Re: Tomcat native tc and a custom OpenSSL engine for ECDH

2018-08-06 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Piyush,

On 8/6/18 7:37 PM, Piyush K wrote:
> Hi Christopher,
> 
> I am using my own custom OpenSSL engine that I wrote for elliptical
> curve doggie Hellman (ECDH)
> 
> I am setting the SSLEngine to my engine name in the Listener in the
> tomcat configuration file (conf/server.xml)
> 
> But looks like the engine is not being set in the function call to
> SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile(...) which returns the pointer to DH (in
> file tomcat-native-1.2.16-arc/native/src/sslcontext.c) , I don't
> believe the engine is being set (as SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile(...)
> calls PEM_read_bio_DHparams(...). However SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile
> doesn't set the  ENGINE * parameter inside the structure for DH
> (aliased as dh_st). Because ENGINE * is not set the default OpenSSL
> implementation for ECDH is getting called. Please correct me if I
> am wrong,

Just for confirmation, please post your  and 
configurations, plus the relevant log file lines from catalina.out (or
similar) that show the APRLifecycleListener starting up.

- -chris

>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 8:49 AM, Christopher Schultz
>>  wrote:
>> 
> Piyush,
> 
 On 8/3/18 2:52 PM, Piyush K wrote:
 
 Dear tomcat community,
 
 I have a question - I am using tomcat and OpenSSL (with apr
 and tomcat= -native-1.2.16). Versions are as follows :-
 apr-1-config 1.5.2 tomcat-native-1.2.16 OpenSSL 1.1.0 Tomcat
 8.5.31
 
 This works fine with my custom OpenSSL 1.1.0 installation.=20
 Next I wrote my own custom OpenSSL engine for ECDHE
 (ephemeral even), howeve= r tomcat native still seems to make
 calls to the default ECDHE engine that c= omes with OpenSSL
 (instead of using mine, even though I compiled, tested and=
 installed the needed shared object in the relevant directory
 for OpenSSL e= ngines shared objects). Does the tomcat native
 code needs to be modified to support a custom OpenSSL= engine
 for ECDHE.=20 If yes, can I get some help on which places and
 which files one needs to mod= ify (I have looked at the file
 sslcontext.c but it is bit very clear on how t= o tie your
 custom OpenSSL ECDHE engine with the EC keys being
 generated)
> 
> 
> Do you have you own "engine" or are you just replacing one of the 
> cipher suites?
> 
> What does your Tomcat  configuration and APR  
> look like?
> 
> You probably have to set the "SSLEngine" attribute to identify
> your custom engine.
> 
> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/config/listeners.html#APR_Life
cy
>
> 
cle_Listener_-_org.apache.catalina.core.AprLifecycleListener
> 
> -chris
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RE: IIS Connector Not Working

2018-08-06 Thread Louis Zipes
Hi,
The fact that it is working on one machine and not the other then have you 
rules out all of the NON IIS Connector differences (ex. Machine Operating 
Systems, Privileges, etc..)?

- Louis

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One more bit of information:

if I go to :

http://hostname/jakarta/

on the working machine, I get a 403-Forbidden.

If I go to the same url on the non-working machine, I get a directory
listing of the files in the directory that the "jakarta" application
points to.



On 8/6/2018 7:38 PM, George S. wrote:
> I'm having a rough time getting the IIS Connector working on a
> specific machine. I'm getting a 404 error when I request a file in my
> Tomcat application. I'm using version 1.2.43 of the ISAPI Redirector
> on Windows Server 2016 with IIS 10.0.
>
> I've carefully checked, and re-checked, and followed the directions. I
> can get it to work on a machine with a scratch install of Microsoft
> Windows Server 2016, but I can't get it to work on another machine.
>
> I'm not getting an isapi_redirect.log file in the
> ${catalina.base}\logs directory.  I've checked and re-checked the
> permissions. I've tried running the "jakarta" application under an App
> pool that runs as "Network Service" and under "DefaultAppPool". For
> DefaultAppPool, I set permissions on the directory for "IIS
> AppPool\DefaultAppPool". In neither case do I get an ISAPI Redirect
> log. I know from experience that not getting an isapi_redirect.log
> file usually indicates a permission problem but I've beaten that
> silly. I've verified my URIWorkerMap.properties and Workers.properties
> files exist as expected.
>
> I tried enabling Windows Tracing for 404 requests, and the log files
> aren't getting created by IIS for the failed request.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas? Is there another way to integrate with IIS
> via reverse proxy?
>
> I would REALLY appreciate any ideas.
>
>

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Re: IIS Connector Not Working

2018-08-06 Thread George S.

