Re: [Vala] Vala logo

[Tobias Bernard]

That's my hope too. If Jürg doesn't have the time to be involved in the
voting process, he could let some kind of community manager organize the
voting and make a decision on which he then has a veto. So if he likes the
community's decision, the time he needs to put into this is close to zero
and if he doesn't, he'd just need to tell me what he'd like to change and I
could make the necessary changes to it.
If nobody else wants to do it, I'd also organize it myself.

What do you think?

Tobias

2012/1/5 Joseph Montanez 

> Tobias,
>
> I really hope someone can make your work official. We had so much talk
> about this already a few months ago. In the end I think Jürg would
> have the last say on the logo. Also I don't think there is a community
> manager for this project, besides Jürg. Seeing that there are over
> 500+ bugs many that need to be confirmed or are new makes me think
> something like this may be put on the back burner for a while.
>
> Maybe it would be worth while to see if its possible to have a
> community manager arise?
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Tobias Bernard 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It's been a few months since I first proposed to help with a Vala logo
> and
> > branding.
> > Since on the mailing list there are mostly users and little developers of
> > the language and they aren't very active here, it's hard to know who to
> > talk to to organize something official.
> > When I contacted Jürg Billeter as the main author of the language in
> > August, he said that he's very busy but he might do something about it.
> > After that I haven't heard from him, not even after I contacted him again
> > in November.
> > So, since Jürg seems to be too busy, is there someone else who is
> > officially authorized to organize this?
> > I'd love to support the project, but I can't if I don't get clear
> > instructions...
> >
> > In case someone hasn't seen the proposals, here's the most recent
> > version<http://ubuntuone.com/p/1DBL/>
> > .
> >
> > kind regards
> > Tobias Bernard
> >
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Re: [Vala] Vala logo

[Tobias Bernard]

The text issue has already been discussed in August and I think we agreed
to vote on this after coosing a symbol.
For now, just ignore the text as it's a placeholder and focus on the logo
itself ;)

Tobias
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Re: [Vala] Vala logo

[Tobias Bernard]

 As someone said in an earlier thread:

To me it is about flying above all the nightmare complexity of pages
> of boilerplate code that is required at the C level.
>

The core values a Vala brand should communicate are lightness, ease,
freedom and openness. I think wings symbolize these values quite well.

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[Vala] Vala logo

[Tobias Bernard]

Hi all,

It's been a few months since I first proposed to help with a Vala logo and
branding.
Since on the mailing list there are mostly users and little developers of
the language and they aren't very active here, it's hard to know who to
talk to to organize something official.
When I contacted Jürg Billeter as the main author of the language in
August, he said that he's very busy but he might do something about it.
After that I haven't heard from him, not even after I contacted him again
in November.
So, since Jürg seems to be too busy, is there someone else who is
officially authorized to organize this?
I'd love to support the project, but I can't if I don't get clear
instructions...

In case someone hasn't seen the proposals, here's the most recent
version<http://ubuntuone.com/p/1DBL/>
.

kind regards
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Re: [Vala] Vala logo symbol voting

[Tobias Bernard]

It's never too late for feedback :)

But as I already wrote here on the mailing list, this voting won't be about
the VALA text but about the symbol. This text is on the proposals as an
example, but it will be dicussed later and there will be a separate voting
on it.
For now, if you don't like it, ignore it ;)

