RE: Help for beginner
How do I get cron to look at my cron scripts in cron.daily or hourly for that matter? I can execute the script manually (e.g. ./). I did a chmod 755 on the file. Do I need to do a 777? Thanks, Dale Cabell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:47 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Help for beginner On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: How do I tell if the version I have was installed using yum, Make, etc? You can probably figure out if it's a package or not. rpm -q spamassassin ? Where can I get a precompiled version? The tar file seems to be the only available download. There's no official compiled or packaged version. Different distros have it available, and there's probably others out there that have it. Is there a reason you don't make your own package? rpmbuild -tb Mail-SpamAssassin-... How do I tell where the functionality, which is now in additional plugins was previously? I need to make sure the configuration stays the same after upgrading. Read the UPGRADE doc, do testing before the install, etc. Generally speaking, the plugins work the same way as before, so just make sure that you have enabled the ones you want, and disable the ones you don't want. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the 'Microsoft approach to programming' and should never be allowed. - Linus Torvalds
Re: Help for beginner
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 01:31:48PM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: How do I get cron to look at my cron scripts in cron.daily or hourly for that matter? I can execute the script manually (e.g. ./). I did a chmod 755 on the file. Do I need to do a 777? By default, they're probably already setup. /etc/crontab usually points at them. In general, don't make files world writable unless you know you have to. FWIW, I would suggest reading up on system administration tasks in Linux. It would help with the types of issues you've been asking about, where this isn't really the right place to discuss them. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Oooh ... maca-ma-damia nuts. -- Homer Simpson Bart's Dog Gets an F pgphAj2OSno7l.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Help for beginner
Cron is running and it does not appear to execute the commands in the directories. Dale -Original Message- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:42 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Help for beginner On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 01:31:48PM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: How do I get cron to look at my cron scripts in cron.daily or hourly for that matter? I can execute the script manually (e.g. ./). I did a chmod 755 on the file. Do I need to do a 777? By default, they're probably already setup. /etc/crontab usually points at them. In general, don't make files world writable unless you know you have to. FWIW, I would suggest reading up on system administration tasks in Linux. It would help with the types of issues you've been asking about, where this isn't really the right place to discuss them. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Oooh ... maca-ma-damia nuts. -- Homer Simpson Bart's Dog Gets an F
RE: Help for beginner
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Cabell, Dale wrote: How do I get cron to look at my cron scripts in cron.daily or hourly for that matter? I can execute the script manually (e.g. ./). I did a chmod 755 on the file. Do I need to do a 777? The difference between 777 and 755 is that 777 would add the 2 bit (write access) for group members and others. Since you're not trying to write to the script, that won't help. Incidentally, I advise using the symbolic chmod notation until you know the octal stuff off the top of your head. To me, it's much easier to remember that chmod u=rwx,go=rx foo makes foo readable, writable, and executable by the user, and only readable and executable by group and other than it is to remember that 755 means the same thing. 755 does, however, have the advantage that it's quicker to type. Anyway, a mildly strange thing about Linux is that it turns out that the scripts in /etc/cron.daily aren't run by cron at all. Instead, they're run by a command called run-parts. All this command does is look in a directory, then run every script it finds there. This turns out to be handy for scheduling stuff with cron because your nightly maintenance crud can have just one cron entry, and then the jobs proceed in an orderly fashion, one after another. So, to get cron to run everything in /etc/cron.daily, you need to add something like this to the crontab (using crontab -e to make changes to root's crontab): 5 3 * * * run-parts /etc/cron.daily Hope that helps. - Logan
Re: Help for beginner
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Theo Van Dinter wrote: By default, they're probably already setup. /etc/crontab usually points at them. What's an /etc/crontab? I've never seen one of those before. In general, don't make files world writable unless you know you have to. Agreed. - Logan
RE: Help for beginner