One more bit of information:

if I go to :

http://hostname/jakarta/

on the working machine, I get a 403-Forbidden.

If I go to the same url on the non-working machine, I get a directory 
listing of the files in the directory that the "jakarta" application 
points to.




On 8/6/2018 7:38 PM, George S. wrote:
I'm having a rough time getting the IIS Connector working on a 
specific machine. I'm getting a 404 error when I request a file in my 
Tomcat application. I'm using version 1.2.43 of the ISAPI Redirector 
on Windows Server 2016 with IIS 10.0.


I've carefully checked, and re-checked, and followed the directions. I 
can get it to work on a machine with a scratch install of Microsoft 
Windows Server 2016, but I can't get it to work on another machine.


I'm not getting an isapi_redirect.log file in the 
${catalina.base}\logs directory.  I've checked and re-checked the 
permissions. I've tried running the "jakarta" application under an App 
pool that runs as "Network Service" and under "DefaultAppPool". For 
DefaultAppPool, I set permissions on the directory for "IIS 
AppPool\DefaultAppPool". In neither case do I get an ISAPI Redirect 
log. I know from experience that not getting an isapi_redirect.log 
file usually indicates a permission problem but I've beaten that 
silly. I've verified my URIWorkerMap.properties and Workers.properties 
files exist as expected.


I tried enabling Windows Tracing for 404 requests, and the log files 
aren't getting created by IIS for the failed request.


Does anyone have any ideas? Is there another way to integrate with IIS 
via reverse proxy?


I would REALLY appreciate any ideas.




--
George S.
*MH Software, Inc.*
Voice: 303 438 9585
http://www.mhsoftware.com


IIS Connector Not Working

2018-08-06 Thread George S.
I'm having a rough time getting the IIS Connector working on a specific 
machine. I'm getting a 404 error when I request a file in my Tomcat 
application. I'm using version 1.2.43 of the ISAPI Redirector on Windows 
Server 2016 with IIS 10.0.


I've carefully checked, and re-checked, and followed the directions. I 
can get it to work on a machine with a scratch install of Microsoft 
Windows Server 2016, but I can't get it to work on another machine.


I'm not getting an isapi_redirect.log file in the ${catalina.base}\logs 
directory.  I've checked and re-checked the permissions. I've tried 
running the "jakarta" application under an App pool that runs as 
"Network Service" and under "DefaultAppPool". For DefaultAppPool, I set 
permissions on the directory for "IIS AppPool\DefaultAppPool". In 
neither case do I get an ISAPI Redirect log. I know from experience that 
not getting an isapi_redirect.log file usually indicates a permission 
problem but I've beaten that silly. I've verified my 
URIWorkerMap.properties and Workers.properties files exist as expected.


I tried enabling Windows Tracing for 404 requests, and the log files 
aren't getting created by IIS for the failed request.


Does anyone have any ideas? Is there another way to integrate with IIS 
via reverse proxy?


I would REALLY appreciate any ideas.