tobias

2011/8/31 Dru Moore 

> Probably far too late in the process to come back and comment on this
> but I have a few general comments.
>
> I really like the concept of wings etc and think of the logo marks,
> all but #4 are really very strong, to me #4 is the weakest and is only
> good.
>
> However, I really dislike the font used for VALA.
>
> I totally get that by reducing the number of strokes required to form
> the letters you are trying to evoke simplicity and lightness as shared
> qualities. For me it actually suggests a different, less accurate set
> of ideas:
> Only a few basic tools - 4 unique strokes build the entire word
> Very direct and angular - fast yes, elegant no.
>
> These would seem more to be the qualities of a low level language
> (assembler or c) rather than a modern, high level language. Vala
> provides lot's of tools and high level objects to it's users that
> should let us express ourselves in a much more elegant fashion.
>
> Appreciate these comments may be coming at the least helpful time and
> regardless the outcome will clearly be to a very high standard.
>
> On 31 August 2011 18:20, Tobias Bernard  wrote:
> > I totally agree with you that war isn't a good symbolism for this, it is
> one
> > of the reasons I deleted that proposal.
> >
> > The reason why I created it in the first place was the sound of "Vala":
> it
> > reminds "of Valkyrie" or "Valhalla" (and if you've read the Silmarillion
> it
> > reminds of the "Valar"), and ancient weapons are strongly connected to
> those
> > topics, so I wanted to try working on that. But since there are better
> > symbolisms (which also look better graphically :D), I deleted that
> proposal.
> >
> > I don't know if you've taken a look at the pdf, but there are several
> > proposals which communicate exactly what you said: lightness, easiness,
> > flying etc.
> > A flying carpet isn't a bad idea but personally, I like a wing better,
> > because it's less complex and easier to understand.
> > in case you've missed it: symbol proposals pdf
> > download<http://ubuntuone.com/p/1DBL/>
> >
> > kind regards
> > tobias
> >
> > 2011/8/31 Jim Peters 
> >
> >> Sam Liddicott wrote:
> >> > >2) The symbolism of "ancient warfare" is hard to
> >> > >understand. Probably too hard to be understood instantly by most
> >> > >people, so I put that proposal away too.
> >> >
> >> > The presentation is very good.
> >> >
> >> > I think that symbols of weapons, killing and/or warfare should be
> >> > avoided, having very current and unpleasant connotations for many
> >> > people in specific locales.
> >>
> >> War happens -- deal with it.  But anyway, Vala is not about war, not
> >> even about posing with weapons, nor indulging in feelings of
> >> superiority or anything like that.  Vala is practical and gets the job
> >> done.  It is not an academic language made by purists or theorists.
> >> It doesn't seem to attract zealots or fanatics -- it is relatively
> >> humble in that sense.  It makes life easier for those who use it --
> >> compared to the alternative tools available to do the same job.
> >>
> >> Getting a good visual logo can be hard.  When I was involved in
> >> OpenEEG, someone sent us a drawing of a levitating, meditating,
> >> EEG-wired GNU, which was really perfect and said everything:
> >>
> >>  http://openeeg.sf.net/
> >>
> >> However, a programming language is more abstract.  Linux has a penguin
> >> mascot pictured with a bellyful of fish (according to Linus), which I
> >> guess represents a feeling of comfort.
> >>
> >> I wonder whether we can find a feeling connection for Vala?
> >>
> >> To me it is about flying above all the nightmare complexity of pages
> >> of boilerplate code that is required at the C level.  So maybe
> >> Aladdin's flying carpet?  Or something else to represent the ease and
> >> feeling of flying above complexity?
> >>
> >> Any other way we can repre

Re: [Vala] Vala logo symbol voting

[Tobias Bernard]

I totally agree with you that war isn't a good symbolism for this, it is one
of the reasons I deleted that proposal.

The reason why I created it in the first place was the sound of "Vala": it
reminds "of Valkyrie" or "Valhalla" (and if you've read the Silmarillion it
reminds of the "Valar"), and ancient weapons are strongly connected to those
topics, so I wanted to try working on that. But since there are better
symbolisms (which also look better graphically :D), I deleted that proposal.

