Re: Comet and multipart

2011-01-04 Thread sol myr
Filip, thanks for your reply.
You are correct that the server simply writes data, which we can format any way 
we like.
However, we were wondering whether Tomcat has any utilities/configurations to 
make it easier. E.g:

1) If we use multipart format (to separate between messages), does 
Tomcat/Apache have utilities to make it easier? Or should we hand-code the 
appropriate headers, separators, etc?

2) If we rely on Content-length: (to tell when one message ends and another 
begins), this header is usually automatically managed by Tomcat, so we'd have 
to ask Tomcat to manage it differently (otherwise, it might calculate one 
content-length for all messages put together, or it might omit it altogether 
and use chunked instead - which is also be an option, but then how do we tell 
tomcat to have a chunk per message).

Thanks again

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Filip Hanik - Dev Lists devli...@hanik.com wrote:

From: Filip Hanik - Dev Lists devli...@hanik.com
Subject: Re: Comet and multipart
To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 8:47 AM

On 1/3/2011 7:48 AM, sol myr wrote:
 Hi,

 We're implementing a CometServlet on top of Tomcat NIO connector, using long 
 polling.
 Currently we're using the approach recommended by most tutorials: the client 
 opens a connection and waits for a message (for a configured timeout); if 
 such a message arrives, the client consumes it (e.g. presents it on screen), 
 then *closes* the http connection, and opens a new connection (to wait for 
 the next message).

 Unfortunately, we have a network performance problem with opening and closing 
 connections (our 3rd party proxy is good at keeping connections alive, but is 
 slow in negotiating new connections).

 So we'd like to keep the HTTP connection alive, and pass multiple messages on 
 the same connection. We were hoping to tell the messages apart based on 
 multipart format, or some other separator, or content length.

 Could anyone please tell whether that's supported on the TomcatServlet side?

yes, it is supported, as long as your client knows how to do it. On the 
server/servlet side, all you do is read the input stream byte by byte
you can create any type of protocol rules inside the HTTP message that it sends 
up
best
Filip




  

Re: Handling Comet Timeouts with CometProcessor

2011-01-04 Thread Mark Thomas
On 03/01/2011 21:54, Joe Biron wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I've been making great progress with CometProcessor on Tomcat 6.0.29.
 I have a question about handling timeouts (and I did review this
 thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/users@tomcat.apache.org/msg55616.html).
 
 I want my clients to connect and stay connected for a very long time,
 but I do need to have my server time the connections out periodically.
 
 When I request.setAttribute(org.apache.tomcat.comet.timeout,
 timeout), I do indeed receive a CometEvent.EventType.ERROR, but I can
 find no way to gracefully tell the client that everything is OK and I
 just want them to back off for a while then reconnect.
 
 When I do this:
 
 ...
 response.sendError(HttpServletResponse.SC_REQUEST_TIMEOUT, Timed out.
 Please reconnect);
 response.flushBuffer();
 event.close();
 ...
 
 the client does not receive the response. They only sense an
 unceremonious connection close - which, if through routers, may take
 quite some time to be detected.
 
 How can I hook into the timeout to send the client a short response
 before connection close?

I don't believe (Filip or someone else who knows Comet much better than
I do will correct me if I am wrong) the Comet API supports that.

 Is there a better way to do this? Should my application handle these
 timeouts, and use the comet.timeout as a longer safety net?

That sounds like the way to do it to me.

Mark

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Re: Tomcat(5.5) Clustering and Load Balancing.

2011-01-04 Thread Mark Thomas
On 04/01/2011 06:47, Harsimranjit singh Kler wrote:
 So this means tomcat alone have not sufficent support for Load Balancing and
 clustering?.

Correct. Tomcat does not provide a reverse proxy implementation.

 You main only way to achive is to use apache server HTTPD and connector,
 mod_jk things ?.

You can use any reverse proxy you like. httpd + mod_jk is just one option.

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Re: Handling Comet Timeouts with CometProcessor

2011-01-04 Thread Joe Biron
 Is there a better way to do this? Should my application handle these
 timeouts, and use the comet.timeout as a longer safety net?

 That sounds like the way to do it to me.

 Mark

Thanks. It would be great if the comet event pump gave me a
PRE_TIMEOUT subevent, but at least I know what I need to do.

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Re: Handling Comet Timeouts with CometProcessor

2011-01-04 Thread Mark Thomas
On 04/01/2011 10:34, Joe Biron wrote:
 Is there a better way to do this? Should my application handle these
 timeouts, and use the comet.timeout as a longer safety net?