--
George S.
*MH Software, Inc.*
Voice: 303 438 9585
http://www.mhsoftware.com


Re: Tomcat native tc and a custom OpenSSL engine for ECDH

2018-08-06 Thread Piyush K
I meant "Diffie Hellman", my iPhone spell checker has a mind of its own :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Piyush K  wrote:
> 
> Hi Christopher,
> 
> I am using my own custom OpenSSL engine that I wrote for elliptical curve 
> doggie Hellman (ECDH)
> 
> I am setting the SSLEngine to my engine name in the Listener in the 
> tomcat configuration file (conf/server.xml)
> 
> But looks like the engine is not being set in the function call to 
> SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile(...) which returns the pointer to DH (in file 
> tomcat-native-1.2.16-arc/native/src/sslcontext.c) , I don't believe the 
> engine is being set (as 
> SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile(...) calls PEM_read_bio_DHparams(...). However 
> SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile doesn't set the  ENGINE * parameter inside the 
> structure for DH (aliased as dh_st). Because ENGINE * is not set the default 
> OpenSSL implementation for ECDH is getting called. 
>Please correct me if I am wrong,
> 
> Regards,
> Piyush
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 8:49 AM, Christopher Schultz 
>>  wrote:
>> 
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>> Piyush,
>> 
>>> On 8/3/18 2:52 PM, Piyush K wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear tomcat community,
>>> 
>>> I have a question - I am using tomcat and OpenSSL (with apr and
>>> tomcat= -native-1.2.16). Versions are as follows :- apr-1-config
>>> 1.5.2 tomcat-native-1.2.16 OpenSSL 1.1.0 Tomcat 8.5.31
>>> 
>>> This works fine with my custom OpenSSL 1.1.0 installation.=20 Next
>>> I wrote my own custom OpenSSL engine for ECDHE (ephemeral even),
>>> howeve= r tomcat native still seems to make calls to the default
>>> ECDHE engine that c= omes with OpenSSL (instead of using mine, even
>>> though I compiled, tested and= installed the needed shared object
>>> in the relevant directory for OpenSSL e= ngines shared objects). 
>>> Does the tomcat native code needs to be modified to support a
>>> custom OpenSSL= engine for ECDHE.=20 If yes, can I get some help on
>>> which places and which files one needs to mod= ify (I have looked
>>> at the file sslcontext.c but it is bit very clear on how t= o tie
>>> your custom OpenSSL ECDHE engine with the EC keys being generated)
>> 
>> 
>> Do you have you own "engine" or are you just replacing one of the
>> cipher suites?
>> 
>> What does your Tomcat  configuration and APR 
>> look like?
>> 
>> You probably have to set the "SSLEngine" attribute to identify your
>> custom engine.
>> 
>> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/config/listeners.html#APR_Lifecy
>> cle_Listener_-_org.apache.catalina.core.AprLifecycleListener
>> 
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Re: Tomcat native tc and a custom OpenSSL engine for ECDH

2018-08-06 Thread Piyush K
Hi Christopher,

 I am using my own custom OpenSSL engine that I wrote for elliptical curve 
doggie Hellman (ECDH)

 I am setting the SSLEngine to my engine name in the Listener in the tomcat 
configuration file (conf/server.xml)

 But looks like the engine is not being set in the function call to 
SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile(...) which returns the pointer to DH (in file 
tomcat-native-1.2.16-arc/native/src/sslcontext.c) , I don't believe the engine 
is being set (as 
SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile(...) calls PEM_read_bio_DHparams(...). However 
SSL_dh_GetParamFromFile doesn't set the  ENGINE * parameter inside the 
structure for DH (aliased as dh_st). Because ENGINE * is not set the default 
OpenSSL implementation for ECDH is getting called. 
Please correct me if I am wrong,

Regards,
Piyush
  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2018, at 8:49 AM, Christopher Schultz 
>  wrote:
> 
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> Piyush,
> 
>> On 8/3/18 2:52 PM, Piyush K wrote:
>> 
>> Dear tomcat community,
>> 
>> I have a question - I am using tomcat and OpenSSL (with apr and
>> tomcat= -native-1.2.16). Versions are as follows :- apr-1-config
>> 1.5.2 tomcat-native-1.2.16 OpenSSL 1.1.0 Tomcat 8.5.31
>> 
>> This works fine with my custom OpenSSL 1.1.0 installation.=20 Next
>> I wrote my own custom OpenSSL engine for ECDHE (ephemeral even),
>> howeve= r tomcat native still seems to make calls to the default
>> ECDHE engine that c= omes with OpenSSL (instead of using mine, even
>> though I compiled, tested and= installed the needed shared object
>> in the relevant directory for OpenSSL e= ngines shared objects). 
>> Does the tomcat native code needs to be modified to support a
>> custom OpenSSL= engine for ECDHE.=20 If yes, can I get some help on
>> which places and which files one needs to mod= ify (I have looked
>> at the file sslcontext.c but it is bit very clear on how t= o tie
>> your custom OpenSSL ECDHE engine with the EC keys being generated)
> 
> 
> Do you have you own "engine" or are you just replacing one of the
> cipher suites?
> 
> What does your Tomcat  configuration and APR 
> look like?
> 
> You probably have to set the "SSLEngine" attribute to identify your
> custom engine.
> 
> http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-8.5-doc/config/listeners.html#APR_Lifecy
> cle_Listener_-_org.apache.catalina.core.AprLifecycleListener
> 
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Re: End of Support for Tomcat versions

