RE: [OT] Question about licensing

2006-03-08 Thread Peter Crowther
 From: Leon Rosenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 For process reasons the source code of
 the libs will not be available

Then LGPL is unsuitable.

 The jars would be free for copy, modification, usage, all the gpl
 stuff, but not available in sourcecode.

Apache and LGPL are often unnecessarily complex.  (L)GPL in particular
is more a weapon of IP warfare than a software license in my opinion.
Why not a BSD or MIT license?  Do you need any further restrictions on
distribution of the libraries than those provide?

- Peter

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Re: [OT] Question about licensing

2006-03-08 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Thanx Ted and Peter,

MIT will do, I will suggest it to the customer, and it is really VERY
brief and understandable :-)

 Emmanouil:
IMO the libraries have very little value without the source code being
available under an OS license

Normally I would agree, but in this case the MIT license will give me
the opprotunity to create a product on top which would be then
opensource. The jar in question is a interval-stat-value framework,
the application above would be an interval-based
struts/servlet/whatever stats. We actually have one in usage right
now, and the results are magnificent. That's why I want to make an OS
project out of it, to use it in my other projects and to give the
community something back.

regards
Leon


On 3/8/06, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If it were me, I'd probably suggest putting the binaries under the MIT 
 license.

 * http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php

 It talks about software but doesn't distinguish between source and
 object form.

 The MIT license also has the virtue of being brief and easy to understand :)

 Then, later, when there has been time to review and sanitize the
 source code, you would be able to include the source in the
 distribution under the same license.

 -Ted.

 On 3/8/06, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm sorry for OT, but I am pretty stupid with legal stuff, and after
  carefully reading gnu und apache license packages I am as unknowing as
  I was before. Here my problem:
 
  I am trying to convince one of my customers to make some of the libs I
  wrote for him public available. For process reasons the source code of
  the libs will not be available, only the jars would be available and
  redistributeable. I thought publishing the jar under the LGPL would
  make it, but after reading http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.html I'm
  starting to doubt it.
 
  Since we must have many experts in licensing here, I think there is no
  better place to ask :-)
 
  The jars would be free for copy, modification, usage, all the gpl
  stuff, but not available in sourcecode. This is because the company,
  which owns the code, has to make additional reporting to the
  headquarters in case they would publish the source code and ensure,
  that there are no comments in the source code, that contain
  non-disclosure information. Publishing the jars only would be lot of
  easier for them, and the probability, that they would do it, is
  higher. So under which license do they need to publish the jars?
 
  Or is it something which can be achieved by a trick? Creating a dummy
  application which contains the jars and put the application under
  lgpl, therefore providing source code for the application, but no
  source code for the libs?
 
  any help is highly appreciated
 
  regards
  leon
 
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Re: [OT] Question about licensing

2006-03-08 Thread Michael Jouravlev
The following post contains no value :-)

On 3/8/06, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 For process reasons the source code of
 the libs will not be available

 The jars would be free for copy, modification, usage,
  ^
How can you allow modification without source code?

 This is because the company,
 which owns the code, has to make additional reporting to the
 headquarters in case they would publish the source code and ensure,
 that there are no comments in the source code, that contain
 non-disclosure information.

This is a really stupid reason ;-) I am curious is there a tool that
strips out comments from the source code? The code itself can be
easily reverse-engineered.

Michael.

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Re: [OT] Question about licensing

2006-03-08 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On 3/8/06, Michael Jouravlev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The following post contains no value :-)

 On 3/8/06, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  For process reasons the source code of
  the libs will not be available

  The jars would be free for copy, modification, usage,
   ^
 How can you allow modification without source code?

the scenario is that someone familar with the code (like me) creates a
open source application and the jars are allowed for distribution.


  This is because the company,
  which owns the code, has to make additional reporting to the
  headquarters in case they would publish the source code and ensure,
  that there are no comments in the source code, that contain
  non-disclosure information.

 This is a really stupid reason ;-) I am curious is there a tool that
 strips out comments from the source code? The code itself can be
 easily reverse-engineered.

well, yes you are right, but:
we are part of one of largest german companies and the politics are
partly more important than common sense. In case someone someday
questions the decision it would be easier to find a legatimation this
way. Don't aks me why :-)
After all I find it most important to have the jars this way as not to
have them at all :-)


 Michael.


leon

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