I don't know if you've taken a look at the pdf, but there are several
proposals which communicate exactly what you said: lightness, easiness,
flying etc.
A flying carpet isn't a bad idea but personally, I like a wing better,
because it's less complex and easier to understand.
in case you've missed it: symbol proposals pdf
download

kind regards
tobias

2011/8/31 Jim Peters 

> Sam Liddicott wrote:
> > >2) The symbolism of "ancient warfare" is hard to
> > >understand. Probably too hard to be understood instantly by most
> > >people, so I put that proposal away too.
> >
> > The presentation is very good.
> >
> > I think that symbols of weapons, killing and/or warfare should be
> > avoided, having very current and unpleasant connotations for many
> > people in specific locales.
>
> War happens -- deal with it.  But anyway, Vala is not about war, not
> even about posing with weapons, nor indulging in feelings of
> superiority or anything like that.  Vala is practical and gets the job
> done.  It is not an academic language made by purists or theorists.
> It doesn't seem to attract zealots or fanatics -- it is relatively
> humble in that sense.  It makes life easier for those who use it --
> compared to the alternative tools available to do the same job.
>
> Getting a good visual logo can be hard.  When I was involved in
> OpenEEG, someone sent us a drawing of a levitating, meditating,
> EEG-wired GNU, which was really perfect and said everything:
>
>  http://openeeg.sf.net/
>
> However, a programming language is more abstract.  Linux has a penguin
> mascot pictured with a bellyful of fish (according to Linus), which I
> guess represents a feeling of comfort.
>
> I wonder whether we can find a feeling connection for Vala?
>
> To me it is about flying above all the nightmare complexity of pages
> of boilerplate code that is required at the C level.  So maybe
> Aladdin's flying carpet?  Or something else to represent the ease and
> feeling of flying above complexity?
>
> Any other way we can represent this feeling?
>
> Or is there some other feeling we can associate with Vala?
>
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Re: [Vala] Vala logo symbol voting

[Tobias Bernard]

ok, i'll try that.
after choosing a symbol, there should be a voting on the logo text too,
so thanks a lot for the proposal.
for now: ignore all the text and focus on the symbols ;)

tobias

2011/8/27 august 

>
> Hi Tobias, All,
>
>I hope you don't mind me making a suggestion here.  I find all of
> the
>graphics you've made to be very professional.  I really like the
> wing
>and definitely prefer the 2 tone graphic over glass effects.
>
>I was only wondering if it would be possible to see the wings with
>another text graphic below it.  The "vala" with the sharp edges kind
>of turns me off.  Vala is more of a rounded and soft word with lots
>of vowels.  It rolls off the tongue.  The graphic I see in your
>logos, however, expresses a lot of consonants and pointedness.  To
>me, the current text graphic contradicts the forgiving and welcoming
>feel of the vala language.  To me, vala takes the snagging edges out
>of programming.  It's a more human and organic language, less
>machine.
>
>Would it be possible to round off the points on the text graphic?
>I'm not sure it would be better, but I think it would be interesting
>to see.  For sure, it will set other things in the logo out of
>    balance, but it just might fit the wings better.
>
>
>best -august.
>
>
>
> Tobias Bernard say:
> > Hi
> >
> > Since there were no further comments on the logo drafts, I thought I'd
> > propose to vote on the logo symbol.
> > here <http://ubuntuone.com/p/1DBL/>'s a revised version of the logo
> symbol
> > part of my proposal document <http://ubuntuone.com/p/1AW8/> (alternative
> > download <
> http://tobias.bluestain.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/vala01.pdf>
> > )
> >
> > I don't know how you organize votings here, so I have some questions on
> > that:
> > What is needed to start an official voting?
> > Is there a some kind of a leader who offcially announces votings?
> > Who is allowed to vote and how many people need to vote to take a
> decision?
> >
> > After thinking a bit more about it, I changed certain poposals, deleted
> > others and added new ones. Of course I tried to always keep your feedback
> in
> > mind. So here's the changes in detail:
> >
> > 1) Putting the symbol inside a circle for the main logo is a bad idea. In
> > some cases the symbol could be used this way, but as a variant, not as
> the
> > main one. This is why I deleted all proposals inside a circle.
> >
> > 2) The symbolism of "ancient warfare" is hard to understand. Probably too
> > hard to be understood instantly by most people, so I put that proposal
> away
> > too.
> >
> > 3) The simplicity of the first proposal (horizontal wing) was liked by
> many,
> > so I added a similar symbol with a simple vertical wing.
> >
> > 4) Thanks to XY, I used your idea for proposal 04, however I am still not
> > sure if
> >  a) The V is readable
> >  b) The wing is recognizable
> >
> >I thought I'd let the community decide this by voting ;)
> >
> > I'm looking forward to hear from you, so the votings can begin.
> > Of course,  any kind of feedback is welcome and any changes can be made
> to
> > the current proposals.
> >
> > kind regards
> > tobias
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Re: [Vala] Vala logo symbol voting