2018-08-06 Thread Christopher Schultz
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Gaurav,

On 8/6/18 9:47 AM, gaurav.kuma...@wipro.com wrote:
> Hi Team ,
> 
> Could you please let us know End of Support/Life for the below
> mentioned Tomcat Version:
> 
> Tomcat 7.0 Tomcat 8.5 Tomcat 9.0
> 
> We want to use it with RHEL 7.4 OS . Please let me know if you
> need any further info to answer the query.
As others have said, all continue to be supported and should be for
the foreseeable future.

My recommendation would be to move to 8.5 or 9.0 if you have not
already done so. Tomcat 7 isn't officially in "maintenance mode" but
some significant changes were made between 8.0 and 8.5 so the
frequency of back-ports for improvements made to 9.0/8.5 are going to
become less and less frequent for Tomcat 7.

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Re: Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a state where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors

2018-08-06 Thread Mark Thomas

On 06/08/2018 21:05, Chrifister wrote:




I'm still confused as to why the exceptions never made
it to catalina.out?


It depends where the problem occurs. If it occurs in application code 
(e.g. inside a servlet of filter) then Tomcat will try and log it in 
most specific log file (host or webapp) that is available. You can 
change this in logging.properties.


Mark

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Re: Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a state where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors

2018-08-06 Thread Chrifister
I may have found the problem and solution. We went back and had a look at
all the logs, not just catalina.out. There was a localhost log made by
Tomcat and in there was a number of exceptions from when the application
was in that weird state. The exceptions were as follows:

 java.io.IOException: Broken pipe

 java.sql.SQLException: Connection has already been closed.

 org.hibernate.TransactionException: JDBC begin transaction failed:

 org.hibernate.TransactionException: Already have an associated managed
connection

This last one repeats every second or so until the application is
restarted. This led me to a custom request filter that came from a book
about Hibernate, specifically a section about transaction management. It
says to create a filter and to wrap the transaction around the filter
chain. The code in the filter is as follows:

Session session = HibernateSessionFactory.getSession();
Transaction tx = session.beginTransaction();

try {
chain.doFilter(request, response);
tx.commit();
session.close();
} catch (Throwable ex) {
try {
if (tx.isActive()) {
tx.rollback();
session.close();
}
} catch(Throwable rbEx) {
rbEx.printStackTrace();
}
throw new ServletException(ex);
}

The first exception about a broken pipe indicates a connection was lost.
This is probably from mobile users losing signal or something. Since the
connection was lost, the connection closes somewhere, somehow. So if the
connection is lost during chain.doFilter(), then when it tries tx.commit(),
it fails because the connection is already closed. This falls to the catch
block and I assume tx.isActive() is false at that point so session.close()
is never called. The next request fails on session.beginTransaction() and
then since we are forever throwing exceptions, session.close() is never
called and the app can no longer fully process requests because it never
makes it to chain.doFilter(). This theory follows the order of the thrown
exceptions in the logs.

I can reproduce the issue locally by adding a breakpoint to an action class
and letting eclipse sit there for a couple of minutes. I assume the JDBC
driver closes the connection because when I resume the application I'm
seeing the same symptoms as the issue we've been having. With the following
updated code, only one exception about the connection already being closed
is thrown, but the application recovers and is still usable. I may still
add a catch for that SqlException and just log a message about connection
lost or something.

Session session = HibernateSessionFactory.getSession();
Transaction tx = session.beginTransaction();

try {
chain.doFilter(request, response);
if (session.isOpen() && tx.isActive())
tx.commit();
} catch (Throwable ex) {
try {
if (session.isOpen() && tx.isActive())
tx.rollback();
} catch (Throwable rbEx) {
rbEx.printStackTrace();
}
throw new ServletException(ex);
} finally {
if (session.isOpen())
session.close();
}

We'll deploy the fix to the two most problematic applications tomorrow and
hopefully we won't see the issue anymore. Thanks guys for all commenting
about the logs. That prompted me to go have a deeper look at everything
Tomcat was logging. I'm still confused as to why the exceptions never made
it to catalina.out?

