Re: Seeking dhl.com ham samples

2022-08-05 Thread hamann . w



Hi Bill,hope that helps 

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Wolfgang

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Re: Seeking dhl.com ham samples

2022-08-03 Thread Bill Cole

On 2022-08-03 at 18:24:31 UTC-0400 (Wed, 3 Aug 2022 18:24:31 -0400)
Rob McEwen 
is rumored to have said:


I provided a ham sample off-list.


Indeed; thank you.

We determined that this was an interaction between local resolver config 
and (probably) Net::DNS or a sub-module. Setting BIND EDNS options fixed 
it.


Also, I've recently encountered a similar issues with DHL - for 
example - them, several weeks ago, using an alterate domain in the 
mail header FROM-address - that didn't actually have ANY DNS records - 
crazy stuff like that - although I think that they've since stopped 
using that particular domain name?

--Rob McEwen

On 8/2/2022 10:50 AM, Bill Cole wrote:
Bug 8021 reports breakage in SPF checking for dhl.com mail, due to an 
inability to resolve the  SPF TXT record for dhl.com. That breakage 
is essentially due to DHL having far too many TXT records (some are 
clearly stale) and having a SPF record which is right at the limit of 
complexity, having 10 'include' directives at the top level.


If anyone has samples of real legitimate mail from a dhl.com address, 
please share. I'm seeking a way to reproduce the reported bug, which 
strikes me as too stupid to be real; we SHOULD have noticed long 
before now if SPF lookups were not handling UDP truncation of 
replies.




--
Rob McEwen, invaluement



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Re: Seeking dhl.com ham samples

2022-08-03 Thread Rob McEwen
I provided a ham sample off-list. Also, I've recently encountered a 
similar issues with DHL - for example - them, several weeks ago, using 
an alterate domain in the mail header FROM-address - that didn't 
actually have ANY DNS records - crazy stuff like that - although I think 
that they've since stopped using that particular domain name?

--Rob McEwen

On 8/2/2022 10:50 AM, Bill Cole wrote:
Bug 8021 reports breakage in SPF checking for dhl.com mail, due to an 
inability to resolve the  SPF TXT record for dhl.com. That breakage is 
essentially due to DHL having far too many TXT records (some are 
clearly stale) and having a SPF record which is right at the limit of 
complexity, having 10 'include' directives at the top level.


If anyone has samples of real legitimate mail from a dhl.com address, 
please share. I'm seeking a way to reproduce the reported bug, which 
strikes me as too stupid to be real; we SHOULD have noticed long 
before now if SPF lookups were not handling UDP truncation of replies.




--
Rob McEwen, invaluement



Re: Seeking dhl.com ham samples

2022-08-02 Thread Kris Deugau

Bill Cole wrote:
Bug 8021 reports breakage in SPF checking for dhl.com mail, due to an 
inability to resolve the  SPF TXT record for dhl.com. That breakage is 
essentially due to DHL having far too many TXT records (some are clearly 
stale) and having a SPF record which is right at the limit of 
complexity, having 10 'include' directives at the top level.


If anyone has samples of real legitimate mail from a dhl.com address, 
please share. I'm seeking a way to reproduce the reported bug, which 
strikes me as too stupid to be real; we SHOULD have noticed long before 
now if SPF lookups were not handling UDP truncation of replies.


The newest one I have on file (headers below, should be enough to test 
SPF) is a bit old;  Feb 2021.  I just rechecked and the complete 
original passed both SPF and DKIM without complaint on SA 3.4.6 on 
Debian 10.



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-kgd


Seeking dhl.com ham samples

2022-08-02 Thread Bill Cole
Bug 8021 reports breakage in SPF checking for dhl.com mail, due to an 
inability to resolve the  SPF TXT record for dhl.com. That breakage is 
essentially due to DHL having far too many TXT records (some are clearly 
stale) and having a SPF record which is right at the limit of 
complexity, having 10 'include' directives at the top level.


If anyone has samples of real legitimate mail from a dhl.com address, 
please share. I'm seeking a way to reproduce the reported bug, which 
strikes me as too stupid to be real; we SHOULD have noticed long before 
now if SPF lookups were not handling UDP truncation of replies.


--
Bill Cole
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(AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses)
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