 That sounds like the way to do it to me.

 Mark
 
 Thanks. It would be great if the comet event pump gave me a
 PRE_TIMEOUT subevent, but at least I know what I need to do.

Put an enhancement request in bugzilla. I can't promise it will ever get
implemented but if is there at least the request won't get lost.

Mark

PS Enhancement requests with patches tend to get look at sooner ;)

 
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Re: What is the healthy interval length for young gc?

2011-01-04 Thread Pid
On 1/3/11 7:54 PM, Pid wrote:
 On 1/3/11 2:41 PM, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
 On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Pid p...@pidster.com wrote:
 On 1/3/11 1:10 PM, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
 Actually no, in my understanding both are independent. I mean the gc
 doesn't start to copy over if young is full, it simply cleans young.
 However,
 to quote your article: Old generation objects are objects that
 survived a few collections in the young generation area, and if
 objects managed to survive longer as they should in the young space,
 they might have been copied to old gen, despite the fact, that they
 are young generation objects by nature (meaning short lifetime). This
 theory is what I'm trying to check.

 Objects which survive collections in young generations will make their
 way into the old generation, and then sit around for a long time waiting
 to be collected.

 Hello pid-ster,



 What are your memory settings currently and how are the generations divided?

 -Xmx12G
 -Xms12G
 -XX:PermSize=128M
 -XX:MaxPermSize=256M
 -XX:+DisableExplicitGC
 -verbose:GC
 -XX:+PrintGCDetails
 -XX:+PrintGCDateStamps
 -Xloggc:/.../tomcat/logs/gc_tomcat.log

 jmap says:

 Attaching to process ID 16969, please wait...
 Debugger attached successfully.
 Server compiler detected.
 JVM version is 14.2-b01

 using thread-local object allocation.
 Parallel GC with 6 thread(s)

 Heap Configuration:
MinHeapFreeRatio = 40
MaxHeapFreeRatio = 70
MaxHeapSize  = 12884901888 (12288.0MB)
NewSize  = 2686976 (2.5625MB)
MaxNewSize   = 17592186044415 MB
OldSize  = 5439488 (5.1875MB)
NewRatio = 2
SurvivorRatio= 8
PermSize = 134217728 (128.0MB)
MaxPermSize  = 268435456 (256.0MB)

 Heap Usage:
 PS Young Generation
 Eden Space:
capacity = 4074897408 (3886.125MB)

used = 1509410704 (1439.4862213134766MB)
free = 2565486704 (2446.6387786865234MB)
37.04168603206219% used
 From Space:
capacity = 110755840 (105.625MB)
used = 47330080 (45.137481689453125MB)
free = 63425760 (60.487518310546875MB)
42.73371047522189% used
 To Space:
capacity = 109314048 (104.25MB)
used = 0 (0.0MB)
free = 109314048 (104.25MB)
0.0% used
 PS Old Generation
capacity = 8589934592 (8192.0MB)
used = 6636110912 (6328.688537597656MB)
free = 1953823680 (1863.3114624023438MB)
77.25449874997139% used
 PS Perm Generation
capacity = 268435456 (256.0MB)
used = 228667664 (218.07447814941406MB)
free = 39767792 (37.92552185058594MB)
85.18534302711487% used
 
 Have you attempted to profile the heap to see what's making it into the
 old gen?  (I say attempted because 16G is a lot of heap to profile...)
 
 How many processors do you have available and are you using CMS 
 incremental mode?

 vm with 6 assigned cores and no to both.
 
 Deliberate choice, or just not tried it yet?  If you've got multiple
 cores parallel gc is a good idea.
 
 Try something like this:
 
 -XX:+UseParNewGC \
 -XX:+UseConcMarkSweepGC \
 -XX:+CMSClassUnloadingEnabled \

Having said that, you might also just try, instead:

 -XX:+UseParallelGC
 -XX:+UseAdaptiveSizePolicy


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Tomcat7 with mod_jk

2011-01-04 Thread ma...@geosar.ch

Hello,
why I get this error:java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: 
org.apache.jk.config.ApacheConfig


with tomcat6 this worked:
Listener className=org.apache.jk.config.ApacheConfig
modJk=/usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_jk.so
workersConfig=/usr/local/apache2/conf/workers.properties/

Is changend something in tomcat7

Thanks
Mario

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Re: Tomcat7 with mod_jk

2011-01-04 Thread Rainer Jung

Hi,

On 04.01.2011 13:27, ma...@geosar.ch wrote:

Hello,
why I get this error:java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
org.apache.jk.config.ApacheConfig

with tomcat6 this worked:
Listener className=org.apache.jk.config.ApacheConfig
modJk=/usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_jk.so
workersConfig=/usr/local/apache2/conf/workers.properties/

Is changend something in tomcat7


That listener was only used to generate automatic mod_jk configurations 
from Tomcat deployments. After starting Tomcat the config was written 
out and you had to manually copy it into your Apache/mod_jk installation.