On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 2:25 PM Mark Thomas  wrote:

>
>
> On 06/08/2018 16:54, Chrifister wrote:
>
> 
>
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> No real ideas. Just requests for more information and an observation.
>
> The 500 responses should have triggered stack traces in the logs. Can
> you provide some sample stack traces of the errors you are seeing.
>
> What does a thread dump show?
>
> Are you accessing Tomcat directly or via a reverse proxy such as httpd?
>
> That only one app of several gets into this state while other
> applications work correctly points towards an application issue rather
> than anything else.
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Re: End of Support for Tomcat versions

2018-08-06 Thread Mark Thomas

On 06/08/2018 14:47, gaurav.kuma...@wipro.com wrote:

Hi Team ,

Could you please let us know End of Support/Life for the below mentioned Tomcat 
Version:

Tomcat 7.0
Tomcat 8.5
Tomcat 9.0


Best guess hasn't really changed since this:

https://markmail.org/message/5klk3rtf4mb2aacv

Very roughly, based on historic data, major releases are supported for 
around 10 years from first release. The intention is to continue that 
going forwards but what actually ends up happening will depend on 
circumstances at the time.


Mark

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Re: End of Support for Tomcat versions

2018-08-06 Thread Shawn Heisey
On 8/6/2018 7:47 AM, gaurav.kuma...@wipro.com wrote:
> Could you please let us know End of Support/Life for the below mentioned 
> Tomcat Version:
>
> Tomcat 7.0
> Tomcat 8.5
> Tomcat 9.0
>
> We want to use it with RHEL 7.4 OS . Please let me know if you need any 
> further info to answer the query.

Looks like all three of those are still supported.

http://tomcat.apache.org/whichversion.html



I found additional detail.  Probably more than you wanted:

8.0 has reached end of support and is less than two months from complete
end of life:

https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-80-eol.html

The Tomcat 8 download page says that end of life has not yet been
announced for 8.5, so 8.5 and 9.0 are still good.

https://tomcat.apache.org/download-80.cgi

The Tomcat 7 and Tomcat 9 download pages don't mention anything about
end of life:

https://tomcat.apache.org/download-70.cgi
https://tomcat.apache.org/download-90.cgi

Thanks,
Shawn


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Re: Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a state where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors

2018-08-06 Thread Mark Thomas




On 06/08/2018 16:54, Chrifister wrote:




Any help would be greatly appreciated.


No real ideas. Just requests for more information and an observation.

The 500 responses should have triggered stack traces in the logs. Can 
you provide some sample stack traces of the errors you are seeing.


What does a thread dump show?

Are you accessing Tomcat directly or via a reverse proxy such as httpd?

That only one app of several gets into this state while other 
applications work correctly points towards an application issue rather 
than anything else.


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Re: Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a state where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors

2018-08-06 Thread Luis Rodríguez Fernández
Hello Chris,

Definitely you have to increase the logging level. If your tomcat instance
is using JULI and you suspect from struts perhaps you could try to increase
the debugging level of struts in your
$CATALINA_BASE/conf/logging.properties:

org.apache.struts.level=FINE or FINEST

Hope it helps,

Luis


2018-08-06 18:08 GMT+02:00 Louis Zipes :

