Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
On 25/01/18 12:08, Alex O'Ree wrote: > Understanding web.xml > > Understanding webapps without web.xml > > Security, authn and authz, ldap setups > > fIle system permissions Thanks. I've added those topics to the list of modules where I (currently) think they fit best. Stuff may bget moved around as we start writing these modules and have a better idea of how much material is in each one. Mark > > On Jan 25, 2018 6:04 AM, "Mark Thomas" <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On 08/01/18 09:39, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> On 05/01/18 22:09, Don Flinn wrote: >>>> Hi Mark, >>>> >>>> I think this is an excellent and useful task. The first step is to >> define >>>> the audiences of which I would like to suggest five. >>>> >>>> 1. Experienced System administrators with experience in security and SSL >>>> 2. Experienced System administrators with no or little experience in >>>> security and SSL >>>> 3 Non system administrators with experience in security and SSL >>>> 4. Non system administrators with no or little experience in security >> and >>>> SSL >>>> 5. Overarching each of the above is the different CAs that might be used >>> >>> You could probably break down the audience in a similar manner for most >>> of the Tomcat topics. >>> >>>> A question would be are audiences 3 and 4 populated. I for one fall >>>> somewhere between 3 and 4, but maybe I'm the only one. It seems to me >> that >>>> small companies would fall into 3 and 4. A big further complication is >>>> item 5, which applies to each of the others. >>> >>> Indeed. The general idea would be to write material that covers all of >>> these and then adjust what is actually taught to the particular audience. >>> >>>> I wrote a short write-up to this site about a month age addressing >>>> audiences 2, 3 and 4, mostly 4 and was told that this was not what was >>>> wanted, that all the information was somewhere on the web. That is true >>>> but trying to find it, absorb and apply it is difficult. >>> >>> We do try and keep the docs succinct and direct users elsewhere for >>> background. I remember that write up - it is similar to the content of >>> the intro to TLS presentation I have given previously. It is the sort of >>> content we would want to include in the training course. >>> >>> More generally, I'm updating the wiki with the suggestions as I spot >>> them on the mailing list. Please do keep the suggestions coming and ping >>> me if I miss something. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Don >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat >>>>> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. >>>>> material that would be made freely available for folks to use. >>>>> >>>>> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as >> well >>>>> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material >>>>> face to face. >>>>> >>>>> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in >>>>> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different >> needs. >>>>> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an >>>>> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to >>>>> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. >>>>> >>>>> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the >>>>> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my >>>>> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now >>>>> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. >>>>> >>>>> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am >>>>> reaching out to the community for help. >>>>> >>>>> The first step is to come with: >>>>> - a list of modules >>>>> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules >>>>> >>>>> I am asking for your ideas for modules,
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
Understanding web.xml Understanding webapps without web.xml Security, authn and authz, ldap setups fIle system permissions On Jan 25, 2018 6:04 AM, "Mark Thomas" <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > On 08/01/18 09:39, Mark Thomas wrote: > > On 05/01/18 22:09, Don Flinn wrote: > >> Hi Mark, > >> > >> I think this is an excellent and useful task. The first step is to > define > >> the audiences of which I would like to suggest five. > >> > >> 1. Experienced System administrators with experience in security and SSL > >> 2. Experienced System administrators with no or little experience in > >> security and SSL > >> 3 Non system administrators with experience in security and SSL > >> 4. Non system administrators with no or little experience in security > and > >> SSL > >> 5. Overarching each of the above is the different CAs that might be used > > > > You could probably break down the audience in a similar manner for most > > of the Tomcat topics. > > > >> A question would be are audiences 3 and 4 populated. I for one fall > >> somewhere between 3 and 4, but maybe I'm the only one. It seems to me > that > >> small companies would fall into 3 and 4. A big further complication is > >> item 5, which applies to each of the others. > > > > Indeed. The general idea would be to write material that covers all of > > these and then adjust what is actually taught to the particular audience. > > > >> I wrote a short write-up to this site about a month age addressing > >> audiences 2, 3 and 4, mostly 4 and was told that this was not what was > >> wanted, that all the information was somewhere on the web. That is true > >> but trying to find it, absorb and apply it is difficult. > > > > We do try and keep the docs succinct and direct users elsewhere for > > background. I remember that write up - it is similar to the content of > > the intro to TLS presentation I have given previously. It is the sort of > > content we would want to include in the training course. > > > > More generally, I'm updating the wiki with the suggestions as I spot > > them on the mailing list. Please do keep the suggestions coming and ping > > me if I miss something. > > > > Mark > > > > > >> > >> Don > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat > >>> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. > >>> material that would be made freely available for folks to use. > >>> > >>> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as > well > >>> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material > >>> face to face. > >>> > >>> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in > >>> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different > needs. > >>> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an > >>> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to > >>> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. > >>> > >>> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the > >>> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my > >>> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now > >>> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. > >>> > >>> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am > >>> reaching out to the community for help. > >>> > >>> The first step is to come with: > >>> - a list of modules > >>> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules > >>> > >>> I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of > >>> modules that could make up those courses. > >>> > >>> We have a blank wiki page to host this: > >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/ > Tomcat+Training+Course > >>> > >>> Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an > >>> account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or > >>> add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. > >>> &g