The config which was generated that way never was really production 
ready. It worked, but not more. Therefore the use of this listener is 
not recommended and at least I think it is OK if it is no longer working 
with TC 7.


For a good starting point for a production configurations of mod_jk have 
a look at the exampe configuration contained in the source tarball of 
mod_jk version 1.2.31.


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Re: Tomcat7 with mod_jk

2011-01-04 Thread Mark Thomas
On 04/01/2011 12:36, Rainer Jung wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On 04.01.2011 13:27, ma...@geosar.ch wrote:
 Hello,
 why I get this error:java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
 org.apache.jk.config.ApacheConfig

 with tomcat6 this worked:
 Listener className=org.apache.jk.config.ApacheConfig
 modJk=/usr/local/apache2/modules/mod_jk.so
 workersConfig=/usr/local/apache2/conf/workers.properties/

 Is changend something in tomcat7
 
 That listener was only used to generate automatic mod_jk configurations
 from Tomcat deployments. After starting Tomcat the config was written
 out and you had to manually copy it into your Apache/mod_jk installation.
 
 The config which was generated that way never was really production
 ready. It worked, but not more. Therefore the use of this listener is
 not recommended and at least I think it is OK if it is no longer working
 with TC 7.

It is more than just not working, that is part of the pre-Coyote AJP
connector that has been completely removed in Tomcat 7. Tomcat 7 just
ships with the Coyote (BIO and APR) implementations for AJP.

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Re: Tomcat7 with mod_jk

2011-01-04 Thread Rainer Jung

On 04.01.2011 13:41, Mark Thomas wrote:

On 04/01/2011 12:36, Rainer Jung wrote:

That listener was only used to generate automatic mod_jk configurations
from Tomcat deployments. After starting Tomcat the config was written
out and you had to manually copy it into your Apache/mod_jk installation.

The config which was generated that way never was really production
ready. It worked, but not more. Therefore the use of this listener is
not recommended and at least I think it is OK if it is no longer working
with TC 7.


It is more than just not working, that is part of the pre-Coyote AJP
connector that has been completely removed in Tomcat 7. Tomcat 7 just
ships with the Coyote (BIO and APR) implementations for AJP.


Ah, right. Forgot about the listener being part of the removed 
connector, but from the package name I could have remembered ...


Thanks,

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Re: What is the healthy interval length for young gc?

2011-01-04 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Pid p...@pidster.com wrote:

 Having said that, you might also just try, instead:

  -XX:+UseParallelGC
  -XX:+UseAdaptiveSizePolicy


I think UseParallelGC is default?
I will try the second option.

thanx
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Re: What is the healthy interval length for young gc?

2011-01-04 Thread Pid
On 1/4/11 1:38 PM, Leon Rosenberg wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Pid p...@pidster.com wrote:

 Having said that, you might also just try, instead:

  -XX:+UseParallelGC
  -XX:+UseAdaptiveSizePolicy

 
 I think UseParallelGC is default?

I didn't think so, but I could be wrong.  I've always manually specified it.

Take a thread dump and count the number of gc threads... ?


p

 I will try the second option.
 
 thanx
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Re: Tomcat 7

2011-01-04 Thread Peter Sparkes

Thanks Chuck

Peter

From: Peter Sparkes [mailto:pe...@didm.co.uk]
Subject: Tomcat 7
Can anyone please point me to a tutorial on how to
Install Tomcat 7 with virtual hosts on Debian Lenny

http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-7.0-doc/setup.html
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-7.0-doc/virtual-hosting-howto.html

Also look at the FAQ for various items that might hold interest for you.

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RE: What is the healthy interval length for young gc?

2011-01-04 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
 From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] 
 Subject: Re: What is the healthy interval length for young gc?

  I think UseParallelGC is default?

