to add it 
to SA. My programming skills are good but not great. So the developers here 
should be able to do a significantly better job than me. It only took me an 
afternoon to implement the concept and it was already impressive with just 3 
hours of learning.

This is not Bayesian or remotely similar to Bayesian. It does use a DB like 
Bayesian does and there is learning involved. But it's probably 100x better at 
detecting spam and 1000x better at detecting good email.

My plan is that this technique is going to be so good that everyone is going to 
immediately implement it. And because of that the big boys will license it from 
me.

The accuracy is so good that it could put many spammers out of business. It can 
recognize spam more accurately that I can by hand looking at someone elses 
email.

If someone on this list wants to verify that I'm not just smoking the wrong 
kind of cigarettes I'm willing to let people test it on the condition that you 
report back here and tell everyone what your experience is.

If anyone has some feedback about how I can make this available to everyone and 
make a little something in licensing fees I'm definitely listening. I do want 
to release this to you all soon because you'll probably make it better than I 
have.

I have a little more info on Dvorak's blog.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2016/01/12/i-invented-a-new-way-to-filter-spam-thinking-about-a-patent/

--
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http://www.junkemailfilter.com
Junk Email Filter dot com
415-992-3400

Re: I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Jered Floyd]

Hi Marc,

I can't commit to providing a timely review of your idea (although I'm happy to 
keep any communication in confidence if you would like to share), but I think I 
can point out a very likely weakness that you should consider.

The biggest challenge with SA is that it is so widely deployed.  Spammers run 
it, there are probably even some who observe this list, and so they can work to 
optimize mail that passes any sort of content checking -- that's why 
trust-based metrics like SPF, DKIM, RBL, AWL, etc. end up being our best tools.

Not having yet published your idea or implementation, you have the benefit of 
not being a testing target.  Once your idea gains market share, it becomes a 
target. Spammers will tweak their mail and verify it gets past your filter 
mechanism.  Your effectiveness will rapidly decline.

Perhaps I'm wrong, though, and I wish you the best of luck!

Regards,
--Jered

- On Jan 13, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Marc Perkel supp...@junkemailfilter.com 
wrote:

> OK - this might sound a little unbelievable but I'm not making this up.
> I want to introduce this because I'm hoping to release this soon and I
> want to create some buzz and anticipation. I'm not going to talk about
> the details yet but I hope to soon.
> 
> I just filed a provisional method patent on the method and tomorrow I'm
> going to be talking to some investor types about it. I'm also working on
> improving the methods I'm using, but this new trick is so accurate that
> 1 month ago if someone asked me if this level of accuracy was possible,
> I would have said - no way!
> 
> I'm calling it the Evolution Filter. The name is somewhat of a clue to
> how it works.
> 
> I'm seeing levels of accuracy getting really close to 100%. And it's
> especially good at actively detecting good email so false positives are
> almost not existent.
> 
> I've been filtering spam now for 15 years and been on this list for
> about that long and I'm not the kind of guy to just make this stuff up.
> 
> My intent right now is to just get enough IP protection so I can get a
> license fee from the big corps. I plane on giving it away free to the
> little guys. So that if you have less that 10,000 email accounts it's
> free. Hoping to get like 1 cent per email account per year from the big
> guys.
> 
> Although this idea is very unique, it's actually rather simple to
> implement. I'm using Redis and since SA is also using redis it should be
> trivial to add it to SA. My programming skills are good but not great.
> So the developers here should be able to do a significantly better job
> than me. It only took me an afternoon to implement the concept and it
> was already impressive with just 3 hours of learning.
> 
> This is not Bayesian or remotely similar to Bayesian. It does use a DB
> like Bayesian does and there is learning involved. But it's probably
> 100x better at detecting spam and 1000x better at detecting good email.
> 
> My plan is that this technique is going to be so good that everyone is
> going to immediately implement it. And because of that the big boys will
> license it from me.
> 
> The accuracy is so good that it could put many spammers out of business.
> It can recognize spam more accurately that I can by hand looking at
> someone elses email.
> 
> If someone on this list wants to verify that I'm not just smoking the
> wrong kind of cigarettes I'm willing to let people test it on the
> condition that you report back here and tell everyone what your
> experience is.
> 
> If anyone has some feedback about how I can make this available to
> everyone and make a little something in licensing fees I'm definitely
> listening. I do want to release this to you all soon because you'll
> probably make it better than I have.
> 
> I have a little more info on Dvorak's blog.
> 
> http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2016/01/12/i-invented-a-new-way-to-filter-spam-thinking-about-a-patent/
> 
> --
> Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
> supp...@junkemailfilter.com
> http://www.junkemailfilter.com
> Junk Email Filter dot com
> 415-992-3400

Re: I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Marc Perkel]

Nope - that's not it.

When I reveal it I can explain the basic concept in about 2 paragraphs. 
The core idea is amazingly simple.


On 01/13/16 17:52, Dianne Skoll wrote:

Well...

You're light on details, but from the few clues you've given, is it
possible you've (re-)invented a genetic algorithm for spam classification?

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp==5982390=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5982390
http://teaching.csse.uwa.edu.au/year4/Current/Students/Files/2007/JamesDudley/CorrectedDissertation.pdf

There are quite a few research papers on this.

Anyway, I can't test out your method, but I'll sure keep an eye on
how things evolve. :)

Regards,

Dianne.





