Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-13 Thread Elin

I started  with tapestry 5.1.2 some months ago thanks to a book called
Tapestry 5 from Alexander Kolesnikov. It was a bit hard to understand
how to create sites with this framework and yes, i also noticed the lack of
documentation but with each new release it went better. Each time i had a
problem i just came to this board and it was solved very fast, the
documentation has increased by a lot on the last months and its going better
and better very fast. A Tapestry in Action book is on the way too and i
think this framework is great.

I near left tapestry because of that kind of comments on some forums but
finally i decided not to and im very happy with my decision. Im starting to
understand a lot of new things and the way Tapestry+Hibernate work is just
great. Its very easy to create new modules and componentes even if they need
new Hibernate Entities, add this component to your maven dependencies and
its working and the new entities created and managed by Hibernate without
aditional configuration making extensibility easier and fast. 

I think tapestry, with a bit more documentation will be a great framework
and will make things easier and faster. Its hard to start? Yes... and i will
try to help with simple tutorials from my own experiences since i was a
totally newbie some months ago, but i think think in a short time, we will
get our reward. We just need to show the people how easy it is and the
potential it has.   
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Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-13 Thread Joel Halbert
Yes, it's a pity that someone might be put off using the framework
because of vocal, and misinformed minority. 

There's really no substitute for trying something yourself...

On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 09:50 -0200, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote:
 On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:53:41 -0200, George Banus georgeba...@gmail.com  
 wrote:
 
  Hi Guys,
 
 Hi!
 
  So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in  
  learning Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now,  
  though I might
  change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and
  consistencies in Tapestry releases.
 
 Please check the stability and consistency of all releases since Tapestry  
 5.1, the first T5 stable release.
 And don't believe everything you read on in the Internet. ;)
 



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Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-12 Thread George Banus
Hi Guys,

I gave up on Tapestry. This was based on the overwhelmingly negative
comments I've been reading about Tapestry on the Internet. Outside of this
forum, I see no positive message about Tapestry anywhere. And that makes me
very suspicious about the viability of this framework, besides all the nice
and charming messages I have heard from you guys in this thread.
So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in learning
Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now, though I might
change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and
consistencies in Tapestry releases.

Again, sorry for this news :-(

Bye,
George

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:48 AM, George Banus georgeba...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I am a newbie to Tapestry and while googling to learn more about tapestry,
 I found this discussion going on at
 http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=61537. Some of the
 comments look very disappointing.
 Is Tapestry really used for serious projects?

 George



Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-12 Thread Gunnar Eketrapp
George that's your problem not ours ..

And the title verdict indicates that you have som legal authority ...

I think we T5:ers have a competitive advantage and really see no need for
spreading the light ... :-)

T5 - Code less - Deliver more

One could add Gossip less and shut down TSS

Gunnar Eketrapp


2011/1/12 George Banus georgeba...@gmail.com

 Hi Guys,

 I gave up on Tapestry. This was based on the overwhelmingly negative
 comments I've been reading about Tapestry on the Internet. Outside of this
 forum, I see no positive message about Tapestry anywhere. And that makes me
 very suspicious about the viability of this framework, besides all the nice
 and charming messages I have heard from you guys in this thread.
 So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in learning
 Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now, though I might
 change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and
 consistencies in Tapestry releases.

 Again, sorry for this news :-(

 Bye,
 George

 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:48 AM, George Banus georgeba...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I am a newbie to Tapestry and while googling to learn more about
 tapestry,
  I found this discussion going on at
  http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=61537. Some of
 the
  comments look very disappointing.
  Is Tapestry really used for serious projects?
 
  George
 




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Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-12 Thread Sven Homburg
George, we wish you a nice journey

with regards
Sven Homburg
Founder of the Chenille Kit Project
http://chenillekit.codehaus.org





2011/1/12 George Banus georgeba...@gmail.com:
 Hi Guys,

 I gave up on Tapestry. This was based on the overwhelmingly negative
 comments I've been reading about Tapestry on the Internet. Outside of this
 forum, I see no positive message about Tapestry anywhere. And that makes me
 very suspicious about the viability of this framework, besides all the nice
 and charming messages I have heard from you guys in this thread.
 So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in learning
 Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now, though I might
 change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and
 consistencies in Tapestry releases.

 Again, sorry for this news :-(

 Bye,
 George

 On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:48 AM, George Banus georgeba...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I am a newbie to Tapestry and while googling to learn more about tapestry,
 I found this discussion going on at
 http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=61537. Some of the
 comments look very disappointing.
 Is Tapestry really used for serious projects?

 George



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Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-12 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:53:41 -0200, George Banus georgeba...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Hi Guys,


Hi!

So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in  
learning Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now,  
though I might

change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and
consistencies in Tapestry releases.


Please check the stability and consistency of all releases since Tapestry  
5.1, the first T5 stable release.

And don't believe everything you read on in the Internet. ;)

--
Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,  
and instructor

Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
http://www.arsmachina.com.br

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Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-12 Thread Igor Drobiazko
Thiago, don't waste your time. Most probably the guy is yet another troll.
He wrote 2 messages to the list: both about the TSS thread.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo 
thiag...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:53:41 -0200, George Banus georgeba...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Guys,


 Hi!


  So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in learning
 Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now, though I might
 change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and
 consistencies in Tapestry releases.


 Please check the stability and consistency of all releases since Tapestry
 5.1, the first T5 stable release.
 And don't believe everything you read on in the Internet. ;)

 --
 Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
 Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
 and instructor
 Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
 http://www.arsmachina.com.br


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Re: Discussion- the verdict

2011-01-12 Thread Taha Hafeez
Hi Igor

We should answer these threads as these threads come up in search engines
when some newbie is searching tapestry related information.
It is threads like these which prevented me from considering Tapestry in my
projects for so long.

regards
Taha



On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Igor Drobiazko igor.drobia...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thiago, don't waste your time. Most probably the guy is yet another troll.
 He wrote 2 messages to the list: both about the TSS thread.

 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo 
 thiag...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:53:41 -0200, George Banus georgeba...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi Guys,
 
 
  Hi!
 
 
   So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in
 learning
  Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now, though I might
  change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and
  consistencies in Tapestry releases.
 
 
  Please check the stability and consistency of all releases since Tapestry
  5.1, the first T5 stable release.
  And don't believe everything you read on in the Internet. ;)
 
  --
  Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
  Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer,
  and instructor
  Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Ltda.
  http://www.arsmachina.com.br
 
 
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