 I didn't think so, but I could be wrong.

It has been the default for quite some time if multiple cores are available.
 
 Take a thread dump and count the number of gc threads... ?

Leon's jmap output (http://marc.info/?l=tomcat-userm=129406571326914w=2) 
already showed that it was on:

 Parallel GC with 6 thread(s)

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Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

2011-01-04 Thread Nate Woodward
I'm trying to set up JMX on tomcat 6.0.19. Following the docs at 
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/monitoring.html, I've added this 
line to CATALINA_HOME/conf/tomcat6.conf:

CATALINA_OPTS=$CATALINA_OPTS -Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote 
-Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote.port=6969 
-Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote.ssl=false 
-Dcom.sun.management.jmxremote.authenticate=false

When I try to start tomcat with this in place, it crashes with just this 
in catalina.out:

Could not load Logmanager org.apache.juli.ClassLoaderLogManager
java.lang.NullPointerException
at java.util.logging.Logger.getLogger(Logger.java:292)
at java.util.jar.Attributes.read(Attributes.java:422)
at java.util.jar.Manifest.read(Manifest.java:199)
at java.util.jar.Manifest.init(Manifest.java:69)
at java.util.jar.JarFile.getManifestFromReference(JarFile.java:177)
at java.util.jar.JarFile.getManifest(JarFile.java:163)
at 
sun.misc.URLClassPath$JarLoader.getClassPath(URLClassPath.java:916)
at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getLoader(URLClassPath.java:317)
at sun.misc.URLClassPath.getResource(URLClassPath.java:184)
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:209)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:319)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:264)
at java.util.logging.LogManager$1.run(LogManager.java:182)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.util.logging.LogManager.clinit(LogManager.java:175)
at java.util.logging.Logger.getLogger(Logger.java:291)
at com.sun.jmx.remote.util.ClassLogger.init(ClassLogger.java:55)
at 
sun.management.jmxremote.ConnectorBootstrap.clinit(ConnectorBootstrap.
java:739)
at sun.management.Agent.startAgent(Agent.java:147)
at sun.management.Agent.startAgent(Agent.java:289)
Exception in thread main java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: 
org/apache/catalina/startup/Bootstrap
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: 
org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:217)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:205)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:319)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:294)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:264)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:332)
Could not find the main class: org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap. 
Program will exit.

Any ideas as to what the trouble might be caused by, or what else I 
could do to debug the problem?

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Re: isapi_redirector.dll Problems - Bad Gateway?

2011-01-04 Thread amythyst

Process #4 just says system when I run the netstat command you gave me.  I
still see port 8009 listening on process #4 but now for the change I made I
see port 8010 listening for my tomcat6.exe process.

We do not have a standard tomcat installation.  The application itself
installs tomcat when you install the application.  Its a java based
application, so I believe it needs some form of tomcat to function?  But,
the application was not throwing any errors and it was working internally on
our intranet.  If it wasn't starting the connector, I didn't see it anywhere
in the application logs.


awarnier wrote:
 
 amythyst wrote:
 Yea I don't know... I'm not the network person so I don't have access to
 see
 what is in the firewall.  He told me everything was set up properly in
 the
 firewall and when I changed the port to 8010, we made no changes in the
 firewall whatsoever.
 
 
 Michael Ludwig-6 wrote:
 amythyst schrieb am 03.01.2011 um 09:15 (-0800):
 Yup you are correct.  It was 8009.  And changing the port to 8010
 seems to have resolved it.  But I'm not sure why this has fixed it.
 Unfavourable firewall configuration?

 -- 
 
 Congratulations, and we share your happiness at having resolved the
 problem.
 However, it is always good to know why exactly the problem happened, if
 only to avoid it 
 re-appearing at some unexpected future time.
 
 So allow us to continue digging a bit.
 
 
 I believe that the key must be here, in an answer which you sent
 previously :
 
 
 
 I have the following connector string in my server.xml file:
 
 Connector port=8009 redirectPort=8443 enableLookups=false
 protocol=AJP/1.3 URIEncoding=UTF-8/
 
 I will attach the file itself to make sure you guys think it looks ok.
 
 I ran the netstat command you gave me... lots of stuff there!  But I do
 see
 this:
 
 TCP   0.0.0.0:80090.0.0.0:0   LISTENING  4
 
 -
 
 
 This 8009 port must not have been Tomcat, but something else.
 If it is still there now, then try to find out what process number 4
 actually is. You 
 should be able to see that in the Task Manager, if you select the PID
 column for display.
 
