Re: Tapestry Spring Documentation Incomplete
Yes I can take your point. What caught me out was following the link from the wiki HowTo - I didn't even realise I was in part of the documentation for the spring module - anyway, its nice to see that the mailing list is so active, I'm looking forward to upgrading to Tapestry5. Howard Lewis Ship wrote: It's a question of what's is assumed vs. what is understood. We can't be in the business of recapitulating all the Maven theory every time we talk about a dependency. Anyone whose used Maven will understand that each module, and from the project layout tapestry-spring is clearly its own module, is an additional dependency. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm saying that if this is important to you, you need to add a JIRA issue so the work can be prioritized. And a patch would help! One of the nice things in 5.0.12-SNAPSHOT is that the exception report inlcudes all the JVM system properties, including the classpath, which makes it easier to understand what's going on with many conflicts or missing modules. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:59 AM, David Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Unfortunately, the documentation doesn't state that it **is** a separate module - which is precisely my point. Spring is so ubiquitous now that it would not be a wild assumption that Tapestry would come with Spring support out of the box. I think its reasonable enough to have Spring as a 'second' option to Tapestry IOC, if that is Howard's preference, but my point is the documentation (I followed the 'snippets' link on the HowTo on the wiki) emphasises just how little effort it takes to incorporate Spring - unfortunately it misses out some vital information i.e. "This bit of code has dependencies" - it would not harm the document to put the dependency markup right at the top. David. SergeEby wrote: Hi, It seems obvious to me that you need to add any self-contained module such as tapestry-spring, tapestry-hibernate or tapestry-upload to your application only if you use it. /Serge TapestryBeast wrote: Hi, Just to say that I think the documentation here: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-spring/ needs updating. Nowhere does it state that a dependency on tapestry-spring is needed in pom.xml as such: org.apache.tapestry tapestry-spring ${tapestry-release-version} I know this might seem obvious, but I for one assumed that this would come with the Tapestry-core dependency files. This cost me 3 hours with Tomcat "startup failed due to previous errors" errors whenever spring was added to web.xml until I remembered to look in the full tomcat log to find out what the problem was. Perhaps the same sort of update is also needed for the file upload page on the Tapestry web site as well. Its probably difficult to decided what to do when half of users are still downloading the full gzip file and the other half are doing this stuff using Maven but I think this is definitely something worth adding. David. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry Spring Documentation Incomplete
It's a question of what's is assumed vs. what is understood. We can't be in the business of recapitulating all the Maven theory every time we talk about a dependency. Anyone whose used Maven will understand that each module, and from the project layout tapestry-spring is clearly its own module, is an additional dependency. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm saying that if this is important to you, you need to add a JIRA issue so the work can be prioritized. And a patch would help! One of the nice things in 5.0.12-SNAPSHOT is that the exception report inlcudes all the JVM system properties, including the classpath, which makes it easier to understand what's going on with many conflicts or missing modules. On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 8:59 AM, David Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Unfortunately, the documentation doesn't state that it **is** a separate > module - which is precisely my point. Spring is so ubiquitous now that it > would not be a wild assumption that Tapestry would come with Spring support > out of the box. I think its reasonable enough to have Spring as a 'second' > option to Tapestry IOC, if that is Howard's preference, but my point is > the documentation (I followed the 'snippets' link on the HowTo on the wiki) > emphasises just how little effort it takes to incorporate Spring - > unfortunately it misses out some vital information i.e. "This bit of code > has dependencies" - it would not harm the document to put the dependency > markup right at the top. > > David. > > > > SergeEby wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> It seems obvious to me that you need to add any self-contained module such >> as tapestry-spring, tapestry-hibernate or tapestry-upload to your >> application only if you use it. >> >> /Serge >> >> >> TapestryBeast wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just to say that I think the documentation here: >>> >>> http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-spring/ >>> >>> needs updating. >>> >>> >>> Nowhere does it state that a dependency on tapestry-spring is needed in >>> pom.xml as such: >>> >>> >>>org.apache.tapestry >>>tapestry-spring >>>${tapestry-release-version} >>> >>> >>> I know this might seem obvious, but I for one assumed that this would >>> come with the Tapestry-core dependency files. >>> This cost me 3 hours with Tomcat "startup failed due to previous errors" >>> errors whenever spring was added to web.xml until I remembered to look in >>> the full tomcat log to find out what the problem was. >>> >>> Perhaps the same sort of update is also needed for the file upload page >>> on the Tapestry web site as well. >>> >>> Its probably difficult to decided what to do when half of users are still >>> downloading the full gzip file and the other half are doing this stuff using >>> Maven but I think this is definitely something worth adding. >>> >>> >>> David. >>> >>> >>> - >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- Howard M. Lewis Ship Creator Apache Tapestry and Apache HiveMind - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry Spring Documentation Incomplete
Hi, Unfortunately, the documentation doesn't state that it **is** a separate module - which is precisely my point. Spring is so ubiquitous now that it would not be a wild assumption that Tapestry would come with Spring support out of the box. I think its reasonable enough to have Spring as a 'second' option to Tapestry IOC, if that is Howard's preference, but my point is the documentation (I followed the 'snippets' link on the HowTo on the wiki) emphasises just how little effort it takes to incorporate Spring - unfortunately it misses out some vital information i.e. "This bit of code has dependencies" - it would not harm the document to put the dependency markup right at the top. David. SergeEby wrote: Hi, It seems obvious to me that you need to add any self-contained module such as tapestry-spring, tapestry-hibernate or tapestry-upload to your application only if you use it. /Serge TapestryBeast wrote: Hi, Just to say that I think the documentation here: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-spring/ needs updating. Nowhere does it state that a dependency on tapestry-spring is needed in pom.xml as such: org.apache.tapestry tapestry-spring ${tapestry-release-version} I know this might seem obvious, but I for one assumed that this would come with the Tapestry-core dependency files. This cost me 3 hours with Tomcat "startup failed due to previous errors" errors whenever spring was added to web.xml until I remembered to look in the full tomcat log to find out what the problem was. Perhaps the same sort of update is also needed for the file upload page on the Tapestry web site as well. Its probably difficult to decided what to do when half of users are still downloading the full gzip file and the other half are doing this stuff using Maven but I think this is definitely something worth adding. David. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tapestry Spring Documentation Incomplete
Hi, It seems obvious to me that you need to add any self-contained module such as tapestry-spring, tapestry-hibernate or tapestry-upload to your application only if you use it. /Serge TapestryBeast wrote: > > Hi, > > Just to say that I think the documentation here: > > http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-spring/ > > needs updating. > > > Nowhere does it state that a dependency on tapestry-spring is needed in > pom.xml as such: > > > org.apache.tapestry > tapestry-spring > ${tapestry-release-version} > > > I know this might seem obvious, but I for one assumed that this would > come with the Tapestry-core dependency files. > This cost me 3 hours with Tomcat "startup failed due to previous errors" > errors whenever spring was added to web.xml until I remembered to look > in the full tomcat log to find out what the problem was. > > Perhaps the same sort of update is also needed for the file upload page > on the Tapestry web site as well. > > Its probably difficult to decided what to do when half of users are > still downloading the full gzip file and the other half are doing this > stuff using Maven but I think this is definitely something worth adding. > > > David. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tapestry-Spring-Documentation-Incomplete-tp17422069p17424715.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tapestry Spring Documentation Incomplete
Hi, Just to say that I think the documentation here: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5/tapestry-spring/ needs updating. Nowhere does it state that a dependency on tapestry-spring is needed in pom.xml as such: org.apache.tapestry tapestry-spring ${tapestry-release-version} I know this might seem obvious, but I for one assumed that this would come with the Tapestry-core dependency files. This cost me 3 hours with Tomcat "startup failed due to previous errors" errors whenever spring was added to web.xml until I remembered to look in the full tomcat log to find out what the problem was. Perhaps the same sort of update is also needed for the file upload page on the Tapestry web site as well. Its probably difficult to decided what to do when half of users are still downloading the full gzip file and the other half are doing this stuff using Maven but I think this is definitely something worth adding. David. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]