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
On 08/01/18 09:39, Mark Thomas wrote: > On 05/01/18 22:09, Don Flinn wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> I think this is an excellent and useful task. The first step is to define >> the audiences of which I would like to suggest five. >> >> 1. Experienced System administrators with experience in security and SSL >> 2. Experienced System administrators with no or little experience in >> security and SSL >> 3 Non system administrators with experience in security and SSL >> 4. Non system administrators with no or little experience in security and >> SSL >> 5. Overarching each of the above is the different CAs that might be used > > You could probably break down the audience in a similar manner for most > of the Tomcat topics. > >> A question would be are audiences 3 and 4 populated. I for one fall >> somewhere between 3 and 4, but maybe I'm the only one. It seems to me that >> small companies would fall into 3 and 4. A big further complication is >> item 5, which applies to each of the others. > > Indeed. The general idea would be to write material that covers all of > these and then adjust what is actually taught to the particular audience. > >> I wrote a short write-up to this site about a month age addressing >> audiences 2, 3 and 4, mostly 4 and was told that this was not what was >> wanted, that all the information was somewhere on the web. That is true >> but trying to find it, absorb and apply it is difficult. > > We do try and keep the docs succinct and direct users elsewhere for > background. I remember that write up - it is similar to the content of > the intro to TLS presentation I have given previously. It is the sort of > content we would want to include in the training course. > > More generally, I'm updating the wiki with the suggestions as I spot > them on the mailing list. Please do keep the suggestions coming and ping > me if I miss something. > > Mark > > >> >> Don >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat >>> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. >>> material that would be made freely available for folks to use. >>> >>> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well >>> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material >>> face to face. >>> >>> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in >>> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. >>> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an >>> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to >>> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. >>> >>> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the >>> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my >>> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now >>> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. >>> >>> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am >>> reaching out to the community for help. >>> >>> The first step is to come with: >>> - a list of modules >>> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules >>> >>> I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of >>> modules that could make up those courses. >>> >>> We have a blank wiki page to host this: >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course >>> >>> Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an >>> account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or >>> add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. >>> >>> The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. >>> As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat >>> training course in late March / early April using this material. My >>> current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per >>> person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: >>> - Cardiff >>> - Birmingham >>> - Manchester >>> - Glasgow >>> (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond) >>> >>> My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
On 05/01/18 22:09, Don Flinn wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I think this is an excellent and useful task. The first step is to define > the audiences of which I would like to suggest five. > > 1. Experienced System administrators with experience in security and SSL > 2. Experienced System administrators with no or little experience in > security and SSL > 3 Non system administrators with experience in security and SSL > 4. Non system administrators with no or little experience in security and > SSL > 5. Overarching each of the above is the different CAs that might be used You could probably break down the audience in a similar manner for most of the Tomcat topics. > A question would be are audiences 3 and 4 populated. I for one fall > somewhere between 3 and 4, but maybe I'm the only one. It seems to me that > small companies would fall into 3 and 4. A big further complication is > item 5, which applies to each of the others. Indeed. The general idea would be to write material that covers all of these and then adjust what is actually taught to the particular audience. > I wrote a short write-up to this site about a month age addressing > audiences 2, 3 and 4, mostly 4 and was told that this was not what was > wanted, that all the information was somewhere on the web. That is true > but trying to find it, absorb and apply it is difficult. We do try and keep the docs succinct and direct users elsewhere for background. I remember that write up - it is similar to the content of the intro to TLS presentation I have given previously. It is the sort of content we would want to include in the training course. More generally, I'm updating the wiki with the suggestions as I spot them on the mailing