 It should also normally show the name of the executable program, if you
 really entered the 
 command as :
 
 netstat -aobn
 
 e.g.
 
TCP127.0.0.1:1430 127.0.0.1:1429 HERGESTELLT
 1092
[komodo.exe]
 
 (maybe you just forgot to copy and paste that second line ?)
 
 On my WinXP laptop for example, I see that process # 4 as [System] :
 
TCP192.168.245.129:1390.0.0.0:0  ABHÖREN 4
[System]
 
 In retrospect, it looks strange to have a process with PID # 4 on that
 server, listening 
 on port 8009.  What could it be ?
 
 Also, in the Tomcat logs of when you were still having the Connector
 listening on port 
 8009, there must have been error messages when Tomcat started.
 (It should not have been able to start that Connector, if the port was not
 free).
 
 
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RE: Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

2011-01-04 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
 From: Nate Woodward [mailto:nate.woodw...@the-connection.com] 
 Subject: Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

 I'm trying to set up JMX on tomcat 6.0.19.

Consider moving up to a version that was actually released - 6.0.19 never made 
it out the door.

 I've added this line to CATALINA_HOME/conf/tomcat6.conf:

No such file exists in a standard Tomcat distribution.

Since neither of your two statements above is believable, you might want to 
start over with a clean install of a fresh download of Tomcat.  If the problem 
persists, tell us the JVM version you're using, the platform you're running on, 
and how you start Tomcat.  Posting your entire server.xml (with comments 
removed and passwords obfuscated) would also be helpful.

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RE: Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

2011-01-04 Thread Nate Woodward
Apologies, I'm new to this list and to tomcat in general, and I'm not 
terribly savvy on what is/is not standard on a tomcat install. We build 
our own tomcat RPMs from source with a few extra system scripts and 
patches applied. In the future, should I attach said patches when 
posting?

At any rate, I've discovered a fix for the problem. In our setup, 
conf/tomcat6.conf gets sourced by a /etc/init.d/tomcat init script, and 
its main purpose is to set environment variables that tomcat needs. I 
added 'CLASSPATH=$CATALINA_HOME/bin/tomcat-juli.jar:$CLASSPATH' to 
tomcat6.conf, and now it works fine for some reason. This seems odd, 
since the output of 'ps' showed it was definitely in the -classpath 
option passed to java before. Hopefully, being there twice won't hurt. 
*shrug*


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Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:10 AM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: RE: Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

 From: Nate Woodward [mailto:nate.woodw...@the-connection.com]
 Subject: Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

 I'm trying to set up JMX on tomcat 6.0.19.

Consider moving up to a version that was actually released - 6.0.19 
never made it out the door.

 I've added this line to CATALINA_HOME/conf/tomcat6.conf:

No such file exists in a standard Tomcat distribution.

Since neither of your two statements above is believable, you might want 
to start over with a clean install of a fresh download of Tomcat.  If 
the problem persists, tell us the JVM version you're using, the platform 
you're running on, and how you start Tomcat.  Posting your entire 
server.xml (with comments removed and passwords obfuscated) would also 
be helpful.

 - Chuck


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Re: What is the healthy interval length for young gc?

2011-01-04 Thread Pid
On 1/4/11 2:47 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
 From: Pid [mailto:p...@pidster.com] 
 Subject: Re: What is the healthy interval length for young gc?
 
 I think UseParallelGC is default?
 
 I didn't think so, but I could be wrong.
 
 It has been the default for quite some time if multiple cores are available.
  
 Take a thread dump and count the number of gc threads... ?
 
 Leon's jmap output (http://marc.info/?l=tomcat-userm=129406571326914w=2) 
 already showed that it was on:
 
 Parallel GC with 6 thread(s)

Ah, I didn't see that.  Thanks...


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RE: Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

2011-01-04 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
 From: Nate Woodward [mailto:nate.woodw...@the-connection.com] 
 Subject: RE: Setting up JMX crashes Tomcat 6

 In the future, should I attach said patches when posting?

No; best if you can demonstrate any problem on a released version of Tomcat, 
not a home-grown one.  Unlikely that anyone here will be interested in 
debugging your local code.

 its main purpose is to set environment variables that tomcat needs.

Which is more properly handled by creating a setenv.sh script.

If you're rolling your own, you're pretty much on your own.