> Hi,
> Not an answer but just letting you my thinking on where I would look for
> additional error messages that might help tell more of the story.
>
> 1) Any additional information in the individual Java Plugin Logs that tell
> more of the story?
>
> 2) Can you increase the logging on the Tomcat side to try to capture more
> of the error?
>
> 3) What about the SUSE logs themselves?  Do they tell you anything?
>
> Thanks, Louis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chrifister [mailto:chrifis...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 11:54 AM
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> Subject: Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a
> state where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors
>
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>
> Hi,
>
> Our current setup is Tomcat 9.0.8 running SuSE Enterprise. This server is
> running a dozen web applications built with Struts 1.3.8 with some newer
> Spring applications on the horizon. There is a large user base with some
> applications seeing heavy usage. Applications are currently using Java 1.7
> and 1.8.
>
> We were originally running Tomcat 7.x but were having issues with perm gen
> maxing out very quickly for unknown reasons but possibly related to a buggy
> third party "enterprise-grade" reporting Java library. We had to restart
> the server nightly to try and keep perm gen from maxing out. Part of the
> reason was this third-party library spawned immortal threads that would
> prevent an application from unloading and being garbage collected when a
> newer build of an application was deployed (the developers behind it never
> expected the library would be run on a server with multiple
> applications). So we upgraded Tomcat to 8.5.x first and then to 9.x
> recently. This fixed the perm gen issue.
>
> Our current issue we are having is that for some unknown reason and after
> seemingly random lengths of time, an application will get into a state and
> will start having issues which results in failed page loads or pages not
> loading correctly. According to Chrome's network tab in developer console,
> a random bunch of static resources (javascript, css, images) are returning
> 500 errors and not being served. Whether the page loads or not depends on
> exactly which resources were not returned. Every time you access any page
> in that application, another random bunch of resources have 500 errors.
> There's no indication in any of Tomcat's log files that an application is
> in this state. The application will stay in this unusable state until it is
> restarted or the server is restarted.
>
> We've resorted to once again scheduling the server to restart nightly which
> has cut down on the frequency of this happening which hints at this being
> related to usage, but it is still happening once a week and sometimes more.
> The applications that seem to experience this the most are I believe the
> more heavily used applications.
>
> No Spring application has experienced this issue on our other servers which
> leads me to tentatively say that Spring is not affected and/or is not a
> cause of the issue but upgrading all applications to Spring is not feasible
> at the moment.
>
> We've tried upgrading Struts in the most frequently affected applications
> to 1.3.10 but it did not solve the issue and actually afflicted us with
> another issue stemming from a bug in that Struts version. So we had to go
> back to 1.3.8.
>
> I spoke with a couple of people in Tomcat's IRC channel and they seemed to
> think it was a third-party library or a problem/race condition between the
> Struts and Tomcat servlets. While this may be important information, I have
> no idea what to do with it.
>
> I'm not sure debugging is a possibility because it's a remote server and I
> wouldn't even know what to look for. I also can't allow a production
> application to remain in this state for very long.
>
> I can't file a bug report because I can't reproduce it at will and I am
> unable to provide thread or heap dumps.
>
> I have a suspicion it may be caused by that third part library although I
> don't see how that library would affect Tomcat's serving of static
> resources.
>
> This issue has never happened to our test server or our local instances of
> tomcat. Since I suspect it's related to usage, this is not surprising.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Chris
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RE: Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a state where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors

2018-08-06 Thread Louis Zipes
Hi,
Not an answer but just letting you my thinking on where I would look for 
additional error messages that might help tell more of the story.

1) Any additional information in the individual Java Plugin Logs that tell more 
of the story?

2) Can you increase the logging on the Tomcat side to try to capture more of 
the error?

3) What about the SUSE logs themselves?  Do they tell you anything?

Thanks, Louis

-Original Message-
From: Chrifister [mailto:chrifis...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2018 11:54 AM
To: users@tomcat.apache.org
Subject: Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a state 
where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors

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Hi,

Our current setup is Tomcat 9.0.8 running SuSE Enterprise. This server is
running a dozen web applications built with Struts 1.3.8 with some newer
Spring applications on the horizon. There is a large user base with some
applications seeing heavy usage. Applications are currently using Java 1.7
and 1.8.

We were originally running Tomcat 7.x but were having issues with perm gen
maxing out very quickly for unknown reasons but possibly related to a buggy
third party "enterprise-grade" reporting Java library. We had to restart
the server nightly to try and keep perm gen from maxing out. Part of the
reason was this third-party library spawned immortal threads that would
prevent an application from unloading and being garbage collected when a
newer build of an application was deployed (the developers behind it never
expected the library would be run on a server with multiple
applications). So we upgraded Tomcat to 8.5.x first and then to 9.x
recently. This fixed the perm gen issue.

Our current issue we are having is that for some unknown reason and after
seemingly random lengths of time, an application will get into a state and
will start having issues which results in failed page loads or pages not
loading correctly. According to Chrome's network tab in developer console,
a random bunch of static resources (javascript, css, images) are returning
500 errors and not being served. Whether the page loads or not depends on
exactly which resources were not returned. Every time you access any page
in that application, another random bunch of resources have 500 errors.
There's no indication in any of Tomcat's log files that an application is
in this state. The application will stay in this unusable state until it is
restarted or the server is restarted.

We've resorted to once again scheduling the server to restart nightly which
has cut down on the frequency of this happening which hints at this being
related to usage, but it is still happening once a week and sometimes more.
The applications that seem to experience this the most are I believe the
more heavily used applications.