list. Please do keep the suggestions coming and ping me if I miss something. Mark > > Don > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat >> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. >> material that would be made freely available for folks to use. >> >> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well >> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material >> face to face. >> >> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in >> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. >> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an >> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to >> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. >> >> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the >> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my >> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now >> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. >> >> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am >> reaching out to the community for help. >> >> The first step is to come with: >> - a list of modules >> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules >> >> I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of >> modules that could make up those courses. >> >> We have a blank wiki page to host this: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course >> >> Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an >> account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or >> add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. >> >> The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. >> As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat >> training course in late March / early April using this material. My >> current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per >> person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: >> - Cardiff >> - Birmingham >> - Manchester >> - Glasgow >> (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond) >> >> My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable >> and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take >> this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book. >> >> I look forward to all your ideas. >> >> Mark >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
On 04.01.2018 14:01, Mark Thomas wrote: On 04/01/18 11:31, Marek Czernek wrote: Hi Mark, I think this is a great idea. Before doing any brainstorming though, I wonder about the following: 1. Who'd be the target audience? And what skill level would you want to target? Any pre-requisites? The short version is whatever the Tomcat community (i.e. the members of this list) would find most useful. Possible examples that come to mind are: - an introductory course for an experienced sysadmin that knows nothing about Tomcat - in depth trouble-shooting I've started working on such a course outline and a few chapters, indeed for a training course specifically for sysadmins. It's probably not in a state that makes sense sharing, as different chapters are in different stages of outline/script/completion, and making sense of them will be significant work. I didn't think about a license for it - it was meant as "testing the waters" of online training rather than "get rich fast", so I wouldn't mind the Apache License on it. It got a bit on the backburner now that I'm working on company e-learning, scratching that itch. If this training gets traction, I'd happily pull out what's worth and can finally contribute to the platform that I'm using for more than 15 years - count me in. The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat training course in late March / early April using this material. My current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: - Cardiff - Birmingham - Manchester - Glasgow (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond) That's quite ambitious timing (for me). I probably won't be able to put in much during this time - I'd be interested though and trust that you're updating us here on the progress. As I'm working on software training in my daily life, and love it, I'd like to join forces, just can't commit for too much help end of March. Olaf My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book. I look forward to all your ideas. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
Hi Mark, I think this is an excellent and useful task. The first step is to define the audiences of which I would like to suggest five. 1. Experienced System administrators with experience in security and SSL 2. Experienced System administrators with no or little experience in security and SSL 3 Non system administrators with experience in security and SSL 4. Non system administrators with no or little experience in security and SSL 5. Overarching each of the above is the different CAs that might be used A question would be are audiences 3 and 4 populated. I for one fall somewhere between 3 and 4, but maybe I'm the only one. It seems to me that small companies would fall into 3 and 4. A big further complication is item 5, which applies to each of the others. I wrote a short write-up to this site about a month age addressing audiences 2, 3 and 4, mostly 4 and was told that this was not what was wanted, that all the information was somewhere on the web. That is true but trying to find it, absorb and apply it is difficult. Don On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > Hi, > > One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat > training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. > material that would be made freely available for folks to use. > > I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well > as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material > face to face. > > The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in > length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. > e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an > 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to > provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. > > I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the > various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my > employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now > possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. > > I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am > reaching out to the community for help. > > The first step is to come with: > - a list of modules > - potential courses formed from combinations of modules > > I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of > modules that could make up those courses. > > We have a blank wiki page to host this: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course > > Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an > account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or > add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. > > The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. > As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat > training course in late March / early April using this material. My > current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per > person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: > - Cardiff > - Birmingham > - Manchester > - Glasgow > (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond) > > My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable > and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take > this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book. > > I look forward to all your ideas. > > Mark > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org > >
