Re: Guide for html designers

2008-03-06 Thread Alex Jacoby
Thanks for all the advice -- guess I'll see how it goes, possibly post  
something to the wiki if it seems to be useful.


Alex

On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:58 AM, Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael wrote:

Yeah thats the usual way.. But still if you panalize a lot, tweaking  
for them could become a little hard. But I guess if you spend a  
little hour with them they should not have those trouble..


Johan Compagner wrote:

most of the time at least as far as i know
you work the other way around.

First the webdeveloper then the programmer
And maybe after that the webdeveloper only tweaks. But he can do  
that just

fine he just should leave the wicket tags alone

johan



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Re: Guide for html designers

2008-03-06 Thread Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
Yeah thats the usual way.. But still if you panalize a lot, tweaking for 
them could become a little hard. But I guess if you spend a little hour 
with them they should not have those trouble..


Johan Compagner wrote:

most of the time at least as far as i know
you work the other way around.

First the webdeveloper then the programmer
And maybe after that the webdeveloper only tweaks. But he can do that just
fine he just should leave the wicket tags alone

johan



On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Alex Jacoby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Heh, slight misunderstanding -- I *am* the programmer, and my site is
just about done, and I'm going to be passing it on to the web folk
(HTML, CSS, graphics people who don't program) to prettify it asap.

I know that it will involve me teaching them some of the basics of
wicket, but I was wondering if there were resources out there for
helping in this type of situation... a "Wicket for non-programmers"
type guide.  I've written a few pages so far...

Thanks again for the suggestions,
Alex

On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Ned Collyer wrote:



A web designer being a graphics or a HTML guy (or a combination
thereof)?

Seriously tho, design your site, give the output to the programmer to
"wicket up".

I don't see how wicket will work for you if you don't understand the
basic
bits of java.  If you do, the tutorials and examples on the website
http://wicket.apache.org/examples.html then that should be an easy
enough
stepping stone to forage deeper.

Things you are probably interested in are panels, borders, includes
and
fragments.
http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13/compref/

But I think you will find it tough with zero java knowledge.  It may
work
well if you are working with a programmer :), but solo - good luck!
  

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Re: Guide for html designers

2008-03-06 Thread Johan Compagner
most of the time at least as far as i know
you work the other way around.

First the webdeveloper then the programmer
And maybe after that the webdeveloper only tweaks. But he can do that just
fine he just should leave the wicket tags alone

johan



On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:10 AM, Alex Jacoby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Heh, slight misunderstanding -- I *am* the programmer, and my site is
> just about done, and I'm going to be passing it on to the web folk
> (HTML, CSS, graphics people who don't program) to prettify it asap.
>
> I know that it will involve me teaching them some of the basics of
> wicket, but I was wondering if there were resources out there for
> helping in this type of situation... a "Wicket for non-programmers"
> type guide.  I've written a few pages so far...
>
> Thanks again for the suggestions,
> Alex
>
> On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Ned Collyer wrote:
>
> >
> > A web designer being a graphics or a HTML guy (or a combination
> > thereof)?
> >
> > Seriously tho, design your site, give the output to the programmer to
> > "wicket up".
> >
> > I don't see how wicket will work for you if you don't understand the
> > basic
> > bits of java.  If you do, the tutorials and examples on the website
> > http://wicket.apache.org/examples.html then that should be an easy
> > enough
> > stepping stone to forage deeper.
> >
> > Things you are probably interested in are panels, borders, includes
> > and
> > fragments.
> > http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13/compref/
> >
> > But I think you will find it tough with zero java knowledge.  It may
> > work
> > well if you are working with a programmer :), but solo - good luck!
>
>
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Re: Guide for html designers

2008-03-05 Thread Nino Saturnino Martinez Vazquez Wael
I actually thought your question to be good, I think using markup 
inheritance could help some inorder for web designers since the could 
have a larger base of the html in one file..


But again all your panels html are still fragmented.

btw I belive that designers should just ignore the wicket specific tags, 
and maybe dont rely too much on id's since they could change..



regards Nino

Alex Jacoby wrote:
Heh, slight misunderstanding -- I *am* the programmer, and my site is 
just about done, and I'm going to be passing it on to the web folk 
(HTML, CSS, graphics people who don't program) to prettify it asap.


I know that it will involve me teaching them some of the basics of 
wicket, but I was wondering if there were resources out there for 
helping in this type of situation... a "Wicket for non-programmers" 
type guide.  I've written a few pages so far...


Thanks again for the suggestions,
Alex

On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Ned Collyer wrote:



A web designer being a graphics or a HTML guy (or a combination 
thereof)?


Seriously tho, design your site, give the output to the programmer to
"wicket up".

I don't see how wicket will work for you if you don't understand the 
basic

bits of java.  If you do, the tutorials and examples on the website
http://wicket.apache.org/examples.html then that should be an easy 
enough

stepping stone to forage deeper.

Things you are probably interested in are panels, borders, includes and
fragments.
http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13/compref/

But I think you will find it tough with zero java knowledge.  It may 
work

well if you are working with a programmer :), but solo - good luck!



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Re: Guide for html designers

2008-03-05 Thread Alex Jacoby
Heh, slight misunderstanding -- I *am* the programmer, and my site is  
just about done, and I'm going to be passing it on to the web folk  
(HTML, CSS, graphics people who don't program) to prettify it asap.


I know that it will involve me teaching them some of the basics of  
wicket, but I was wondering if there were resources out there for  
helping in this type of situation... a "Wicket for non-programmers"  
type guide.  I've written a few pages so far...


Thanks again for the suggestions,
Alex

On Mar 5, 2008, at 4:54 PM, Ned Collyer wrote:



A web designer being a graphics or a HTML guy (or a combination  
thereof)?


Seriously tho, design your site, give the output to the programmer to
"wicket up".

I don't see how wicket will work for you if you don't understand the  
basic

bits of java.  If you do, the tutorials and examples on the website
http://wicket.apache.org/examples.html then that should be an easy  
enough

stepping stone to forage deeper.

Things you are probably interested in are panels, borders, includes  
and

fragments.
http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13/compref/

But I think you will find it tough with zero java knowledge.  It may  
work

well if you are working with a programmer :), but solo - good luck!



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Re: Guide for html designers

2008-03-05 Thread Ned Collyer

A web designer being a graphics or a HTML guy (or a combination thereof)?

Seriously tho, design your site, give the output to the programmer to
"wicket up".

I don't see how wicket will work for you if you don't understand the basic
bits of java.  If you do, the tutorials and examples on the website
http://wicket.apache.org/examples.html then that should be an easy enough
stepping stone to forage deeper.

Things you are probably interested in are panels, borders, includes and
fragments.
http://wicketstuff.org/wicket13/compref/

But I think you will find it tough with zero java knowledge.  It may work
well if you are working with a programmer :), but solo - good luck!


Alex Jacoby-2 wrote:
> 
> I searched the wiki and the list archives, but I haven't found any  
> sort of wicket reference appropriate for a web designer who doesn't  
> speak Java.  The list of xhtml tags in the wiki is the closest, but  
> it's definitely written more for the programmers.
> 
> Am I missing something?  If not, I'll contribute the guide I write to  
> the wiki.
> 
> Thanks,
> Alex
> 

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Guide for html designers

2008-03-05 Thread Alex Jacoby
I searched the wiki and the list archives, but I haven't found any  
sort of wicket reference appropriate for a web designer who doesn't  
speak Java.  The list of xhtml tags in the wiki is the closest, but  
it's definitely written more for the programmers.


Am I missing something?  If not, I'll contribute the guide I write to  
the wiki.


Thanks,
Alex

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