For course there is no run-pats in the manual... Dale -Original Message- From: Cabell, Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:57 PM To: Logan Shaw; users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: Help for beginner Is this to run at 3:05am everyday? Also, run-parts is not running does it wake up somehow? Dale -Original Message- From: Logan Shaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:47 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: Help for beginner On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Cabell, Dale wrote: How do I get cron to look at my cron scripts in cron.daily or hourly for that matter? I can execute the script manually (e.g. ./). I did a chmod 755 on the file. Do I need to do a 777? The difference between 777 and 755 is that 777 would add the 2 bit (write access) for group members and others. Since you're not trying to write to the script, that won't help. Incidentally, I advise using the symbolic chmod notation until you know the octal stuff off the top of your head. To me, it's much easier to remember that chmod u=rwx,go=rx foo makes foo readable, writable, and executable by the user, and only readable and executable by group and other than it is to remember that 755 means the same thing. 755 does, however, have the advantage that it's quicker to type. Anyway, a mildly strange thing about Linux is that it turns out that the scripts in /etc/cron.daily aren't run by cron at all. Instead, they're run by a command called run-parts. All this command does is look in a directory, then run every script it finds there. This turns out to be handy for scheduling stuff with cron because your nightly maintenance crud can have just one cron entry, and then the jobs proceed in an orderly fashion, one after another. So, to get cron to run everything in /etc/cron.daily, you need to add something like this to the crontab (using crontab -e to make changes to root's crontab): 5 3 * * * run-parts /etc/cron.daily Hope that helps. - Logan
Re: Help for beginner
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Logan Shaw wrote: On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Theo Van Dinter wrote: By default, they're probably already setup. /etc/crontab usually points at them. What's an /etc/crontab? I've never seen one of those before. That's the global default crontab file (at least in some versions of cron). It does things like run the hourly, daily, weekly and monthly cron jobs via run-parts or a similar tool (at least in some versions of cron). If you don't have an /etc/crontab then your cron package may be improperly installed, or may have become damaged after installation. Does your cron package report missing files if you verify its integrity (however your package manager does that, e.g. rpm -V vixie-cron)? -- John Hardin KA7OHZICQ#15735746http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]FALaholic #11174pgpk -a [EMAIL PROTECTED] key: 0xB8732E79 - 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76 D822 E6E6 B873 2E79 --- Windows Genuine Advantage (WGA) means that now you use your computer at the sufferance of Microsoft Corporation. They can kill it remotely without your consent at any time for any reason. --
Re: Help for beginner
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, John D. Hardin wrote: On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Logan Shaw wrote: On Thu, 27 Jul 2006, Theo Van Dinter wrote: By default, they're probably already setup. /etc/crontab usually points at them. What's an /etc/crontab? I've never seen one of those before. That's the global default crontab file (at least in some versions of cron). It does things like run the hourly, daily, weekly and monthly cron jobs via run-parts or a similar tool (at least in some versions of cron). Wow, it actually exists?! I wrote what I did because I thought you had made a typo and meant to say root's crontab but wrote /etc/crontab instead even though /etc/crontab doesn't literally exist. Having said that, I'm confused about why /etc/crontab would exist in any version of cron. It seems more complicated to put root's crontab in a special place that's different than the pattern for every other user (where crontabs are stored somewhere under /var/spool/cron), and I don't see the benefit you'd get in exchange for that extra complication. (OK, end of thinly-veiled Linux rant...) - Logan
Re: Help for beginner
On Thu, Jul 27, 2006 at 05:06:01PM -0500, Logan Shaw wrote: Having said that, I'm confused about why /etc/crontab would exist in any version of cron. It seems more complicated to put root's crontab in a special place that's different than the pattern for every other user (where crontabs are stored somewhere under /var/spool/cron), and I don't see the benefit you'd get in exchange for that extra complication. Well, it's not root's crontab, so ... Regardless, this list isn't the best place to discuss systems administration or how to manage your machine. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: You ripped his arm off. Yeah ... He had a spare.- From the movie Action Jackson pgp5E3iiLBWcL.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Help for Beginner
Can anyone please recommend a group for a beginner that needs help with cron? Its still not working. It would be appreciated. Thanks, Dale Cabell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Kelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 4:03 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Problems after upgrade to 3.1.4 jdow wrote: The wording back then suggested you could write a META rule with components scored zero so that they would not report but the META would still work. If I read the runes a-right, that's still how META rules work. Create a rule like this: body __CONDITION_1 /something/ ...and don't assign it a score at all. It'll execute, the META rules which rely on it will process the result, no problem. HOWEVER, if you assign that rule a score of 0, as in: score __CONDITION_1 0 ...then the rule will be disabled, will not be processed, and any meta rule that relies on it will (a) throw this warning and (b) assume a value of false for that condition. -- Kelson Vibber SpeedGate Communications www.speed.net
Re: Help for beginner