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote: > On 04/01/18 11:31, Marek Czernek wrote: >> Hi Mark, >> >> I think this is a great idea. Before doing any brainstorming though, I >> wonder about the following: >> >> 1. Who'd be the target audience? And what skill level would you want to >>target? Any pre-requisites? People that ask questions on freenode :) > The short version is whatever the Tomcat community (i.e. the members of > this list) would find most useful. Possible examples that come to mind are: > - an introductory course for an experienced sysadmin that knows nothing > about Tomcat > - in depth trouble-shooting > > But rather than just my random ideas, I'd love to hear what the > community wants. I can try and compile a list of questions from my IRC scrollback to add as ideas. I also started a quickstarts repo on github but that's mostly focused on tomcat embedded since there isn't much in the way of examples around. I also considered working on interactive courses and putting them on https://katacoda.com/. > >> 2. Should it be purely Tomcat, or do you want to talk about various >>frameworks that integrate with Tomcat in some manner? (Hibernate >>comes to mind, for example) > > This is is easy. Purely Tomcat. > >> 3. What goals would you like to achieve? I.e., would you want to create >>a course for a community and potential future contributors, or would >>your goal be a course for experts to get things done asap? Imho >>those two goals require different approaches. If the answer is >>'both', that could be sub-optimal (though understandable). Or do you >>imagine completely different goal(s)? > > My original thinking was training for end users of any/all levels. > However, if there was interest we could add some modules on how to > become a contributor, committer, PMC member etc. +1, I sometimes get questions about how to contribute, become a committer, etc and share my experience (and the CONTRIBUTING guide on github), but having a more formal document on what to do for our project would be nice. > >> My main question is 'WHY'. What is the hole we're trying to fill in. Do >> you want people to have quick yet quite deep understanding of basic >> concepts and fundamentals? Do you want people to be more excited about >> Tomcat? Do you want to shed light on an obscure integration pattern that >> is highly useful? Do you want to create a certification that would be >> beneficial for job interviews? Some of the answers might be >> complimentary, but a lot of them are almost opposite to each other, imho. > > Why? Because I think that there is a community demand for this. I once > ran a Tomcat training course at ApacheCon for which I did ZERO marketing > (the only marketing was that it was listed as an option when registering > - and an expensive option at that) and ~15 people signed up. > > I want to help people understand how to use Tomcat. Hopefully, a > side-effect will be that even more great people show up here. > > I'm not interested in creating a certification or anything similar. > > HTH explain my thinking. > > Mark > > >> >> >> On 01/04/2018 11:16 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat >>> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. >>> material that would be made freely available for folks to use. >>> >>> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well >>> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material >>> face to face. >>> >>> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in >>> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. >>> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an >>> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to >>> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. >>> >>> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the >>> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my >>> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now >>> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. >>> >>> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am >>> reaching out to the community for help. >>> >>> The first step is to come with: >>> - a list of modules >>> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules >>
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
On 04.01.2018 14:01, Mark Thomas wrote: On 04/01/18 11:31, Marek Czernek wrote: Hi Mark, I think this is a great idea. Before doing any brainstorming though, I wonder about the following: 1. Who'd be the target audience? And what skill level would you want to target? Any pre-requisites? The short version is whatever the Tomcat community (i.e. the members of this list) would find most useful. Possible examples that come to mind are: - an introductory course for an experienced sysadmin that knows nothing about Tomcat Suggestion : explain to an experienced sysadmin who knows nothing about Tomcat or Java (but a lot about system utilities etc) how to set up a coherent and easy-to-manage logging system for tomcat (and applications therein), including (safe) log rotation, archiving, cleanup etc. - in depth trouble-shooting But rather than just my random ideas, I'd love to hear what the community wants. 2. Should it be purely Tomcat, or do you want to talk about various frameworks that integrate with Tomcat in some manner? (Hibernate comes to mind, for example) This is is easy. Purely Tomcat. 