No Spring application has experienced this issue on our other servers which
leads me to tentatively say that Spring is not affected and/or is not a
cause of the issue but upgrading all applications to Spring is not feasible
at the moment.

We've tried upgrading Struts in the most frequently affected applications
to 1.3.10 but it did not solve the issue and actually afflicted us with
another issue stemming from a bug in that Struts version. So we had to go
back to 1.3.8.

I spoke with a couple of people in Tomcat's IRC channel and they seemed to
think it was a third-party library or a problem/race condition between the
Struts and Tomcat servlets. While this may be important information, I have
no idea what to do with it.

I'm not sure debugging is a possibility because it's a remote server and I
wouldn't even know what to look for. I also can't allow a production
application to remain in this state for very long.

I can't file a bug report because I can't reproduce it at will and I am
unable to provide thread or heap dumps.

I have a suspicion it may be caused by that third part library although I
don't see how that library would affect Tomcat's serving of static
resources.

This issue has never happened to our test server or our local instances of
tomcat. Since I suspect it's related to usage, this is not surprising.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris
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Tomcat 8.x-9.x + Struts 1.3.x - Applications will get into a state where they won't serve random bunch of static resources, 500 errors

2018-08-06 Thread Chrifister
Hi,

Our current setup is Tomcat 9.0.8 running SuSE Enterprise. This server is
running a dozen web applications built with Struts 1.3.8 with some newer
Spring applications on the horizon. There is a large user base with some
applications seeing heavy usage. Applications are currently using Java 1.7
and 1.8.

We were originally running Tomcat 7.x but were having issues with perm gen
maxing out very quickly for unknown reasons but possibly related to a buggy
third party "enterprise-grade" reporting Java library. We had to restart
the server nightly to try and keep perm gen from maxing out. Part of the
reason was this third-party library spawned immortal threads that would
prevent an application from unloading and being garbage collected when a
newer build of an application was deployed (the developers behind it never
expected the library would be run on a server with multiple
applications). So we upgraded Tomcat to 8.5.x first and then to 9.x
recently. This fixed the perm gen issue.

Our current issue we are having is that for some unknown reason and after
seemingly random lengths of time, an application will get into a state and
will start having issues which results in failed page loads or pages not
loading correctly. According to Chrome's network tab in developer console,
a random bunch of static resources (javascript, css, images) are returning
500 errors and not being served. Whether the page loads or not depends on
exactly which resources were not returned. Every time you access any page
in that application, another random bunch of resources have 500 errors.
There's no indication in any of Tomcat's log files that an application is
in this state. The application will stay in this unusable state until it is
restarted or the server is restarted.

We've resorted to once again scheduling the server to restart nightly which
has cut down on the frequency of this happening which hints at this being
related to usage, but it is still happening once a week and sometimes more.
The applications that seem to experience this the most are I believe the
more heavily used applications.

No Spring application has experienced this issue on our other servers which
leads me to tentatively say that Spring is not affected and/or is not a
cause of the issue but upgrading all applications to Spring is not feasible
at the moment.

We've tried upgrading Struts in the most frequently affected applications
to 1.3.10 but it did not solve the issue and actually afflicted us with
another issue stemming from a bug in that Struts version. So we had to go
back to 1.3.8.

I spoke with a couple of people in Tomcat's IRC channel and they seemed to
think it was a third-party library or a problem/race condition between the
Struts and Tomcat servlets. While this may be important information, I have
no idea what to do with it.

I'm not sure debugging is a possibility because it's a remote server and I
wouldn't even know what to look for. I also can't allow a production
application to remain in this state for very long.

I can't file a bug report because I can't reproduce it at will and I am
unable to provide thread or heap dumps.

I have a suspicion it may be caused by that third part library although I
don't see how that library would affect Tomcat's serving of static
resources.

This issue has never happened to our test server or our local instances of
tomcat. Since I suspect it's related to usage, this is not surprising.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Chris


End of Support for Tomcat versions

2018-08-06 Thread gaurav.kuma...@wipro.com
Hi Team ,

Could you please let us know End of Support/Life for the below mentioned Tomcat 
Version:

Tomcat 7.0
Tomcat 8.5
Tomcat 9.0

We want to use it with RHEL 7.4 OS . Please let me know if you need any further 
info to answer the query.

BR//
Gaurav


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