[Tobias Bernard]

I forgot to change the place holder XY to rastersoft, because I wrote the
text when I had no internet connection and didn't see it now before  sending
it .
The credidts for idea #4 go to him ;)
Sorry.

tobias


2011/8/27 Tobias Bernard 

> Hi
>
> Since there were no further comments on the logo drafts, I thought I'd
> propose to vote on the logo symbol.
> here <http://ubuntuone.com/p/1DBL/>'s a revised version of the logo symbol
> part of my proposal document <http://ubuntuone.com/p/1AW8/> (alternative
> download<http://tobias.bluestain.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/vala01.pdf>
> )
>
> I don't know how you organize votings here, so I have some questions on
> that:
> What is needed to start an official voting?
> Is there a some kind of a leader who offcially announces votings?
> Who is allowed to vote and how many people need to vote to take a decision?
>
> After thinking a bit more about it, I changed certain poposals, deleted
> others and added new ones. Of course I tried to always keep your feedback in
> mind. So here's the changes in detail:
>
> 1) Putting the symbol inside a circle for the main logo is a bad idea. In
> some cases the symbol could be used this way, but as a variant, not as the
> main one. This is why I deleted all proposals inside a circle.
>
> 2) The symbolism of "ancient warfare" is hard to understand. Probably too
> hard to be understood instantly by most people, so I put that proposal away
> too.
>
> 3) The simplicity of the first proposal (horizontal wing) was liked by
> many, so I added a similar symbol with a simple vertical wing.
>
> 4) Thanks to XY, I used your idea for proposal 04, however I am still not
> sure if
>  a) The V is readable
>  b) The wing is recognizable
>
>I thought I'd let the community decide this by voting ;)
>
> I'm looking forward to hear from you, so the votings can begin.
> Of course,  any kind of feedback is welcome and any changes can be made to
> the current proposals.
>
> kind regards
> tobias
>
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[Vala] Vala logo symbol voting

[Tobias Bernard]

Hi

Since there were no further comments on the logo drafts, I thought I'd
propose to vote on the logo symbol.
here 's a revised version of the logo symbol
part of my proposal document  (alternative
download 
)

I don't know how you organize votings here, so I have some questions on
that:
What is needed to start an official voting?
Is there a some kind of a leader who offcially announces votings?
Who is allowed to vote and how many people need to vote to take a decision?

After thinking a bit more about it, I changed certain poposals, deleted
others and added new ones. Of course I tried to always keep your feedback in
mind. So here's the changes in detail:

1) Putting the symbol inside a circle for the main logo is a bad idea. In
some cases the symbol could be used this way, but as a variant, not as the
main one. This is why I deleted all proposals inside a circle.

2) The symbolism of "ancient warfare" is hard to understand. Probably too
hard to be understood instantly by most people, so I put that proposal away
too.

3) The simplicity of the first proposal (horizontal wing) was liked by many,
so I added a similar symbol with a simple vertical wing.