3. What goals would you like to achieve? I.e., would you want to create a course for a community and potential future contributors, or would your goal be a course for experts to get things done asap? Imho those two goals require different approaches. If the answer is 'both', that could be sub-optimal (though understandable). Or do you imagine completely different goal(s)? My original thinking was training for end users of any/all levels. However, if there was interest we could add some modules on how to become a contributor, committer, PMC member etc. My main question is 'WHY'. What is the hole we're trying to fill in. Do you want people to have quick yet quite deep understanding of basic concepts and fundamentals? Do you want people to be more excited about Tomcat? Do you want to shed light on an obscure integration pattern that is highly useful? Do you want to create a certification that would be beneficial for job interviews? Some of the answers might be complimentary, but a lot of them are almost opposite to each other, imho. Why? Because I think that there is a community demand for this. I once ran a Tomcat training course at ApacheCon for which I did ZERO marketing (the only marketing was that it was listed as an option when registering - and an expensive option at that) and ~15 people signed up. I want to help people understand how to use Tomcat. Hopefully, a side-effect will be that even more great people show up here. I'm not interested in creating a certification or anything similar. HTH explain my thinking. Mark On 01/04/2018 11:16 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: Hi, One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. material that would be made freely available for folks to use. I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material face to face. The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am reaching out to the community for help. The first step is to come with: - a list of modules - potential courses formed from combinations of modules I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of modules that could make up those courses. We have a blank wiki page to host this: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat training course in late March / early April using this material. My current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: - Cardiff - Birmingham - Manchester - Glasgow (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond) My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take this feedback, put
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
On 04/01/18 11:31, Marek Czernek wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I think this is a great idea. Before doing any brainstorming though, I > wonder about the following: > > 1. Who'd be the target audience? And what skill level would you want to > target? Any pre-requisites? The short version is whatever the Tomcat community (i.e. the members of this list) would find most useful. Possible examples that come to mind are: - an introductory course for an experienced sysadmin that knows nothing about Tomcat - in depth trouble-shooting But rather than just my random ideas, I'd love to hear what the community wants. > 2. Should it be purely Tomcat, or do you want to talk about various > frameworks that integrate with Tomcat in some manner? (Hibernate > comes to mind, for example) This is is easy. Purely Tomcat. > 3. What goals would you like to achieve? I.e., would you want to create > a course for a community and potential future contributors, or would > your goal be a course for experts to get things done asap? Imho > those two goals require different approaches. If the answer is > 'both', that could be sub-optimal (though understandable). Or do you > imagine completely different goal(s)? My original thinking was training for end users of any/all levels. However, if there was interest we could add some modules on how to become a contributor, committer, PMC member etc. > My main question is 'WHY'. What is the hole we're trying to fill in. Do > you want people to have quick yet quite deep understanding of basic > concepts and fundamentals? Do you want people to be more excited about > Tomcat? Do you want to shed light on an obscure integration pattern that > is highly useful? Do you want to create a certification that would be > beneficial for job interviews? Some of the answers might be > complimentary, but a lot of them are almost opposite to each other, imho. Why? Because I think that there is a community demand for this. I once ran a Tomcat training course at ApacheCon for which I did ZERO marketing (the only marketing was that it was listed as an option when registering - and an expensive option at that) and ~15 people signed up. I want to help people understand how to use Tomcat. Hopefully, a side-effect will be that even more great people show up here. I'm not interested in creating a certification or anything similar. HTH explain my thinking. Mark > > > On 01/04/2018 11:16 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: >> Hi, >> >> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat >> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. >> material that would be made freely available for folks to use. >> >> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well >> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material >> face to face. >> >> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in >> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. >> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an >> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to >> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. >> >> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the >> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my >> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now >> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. >> >> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am >> reaching out to the community for help. >> >> The first step is to come with: >> - a list of modules >> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules >> >> I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of >> modules that could make up those courses. >> >> We have a blank wiki page to host this: >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course >> >> Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an >> account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or >> add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. >> >> The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. >> As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat >> training course in late March / early April using this material. My >> current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per >> person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: >> - Cardiff >> - Birmingham >> - Manchester >> - Glasgow
Re: ALv2 Tomcat Training material