Craig White wrote: On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 16:02 -0600, Nels Lindquist wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 at 14:17, Craig White wrote: snip http://www.mailscanner.info/linux.html This is the information page for installing MailScanner on RPM based Linux system. If you read this, you will see that even though you are using an rpm based system, you download a tarball package, 'un-tar' the tarball and then start the installation process via 'install.sh' command. This actually ends up installing MailScanner and all requisite perl packages via RPM. Please read this guide. I seem to be missing the part where the original poster mentioned he was using or wanted to use Mailscanner. Was that in a different thread, perhaps? I vaguely remember it now, I've deleted the thread now. At no stage did the OP mention MailScanner. His original post said: I need to upgrade from 3.06 to 3.1.3. Those version numbers combined with the fact that this is the SA list led me to belive he was refering to SA. -- Anthony Peacock CHIME, Royal Free University College Medical School WWW:http://www.chime.ucl.ac.uk/~rmhiajp/ If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. -- George Bernard Shaw
Re: Help for beginner
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: How do I tell if the version I have was installed using yum, Make, etc? You can probably figure out if it's a package or not. rpm -q spamassassin ? Where can I get a precompiled version? The tar file seems to be the only available download. There's no official compiled or packaged version. Different distros have it available, and there's probably others out there that have it. Is there a reason you don't make your own package? rpmbuild -tb Mail-SpamAssassin-... How do I tell where the functionality, which is now in additional plugins was previously? I need to make sure the configuration stays the same after upgrading. Read the UPGRADE doc, do testing before the install, etc. Generally speaking, the plugins work the same way as before, so just make sure that you have enabled the ones you want, and disable the ones you don't want. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the 'Microsoft approach to programming' and should never be allowed. - Linus Torvalds pgpk0gnphDmCL.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Help for beginner
-Original Message- From: Cabell, Dale Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:54 AM To: 'Theo Van Dinter' Subject: RE: Help for beginner Where do I put the tar? After I untar it, where do I execute the rpmbuild from? Thanks, Dale Cabell -Original Message- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:47 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Help for beginner On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: How do I tell if the version I have was installed using yum, Make, etc? You can probably figure out if it's a package or not. rpm -q spamassassin ? Where can I get a precompiled version? The tar file seems to be the only available download. There's no official compiled or packaged version. Different distros have it available, and there's probably others out there that have it. Is there a reason you don't make your own package? rpmbuild -tb Mail-SpamAssassin-... How do I tell where the functionality, which is now in additional plugins was previously? I need to make sure the configuration stays the same after upgrading. Read the UPGRADE doc, do testing before the install, etc. Generally speaking, the plugins work the same way as before, so just make sure that you have enabled the ones you want, and disable the ones you don't want. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Hoping the problem magically goes away by ignoring it is the 'Microsoft approach to programming' and should never be allowed. - Linus Torvalds
Re: Help for beginner
FWIW, Dale's been mailing me privately where I've been answering, but just for everyone's info: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:04:18AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: Where do I put the tar? After I untar it, where do I execute the rpmbuild from? rpmbuild -tb says to build a binary RPM from a tarball. So: rpmbuild -tb Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.3.tar.gz will build the RPMs from the named tarball. Depending on your environment, you may need to be root and the packages may appear under /usr/src/redhat. The download page also mentions the '--define srcext .bz2' option which you need if you download the bz2 tarball instead of the gz one. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: He's cut so many fish that he can't even go to the beach for fear of retribution. - Alton Brown, Good Eats, Hook, Line Dinner pgpd5tWybnoEl.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: Help for beginner
It shows it was installed as a package, but I can't find the rpmbuild command. Dale Cabell -Original Message- From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 11:17 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Help for beginner FWIW, Dale's been mailing me privately where I've been answering, but just for everyone's info: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:04:18AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: Where do I put the tar? After I untar it, where do I execute the rpmbuild from? rpmbuild -tb says to build a binary RPM from a tarball. So: rpmbuild -tb Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.3.tar.gz will build the RPMs from the named tarball. Depending on your environment, you may need to be root and the packages may appear under /usr/src/redhat. The download page also mentions the '--define srcext .bz2' option which you need if you download the bz2 tarball instead of the gz one. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: He's cut so many fish that he can't even go to the beach for fear of retribution. - Alton Brown, Good Eats, Hook, Line Dinner
Re: Help for beginner