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Re: Comet and multipart

2011-01-04 Thread Filip Hanik - Dev Lists

On 1/4/2011 1:26 AM, sol myr wrote:

Filip, thanks for your reply.
You are correct that the server simply writes data, which we can format any way 
we like.
However, we were wondering whether Tomcat has any utilities/configurations to 
make it easier. E.g:

1) If we use multipart format (to separate between messages), does 
Tomcat/Apache have utilities to make it easier? Or should we hand-code the 
appropriate headers, separators, etc?
Not in Tomcat 6. The risk of using any utilities out there, is that they will want to block on inputstream.read until the entire request 
body has been read, and I suspect that's not what you want.

2) If we rely on Content-length: (to tell when one message ends and another begins), this header 
is usually automatically managed by Tomcat, so we'd have to ask Tomcat to manage it differently (otherwise, 
it might calculate one content-length for all messages put together, or it might omit it 
altogether and use chunked instead - which is also be an option, but then how do we tell tomcat 
to have a chunk per message).

I would not use Content-Length, by doing so, you're setting a limit to yourself 
on how long the Comet request is alive

best
Filip


Thanks again

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From: Filip Hanik - Dev Listsdevli...@hanik.com
Subject: Re: Comet and multipart
To: Tomcat Users Listusers@tomcat.apache.org
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 8:47 AM

On 1/3/2011 7:48 AM, sol myr wrote:

Hi,

We're implementing a CometServlet on top of Tomcat NIO connector, using long 
polling.
Currently we're using the approach recommended by most tutorials: the client 
opens a connection and waits for a message (for a configured timeout); if such 
a message arrives, the client consumes it (e.g. presents it on screen), then 
*closes* the http connection, and opens a new connection (to wait for the next 
message).

Unfortunately, we have a network performance problem with opening and closing 
connections (our 3rd party proxy is good at keeping connections alive, but is 
slow in negotiating new connections).

So we'd like to keep the HTTP connection alive, and pass multiple messages on 
the same connection. We were hoping to tell the messages apart based on 
multipart format, or some other separator, or content length.

Could anyone please tell whether that's supported on the TomcatServlet side?

yes, it is supported, as long as your client knows how to do it. On the 
server/servlet side, all you do is read the input stream byte by byte
you can create any type of protocol rules inside the HTTP message that it sends 
up
best
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How to disable chunked encoding for the Http11NioProtocol connector.

2011-01-04 Thread ilya goberman

Hi,
I use NIO HTTP Tomcat connector org.apache.coyote.Http11NioProtocol to 
implement Comet streaming to browsers and mobile devices.

I would like to disable HTTP response chunked encoding to reduce bandwidth.
The response will have header Connection: close with Content-Length header 
omitted.
Is there a way to do it besides having client send HTTP 1.0 request (that is 
not possible in the majority of cases)?
Thanks 


  

Re: How to disable chunked encoding for the Http11NioProtocol connector.

2011-01-04 Thread Mark Thomas
On 05/01/2011 05:04, ilya goberman wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I use NIO HTTP Tomcat connector org.apache.coyote.Http11NioProtocol to 
 implement Comet streaming to browsers and mobile devices.
 
 I would like to disable HTTP response chunked encoding to reduce bandwidth.

How significant is the overhead with chunking in your case? I'd expect
it to be pretty small unless only a few bytes are sent at a time (and
even then there is the overhead for the packet).

Is there any mileage in using compression to reduce bandwidth instead?
Issues with flushing compressed output streams [1] were fixed last year.

 The response will have header Connection: close with Content-Length 
 header omitted.
 Is there a way to do it besides having client send HTTP 1.0 request (that is 
 not possible in the majority of cases)?

Having looked at the relevant source code the only two ways I can see are:
- sending an HTTP 1.0 request
- declaring a content length

It used to be possible to control this by disabling keep-alive but that
was changed back in April last year [2],[3] as a result a discussion on
the dev list [4]. If your Tomcat version is old enough, you may still be
able to use the disable keep-alive trick.

My own view was then, and is now, that the extra bytes with chunking are
a price worth paying for the client to be able to determine if the
request is complete. That said, an option on the connector to revert to
non-chunked responses when keep-alive is disabled for use cases where
reducing bandwidth is more important than knowing if the response is
complete seems reasonable to me.

Mark

[1] http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=48738
[2] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=931709view=rev
[3] http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=932913view=rev
[4] http://markmail.org/message/pim62zhlw4cii7ve

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