Hi Mark, I think this is a great idea. Before doing any brainstorming though, I wonder about the following: 1. Who'd be the target audience? And what skill level would you want to target? Any pre-requisites? 2. Should it be purely Tomcat, or do you want to talk about various frameworks that integrate with Tomcat in some manner? (Hibernate comes to mind, for example) 3. What goals would you like to achieve? I.e., would you want to create a course for a community and potential future contributors, or would your goal be a course for experts to get things done asap? Imho those two goals require different approaches. If the answer is 'both', that could be sub-optimal (though understandable). Or do you imagine completely different goal(s)? My main question is 'WHY'. What is the hole we're trying to fill in. Do you want people to have quick yet quite deep understanding of basic concepts and fundamentals? Do you want people to be more excited about Tomcat? Do you want to shed light on an obscure integration pattern that is highly useful? Do you want to create a certification that would be beneficial for job interviews? Some of the answers might be complimentary, but a lot of them are almost opposite to each other, imho. On 01/04/2018 11:16 AM, Mark Thomas wrote: Hi, One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. material that would be made freely available for folks to use. I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material face to face. The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am reaching out to the community for help. The first step is to come with: - a list of modules - potential courses formed from combinations of modules I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of modules that could make up those courses. We have a blank wiki page to host this: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat training course in late March / early April using this material. My current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: - Cardiff - Birmingham - Manchester - Glasgow (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond) My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book. I look forward to all your ideas. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org -- Marek Czernek Associate Quality Engineer
ALv2 Tomcat Training material
Hi, One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e. material that would be made freely available for folks to use. I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material face to face. The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs. e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc. I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses. I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am reaching out to the community for help. The first step is to come with: - a list of modules - potential courses formed from combinations of modules I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of modules that could make up those courses. We have a blank wiki page to host this: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page. The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content. As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat training course in late March / early April using this material. My current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are: - Cardiff - Birmingham - Manchester - Glasgow (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and beyond) My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book. I look forward to all your ideas. Mark - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Training
On 04.03.2016 17:58, Christopher Schultz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul, On 3/3/16 11:39 AM, Brookbanks, Paul wrote: Could someone in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada area recommend a place that provides tomcat administrative training. I would consider online training but prefer an “in-class” environment. Specific need: Multiple instance installation, management, and monitoring. Come to ApacheCon NA in Vancouver, BC in May: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america I'll (likely) be giving a talk on monitoring Apache Tomcat and (separately) working with Tomcat's new container-managed authentication framework. I'm not sure about any other presentations, specifically, but there will likely be more Tomcat-related material at the conference. There's also the "hallway track" where you can corner various knowledgeable people and ask about how to do particular things. Recently, the Tomcat community (actually, just markt) has been presenting semi-regular webinars that are about 20 minutes long. Have a look at this page for more information: http://tomcat.apache.org/presentations.html One of the items not specifically on that list is "how to do multi-instance installation", though it will certainly be covered under "how to set up Tomcat so as to make upgrades easier". I'd be willing to do that presentation... I just need some time to get it together and we can schedule a webinar for it. In a quite recent post, Mark also provided a link to a presentation he made in the past about front-end/back-end configurations, which may be relevant. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Re: Tomcat Training
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul, On 3/3/16 11:39 AM, Brookbanks, Paul wrote: > Could someone in the Toronto, Ontario, Canada area recommend a > place that provides tomcat administrative training. I would > consider online training but prefer an “in-class” environment. > Specific need: Multiple instance installation, management, and > monitoring. Come to ApacheCon NA in Vancouver, BC in May: http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america I'll (likely) be giving a talk on monitoring Apache Tomcat and (separately) working with Tomcat's new container-managed authentication framework. I'm not sure about any other presentations, specifically, but there will likely be more Tomcat-related material at the conference. There's also the "hallway track" where you can corner various knowledgeable people and ask about how to do particular things. Recently, the Tomcat community (actually, just markt) has been presenting semi-regular webinars that are about 20 minutes long. Have a look at this page for more information: http://tomcat.apache.org/presentations.html One of the items not specifically on that list is "how to do multi-instance installation", though it will certainly be covered under "how to set up Tomcat so as to make upgrades easier". I'd be willing to do that presentation... I just need some time to get it together and we can schedule a webinar for it. - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlbZvqgACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PBiDQCeP6e/Aivzbol7b3ZwHSY3DCIY Ch4AoKrXnKOW7nDpdH5+KKjOccj72Gjd =r/RY -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