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:22:54AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: It shows it was installed as a package, but I can't find the rpmbuild command. As stated in a previous (private) email, all of this package stuff depends on your platform. For me, on Fedora Core 4, rpmbuild is part of the rpm-build package. If you don't have the executable, you may need to install the correct package. (warning: you may need to install other development-related packages as well) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: I'm outta sick days; I think I'll call in dead. pgpVLmJ7VZM6M.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help for beginner
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 14:16 -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: FWIW, Dale's been mailing me privately where I've been answering, but just for everyone's info: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:04:18AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: Where do I put the tar? After I untar it, where do I execute the rpmbuild from? rpmbuild -tb says to build a binary RPM from a tarball. So: rpmbuild -tb Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.3.tar.gz will build the RPMs from the named tarball. Depending on your environment, you may need to be root and the packages may appear under /usr/src/redhat. The download page also mentions the '--define srcext .bz2' option which you need if you download the bz2 tarball instead of the gz one. given the methodology that MailScanner uses, I don't think that I would do that (compile an rpm from a tarball). Unless you know something that I don't know that is. The MailScanner download for rpm based system is indeed a tarball which you have to extract and then run the 'install.sh' script which is a perl program which actually builds a lot of requisite perl packages and finally mailscanner itself into rpm files and installs the rpm's (or not if you already have newer versions of the rpm's installed already). It's a sophisticated, comprehensive approach to installing a whole lot of stuff and doing it the way the system is configured (via rpm). Craig
RE: Help for beginner
Hi - let's keep this on list OK? answer at bottom On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 13:19 -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: I am confused. Are you recommending that I not use RPM with the tarball and instead untar and use the script? Please let me know. Thanks, Dale Cabell -Original Message- From: Craig White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 12:00 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Help for beginner On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 14:16 -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: FWIW, Dale's been mailing me privately where I've been answering, but just for everyone's info: On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:04:18AM -0700, Cabell, Dale wrote: Where do I put the tar? After I untar it, where do I execute the rpmbuild from? rpmbuild -tb says to build a binary RPM from a tarball. So: rpmbuild -tb Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.3.tar.gz will build the RPMs from the named tarball. Depending on your environment, you may need to be root and the packages may appear under /usr/src/redhat. The download page also mentions the '--define srcext .bz2' option which you need if you download the bz2 tarball instead of the gz one. given the methodology that MailScanner uses, I don't think that I would do that (compile an rpm from a tarball). Unless you know something that I don't know that is. The MailScanner download for rpm based system is indeed a tarball which you have to extract and then run the 'install.sh' script which is a perl program which actually builds a lot of requisite perl packages and finally mailscanner itself into rpm files and installs the rpm's (or not if you already have newer versions of the rpm's installed already). It's a sophisticated, comprehensive approach to installing a whole lot of stuff and doing it the way the system is configured (via rpm). http://www.mailscanner.info/linux.html This is the information page for installing MailScanner on RPM based Linux system. If you read this, you will see that even though you are using an rpm based system, you download a tarball package, 'un-tar' the tarball and then start the installation process via 'install.sh' command. This actually ends up installing MailScanner and all requisite perl packages via RPM. Please read this guide. Craig
RE: Help for beginner
On 25 Jul 2006 at 14:17, Craig White wrote: snip http://www.mailscanner.info/linux.html This is the information page for installing MailScanner on RPM based Linux system. If you read this, you will see that even though you are using an rpm based system, you download a tarball package, 'un-tar' the tarball and then start the installation process via 'install.sh' command. This actually ends up installing MailScanner and all requisite perl packages via RPM. Please read this guide. I seem to be missing the part where the original poster mentioned he was using or wanted to use Mailscanner. Was that in a different thread, perhaps? Nels Lindquist * Information Systems Manager Morningstar Air Express Inc.
RE: Help for beginner
On Tue, 2006-07-25 at 16:02 -0600, Nels Lindquist wrote: On 25 Jul 2006 at 14:17, Craig White wrote: snip http://www.mailscanner.info/linux.html This is the information page for installing MailScanner on RPM based Linux system. If you read this, you will see that even though you are using an rpm based system, you download a tarball package, 'un-tar' the tarball and then start the installation process via 'install.sh' command. This actually ends up installing MailScanner and all requisite perl packages via RPM. Please read this guide. I seem to be missing the part where the original poster mentioned he was using or wanted to use Mailscanner. Was that in a different thread, perhaps? I vaguely remember it now, I've deleted the thread now. Craig
