Re: Alternative Windows service installer package
> Mark Thomas wrote: > Generally, Tomcat's source code is provided under the ALv2. Normally, > the answer would be "The ALv2 gives you all the permissions you need.". > However..., those files all contain the Tomcat logo which is a trademark > so section 6 applies which means the ALv2 does not give you permission > to use those files. In the meantime, I have updated the installer to use the "powered by" logo instead of the other one: http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/pb-tomcat.jpg Will that be acceptable? Thanks Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Alternative Windows service installer package
On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM Mark Thomas wrote: > No need to be a commmitter. Your message has been moderate through. > Expect the PMC to discuss it and then respond. Understood; thank you. > The upgrades looked to be the most obvious feature difference. That > raises questions about whether we should install Tomcat into separate > CATALINA_HOME / CATALINA_BASE by default as that makes upgrades and > downgrades trivial. The way I envision it working the best for most people is to use the same appid so that upgrades replace the existing installed version (this is the usual behavior for most application installs on Windows). Some other features: * To install a new service instance, run the installer again, select to install a service instance, specify new service parameters, and complete the install. The new service instance will be installed side-by-side with existing service instances. * Upgrading will upgrade all service instances to the new version (because the files get upgraded). * Uninstall will remove all service instances for that version. (Individual service instance removal is not currently supported from the installer - removing an individual service instance would need to be done manually outside of the installer.) * Upgrades can occur with service(s) running; installer will stop the service(s), replacing the files, and start the service(s) again. It gets a little more complex if an application requires an old version of Tomcat but they want to install a later version on the same OS instance. In that case the admin will need to do some manual work to keep a copy of the old version. (As an aside: Another feature difference is support for silent installation with command-line support for all options that appear in the installer GUI.) Regards, Bill - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Alternative Windows service installer package
On 18/12/2019 15:14, Bill Stewart wrote: > Mark Thomas wrote: > >>> Question 1: Do I need to get permission to use these images from ASF if > I >>> host the installer publicly, and if so how would I do that? >> >> Generally, Tomcat's source code is provided under the ALv2. Normally, >> the answer would be "The ALv2 gives you all the permissions you need.". >> However..., those files all contain the Tomcat logo which is a trademark >> so section 6 applies which means the ALv2 does not give you permission >> to use those files. >> >> So that leads us to: >> http://tomcat.apache.org/legal.html >> >> and you need to ask the PMC. The PMC can be contacted via the private >> (i.e. there is no public archive) mailing list priv...@tomcat.apache.org >> >> To save a few emails, you'll need to provide: >> >> - The name you propose using for this installer >> - Any changes made to the Tomcat source >> - A mock-up of how you'd like to use the images (or a link to a copy of >> the installer if that is easier) >> - Details of how upgrade is implemented > > Thank you. Do I need to be a committer to join that list? No need to be a commmitter. Your message has been moderate through. Expect the PMC to discuss it and then respond. >> Personally, I'd be more interested in patches to the NSIS installer. > > Understood, but it seems that the NSIS installer doesn't offer as many > features and would need to be overhauled. The upgrades looked to be the most obvious feature difference. That raises questions about whether we should install Tomcat into separate CATALINA_HOME / CATALINA_BASE by default as that makes upgrades and downgrades trivial. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Alternative Windows service installer package
Mark Thomas wrote: > > Question 1: Do I need to get permission to use these images from ASF if I > > host the installer publicly, and if so how would I do that? > > Generally, Tomcat's source code is provided under the ALv2. Normally, > the answer would be "The ALv2 gives you all the permissions you need.". > However..., those files all contain the Tomcat logo which is a trademark > so section 6 applies which means the ALv2 does not give you permission > to use those files. > > So that leads us to: > http://tomcat.apache.org/legal.html > > and you need to ask the PMC. The PMC can be contacted via the private > (i.e. there is no public archive) mailing list priv...@tomcat.apache.org > > To save a few emails, you'll need to provide: > > - The name you propose using for this installer > - Any changes made to the Tomcat source > - A mock-up of how you'd like to use the images (or a link to a copy of > the installer if that is easier) > - Details of how upgrade is implemented Thank you. Do I need to be a committer to join that list? > Personally, I'd be more interested in patches to the NSIS installer. Understood, but it seems that the NSIS installer doesn't offer as many features and would need to be overhauled. Regards, Bill
Re: Alternative Windows service installer package
On 16/12/2019 19:41, Bill Stewart wrote: > Question 1: Do I need to get permission to use these images from ASF if I > host the installer publicly, and if so how would I do that? Generally, Tomcat's source code is provided under the ALv2. Normally, the answer would be "The ALv2 gives you all the permissions you need.". However..., those files all contain the Tomcat logo which is a trademark so section 6 applies which means the ALv2 does not give you permission to use those files. So that leads us to: http://tomcat.apache.org/legal.html and you need to ask the PMC. The PMC can be contacted via the private (i.e. there is no public archive) mailing list priv...@tomcat.apache.org To save a few emails, you'll need to provide: - The name you propose using for this installer - Any changes made to the Tomcat source - A mock-up of how you'd like to use the images (or a link to a copy of the installer if that is easier) - Details of how upgrade is implemented > Question 2: Is anyone interested in this alternative installer? Personally, I'd be more interested in patches to the NSIS installer. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