Tomcat Training
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Re: Tomcat training at ApacheCon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin, On 10/6/2009 4:38 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: bit of a stretch for folks on the east coast or midwest Er... it's a conference, not a traveling carnival. If you want to see the presentations, attend the conference (or hope the presenters are kind enough to publish their presentations online). - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrNBhcACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PBojgCgn8WhXaj6FB0xNMWMc9pAkcLe 610An0OtDxlUFxAnMVxjg4kdW6h1IHHh =C1rj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat training at ApacheCon
the springsource folks provide occasional presentations and lectures here in the east ..then again if they publish on youtube we could all see it.. Martin Gainty __ Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen. Ce message est confidentiel et peut être privilégié. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire informez l'expéditeur. N'importe quelle diffusion non autorisée ou la copie de ceci est interdite. Ce message sert à l'information seulement et n'aura pas n'importe quel effet légalement obligatoire. Étant donné que les email peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni. Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:20:23 -0400 From: ch...@christopherschultz.net To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Tomcat training at ApacheCon -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin, On 10/6/2009 4:38 PM, Martin Gainty wrote: bit of a stretch for folks on the east coast or midwest Er... it's a conference, not a traveling carnival. If you want to see the presentations, attend the conference (or hope the presenters are kind enough to publish their presentations online). - -chris -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrNBhcACgkQ9CaO5/Lv0PBojgCgn8WhXaj6FB0xNMWMc9pAkcLe 610An0OtDxlUFxAnMVxjg4kdW6h1IHHh =C1rj -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
Tomcat training at ApacheCon
In addition to the Tomcat Track, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/schedule#tomcat , we are also putting on a 2 day Tomcat training, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/sessions/452 , It's a great track for both administrators and developers and goes above and beyond just the configuration files. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly. A recent feathercast about the Tomcat training. http://feathercast.org/?p=86 best Filip - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat training at ApacheCon
sounds great..any sessions for chicago,ny,boston or dc? thanks, Martin Gainty __ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:30:20 -0600 From: devli...@hanik.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat training at ApacheCon In addition to the Tomcat Track, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/schedule#tomcat , we are also putting on a 2 day Tomcat training, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/sessions/452 , It's a great track for both administrators and developers and goes above and beyond just the configuration files. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly. A recent feathercast about the Tomcat training. http://feathercast.org/?p=86 best Filip - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
Re: Tomcat training at ApacheCon
On 10/06/2009 10:55 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: sounds great..any sessions for chicago,ny,boston or dc? for ApacheCon? none planned that I know of. thanks, Martin Gainty __ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:30:20 -0600 From: devli...@hanik.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat training at ApacheCon In addition to the Tomcat Track, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/schedule#tomcat , we are also putting on a 2 day Tomcat training, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/sessions/452 , It's a great track for both administrators and developers and goes above and beyond just the configuration files. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly. A recent feathercast about the Tomcat training. http://feathercast.org/?p=86 best Filip - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org
RE: Tomcat training at ApacheCon
bit of a stretch for folks on the east coast or midwest thanks filip, Martin Gainty __ Please do not alter/modify or disrupt this transmission. Thank You Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:45:53 -0600 From: devli...@hanik.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Re: Tomcat training at ApacheCon On 10/06/2009 10:55 AM, Martin Gainty wrote: sounds great..any sessions for chicago,ny,boston or dc? for ApacheCon? none planned that I know of. thanks, Martin Gainty __ Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 07:30:20 -0600 From: devli...@hanik.com To: users@tomcat.apache.org Subject: Tomcat training at ApacheCon In addition to the Tomcat Track, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/schedule#tomcat , we are also putting on a 2 day Tomcat training, http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/sessions/452 , It's a great track for both administrators and developers and goes above and beyond just the configuration files. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly. A recent feathercast about the Tomcat training. http://feathercast.org/?p=86 best Filip - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tomcat.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tomcat.apache.org _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
Tomcat Training at ApacheCon
Ladies and gentlemen, I am teaching a Tomcat class at ApacheCon, New Orleans and there are still spots left. It's a two day training, going from novice to very experienced in a gradual way over the two days. http://us.apachecon.com/c/acus2008/sessions/13 Filip - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat Training Recommendations?
what kind of training? just documentation i have checked so far.. On 9/6/06, Jeanna Geier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi- I'm looking for some recommendations for training on Tomcat. Has anyone out there attended any training and have any recommendations (good or bad)? Thanks, -Jeanna
Tomcat Training Recommendations?
Hi- I'm looking for some recommendations for training on Tomcat. Has anyone out there attended any training and have any recommendations (good or bad)? Thanks, -Jeanna