--
Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
supp...@junkemailfilter.com
http://www.junkemailfilter.com
Junk Email Filter dot com
415-992-3400

I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Marc Perkel]

OK - this might sound a little unbelievable but I'm not making this up. 
I want to introduce this because I'm hoping to release this soon and I 
want to create some buzz and anticipation. I'm not going to talk about 
the details yet but I hope to soon.


I just filed a provisional method patent on the method and tomorrow I'm 
going to be talking to some investor types about it. I'm also working on 
improving the methods I'm using, but this new trick is so accurate that 
1 month ago if someone asked me if this level of accuracy was possible, 
I would have said - no way!


I'm calling it the Evolution Filter. The name is somewhat of a clue to 
how it works.


I'm seeing levels of accuracy getting really close to 100%. And it's 
especially good at actively detecting good email so false positives are 
almost not existent.


I've been filtering spam now for 15 years and been on this list for 
about that long and I'm not the kind of guy to just make this stuff up.


My intent right now is to just get enough IP protection so I can get a 
license fee from the big corps. I plane on giving it away free to the 
little guys. So that if you have less that 10,000 email accounts it's 
free. Hoping to get like 1 cent per email account per year from the big 
guys.


Although this idea is very unique, it's actually rather simple to 
implement. I'm using Redis and since SA is also using redis it should be 
trivial to add it to SA. My programming skills are good but not great. 
So the developers here should be able to do a significantly better job 
than me. It only took me an afternoon to implement the concept and it 
was already impressive with just 3 hours of learning.


This is not Bayesian or remotely similar to Bayesian. It does use a DB 
like Bayesian does and there is learning involved. But it's probably 
100x better at detecting spam and 1000x better at detecting good email.


My plan is that this technique is going to be so good that everyone is 
going to immediately implement it. And because of that the big boys will 
license it from me.


The accuracy is so good that it could put many spammers out of business. 
It can recognize spam more accurately that I can by hand looking at 
someone elses email.


If someone on this list wants to verify that I'm not just smoking the 
wrong kind of cigarettes I'm willing to let people test it on the 
condition that you report back here and tell everyone what your 
experience is.


If anyone has some feedback about how I can make this available to 
everyone and make a little something in licensing fees I'm definitely 
listening. I do want to release this to you all soon because you'll 
probably make it better than I have.


I have a little more info on Dvorak's blog.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2016/01/12/i-invented-a-new-way-to-filter-spam-thinking-about-a-patent/

--
Marc Perkel - Sales/Support
supp...@junkemailfilter.com
http://www.junkemailfilter.com
Junk Email Filter dot com
415-992-3400

Re: I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[Dianne Skoll]

Well...

You're light on details, but from the few clues you've given, is it
possible you've (re-)invented a genetic algorithm for spam classification?

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp==5982390=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D5982390
http://teaching.csse.uwa.edu.au/year4/Current/Students/Files/2007/JamesDudley/CorrectedDissertation.pdf

There are quite a few research papers on this.

Anyway, I can't test out your method, but I'll sure keep an eye on
how things evolve. :)

Regards,

Dianne.

Re: I have developed a new method of blocking spam that's a game changer

[jdow]

Setup some accounts to receive LKML, Ubuntu, Fedora, and several other technical 
high volume mailing lists as well as normal email. Let us know how it works.


I'm reminded of a mantra of mine from some years back here, "One man's spam is 
another man's ham." You must also handle this phenomenon, too.


{^_^}

On 2016-01-13 17:11, Marc Perkel wrote:

OK - this might sound a little unbelievable but I'm not making this up. I want
to introduce this because I'm hoping to release this soon and I want to create
some buzz and anticipation. I'm not going to talk about the details yet but I
hope to soon.

I just filed a provisional method patent on the method and tomorrow I'm going to
be talking to some investor types about it. I'm also working on improving the
methods I'm using, but this new trick is so accurate that 1 month ago if someone
asked me if this level of accuracy was possible, I would have said - no way!

I'm calling it the Evolution Filter. The name is somewhat of a clue to how it
works.

I'm seeing levels of accuracy getting really close to 100%. And it's especially
good at actively detecting good email so false positives are almost not 
existent.

I've been filtering spam now for 15 years and been on this list for about that
long and I'm not the kind of guy to just make this stuff up.

My intent right now is to just get enough IP protection so I can get a license
fee from the big corps. I plane on giving it away free to the little guys. So
that if you have less that 10,000 email accounts it's free. Hoping to get like 1
cent per email account per year from the big guys.

Although this idea is very unique, it's actually rather simple to implement. I'm
using Redis and since SA is also using redis it should be trivial to add it to
SA. My programming skills are good but not great. So the developers here should
be able to do a significantly better job than me. It only took me an afternoon
to implement the concept and it was already impressive with just 3 hours of
learning.

This is not Bayesian or remotely similar to Bayesian. It does use a DB like
Bayesian does and there is learning involved. But it's probably 100x better at
detecting spam and 1000x better at detecting good email.

My plan is that this technique is going to be so good that everyone is going to
immediately implement it. And because of that the big boys will license it from 
me.

The accuracy is so good that it could put many spammers out of business. It can
recognize spam more accurately that I can by hand looking at someone elses 
email.

If someone on this list wants to verify that I'm not just smoking the wrong kind
of cigarettes I'm willing to let people test it on the condition that you report
back here and tell everyone what your experience is.

If anyone has some feedback about how I can make this available to everyone and
make a little something in licensing fees I'm definitely listening. I do want to
release this to you all soon because you'll probably make it better than I have.

I have a little more info on Dvorak's blog.

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2016/01/12/i-invented-a-new-way-to-filter-spam-thinking-about-a-patent/