Re: T5 Server Side Scripting for CSS

2007-09-03 Thread Davor Hrg
Hi,
here are some of my thoughts,

For me, most of the times skinning application means changing css and few
images,
and the approach you are mentioning worked for me...

you should definitely cache you css (force browser to cache it), or else
it's same as if you inline it, even worse (extra http request).

However, in this case I suggest you increment and record version for your
css,
then modify your code to include version number in the css url. This way
you'll
have both caching and immediate refresh of your css.

Davor Hrg


On 8/29/07, Daniel Jue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [Background: I am beginning to abstract/distill my current application
 into
 something more general, where the GUI can be customized through an
 administrative interface without the admins having to touch GUI related
 code.]

 There was a post a while back regarding OGNL parsing of assets like CSS.
 This is along the same line, but with the parsing/generation done in Java
 code and only done once in a while.  The resulting textual data
 representing
 the CSS would be persisted in an ASO or static.

 I have been thinking about an approach to the issue of CSS not supporting
 constants, which could be useful for things like colors, background
 images,
 user-driven style changes, etc.

 On this page
 http://icant.co.uk/articles/cssconstants/
 the author notes SSI and server side scripting using languages like php,
 jsp, etc.  I'd prefer to have the variables for my CSS be set and
 manipulated inside my Java code, which can possibly be changed on the fly.
 (Though if the browser is able to cache the CSS file, changes may not be
 picked up immediately if the header does not expire)

 Are there real benefits for my application server (i.e. Tomcat) to serve a
 concrete file, versus pulling a pre-baked one straight from RAM?

 Is there a way to fake the response for a CSS file request, so that the
 CSS
 comes from something like a Stream instead of an actual file?
 (So the browser wouldn't know the difference, and would cache it, etc)

 Of course we wouldn't want to inline all the css text, because I expect a
 couple hundred lines at least (My current optimized CSS has about 4000
 lines
 across a few files)

 I guess this is a larger version of whatever issues we would have with the
 rounded corner service in T4, which is said to handle caching issues
 automagically.


 http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry4.1/developmentguide/hivemind/roundedcorners.html



T5 Server Side Scripting for CSS

2007-08-29 Thread Daniel Jue
[Background: I am beginning to abstract/distill my current application into
something more general, where the GUI can be customized through an
administrative interface without the admins having to touch GUI related
code.]

There was a post a while back regarding OGNL parsing of assets like CSS.
This is along the same line, but with the parsing/generation done in Java
code and only done once in a while.  The resulting textual data representing
the CSS would be persisted in an ASO or static.

I have been thinking about an approach to the issue of CSS not supporting
constants, which could be useful for things like colors, background images,
user-driven style changes, etc.

On this page
http://icant.co.uk/articles/cssconstants/
the author notes SSI and server side scripting using languages like php,
jsp, etc.  I'd prefer to have the variables for my CSS be set and
manipulated inside my Java code, which can possibly be changed on the fly.
(Though if the browser is able to cache the CSS file, changes may not be
picked up immediately if the header does not expire)

Are there real benefits for my application server (i.e. Tomcat) to serve a
concrete file, versus pulling a pre-baked one straight from RAM?

Is there a way to fake the response for a CSS file request, so that the CSS
comes from something like a Stream instead of an actual file?
(So the browser wouldn't know the difference, and would cache it, etc)

Of course we wouldn't want to inline all the css text, because I expect a
couple hundred lines at least (My current optimized CSS has about 4000 lines
across a few files)

I guess this is a larger version of whatever issues we would have with the
rounded corner service in T4, which is said to handle caching issues
automagically.

http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry4.1/developmentguide/hivemind/roundedcorners.html