4) Thanks to XY, I used your idea for proposal 04, however I am still not
sure if
 a) The V is readable
 b) The wing is recognizable

   I thought I'd let the community decide this by voting ;)

I'm looking forward to hear from you, so the votings can begin.
Of course,  any kind of feedback is welcome and any changes can be made to
the current proposals.

kind regards
tobias
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Re: [Vala] Vala logo proposals

[Tobias Bernard]

Are you sure? I tried it on 3 different PCs an it worked...
anyway, here's an alternative download
link<http://tobias.bluestain.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/vala01.pdf>

tobias

2011/8/17 Kris Thomsen 

> I get an error when I try to open the Ubuntu One-page :-) Would really love
> to see the proposal.
>
> // Kris
>
> 2011/8/17 Tobias Bernard 
>
>> hi
>>
>> Thank you all for your feedback!
>>
>> @ Luca:
>> I wouldn't use the tango palette, first of all because I personally don't
>> like it really much ;) and second becuase it doesn't fit really well with
>> the values the whole brand identity aims to communicate (freedom,
>> lightness,
>> simplicity etc). I don't see why blue should be old school in general, and
>> as explained in the pdf, I think it fits really well with the ideas behind
>> Vala.
>> However, if it is decided to go for tango colors, in some way that could
>> work as well, I guess :)
>>
>> @ Rastersoft
>> Looks interesting, I'll try something like that. The problem is probably
>> to
>> keep the V readable. We'll see..
>>
>> @ Rob
>> Of course, once a logo has been chosen, there will be many different
>> versions for different sizes and purposes, among those very likely also a
>> horizontal one, but it's way too early to think about such details. I
>> placed
>> the symbols above the text for all proposals because it worked well with
>> the
>> sheet format, but this does in no way mean the final logo is going to
>> behave
>> this way.
>>
>> @ Joseph
>> That (or a similar) slogan could be used also as a logo subtitle. like it
>> :)
>>
>> As explained in the pdf I think a subtitle for the logo would be nice. So
>> if
>> anyone has an idea how the essence of Vala could be expressed in short
>> words, please make suggestions! (example: "Ruby - a programmer's best
>> friend")
>>
>> Here's what we currently have:
>> - Vala - a simple yet powerful programming language
>> - Vala - gives you vings (or maybe "spread your wings", so it'd be less
>> similar to the redbull slogan^^)
>>
>> I recommend everyone to also read the initial part of the document, so you
>> can understand better where the logos come from and why I did things the
>> way
>> I did.
>> Of course, suggestions of any kind are highly appreaciated ;)
>>
>> kind regards
>> tobias
>>
>>
>> 2011/8/15 Tobias Bernard 
>>
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Some time ago I checked out the Vala Wikipedia page after reading about
>> it
>> > on elementaryos.org and discovered that there was no logo. After
>> googling
>> > it, I got to the mailing list, where I read that you are currently
>> seeking
>> > a logo <http://www.mail-archive.com/vala-list@gnome.org/msg07487.html>
>> and
>>
>> > I thought I might be able to help.
>> >
>> > So I made a rough draft for a Vala brand identity which can be
>> downloaded
>> > here <http://ubuntuone.com/p/1AW8/>.
>>
>> > I'd love to hear feedback, criticism or anything else ;)
>> >
>> > kind regards
>> > tobias bernard
>> >
>> > ps. If you want to check my design skills, take a look at my website<
>> http://tobias.bluestain.net/>.
>>
>> > I'm using Inkscape/GIMP on Ubuntu 11.04.
>> >
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Re: [Vala] Vala logo proposals

[Tobias Bernard]

hi

Thank you all for your feedback!

@ Luca:
I wouldn't use the tango palette, first of all because I personally don't
like it really much ;) and second becuase it doesn't fit really well with
the values the whole brand identity aims to communicate (freedom, lightness,
simplicity etc). I don't see why blue should be old school in general, and
as explained in the pdf, I think it fits really well with the ideas behind
Vala.
However, if it is decided to go for tango colors, in some way that could
work as well, I guess :)

@ Rastersoft
Looks interesting, I'll try something like that. The problem is probably to
keep the V readable. We'll see..

@ Rob
Of course, once a logo has been chosen, there will be many different
versions for different sizes and purposes, among those very likely also a
horizontal one, but it's way too early to think about such details. I placed
the symbols above the text for all proposals because it worked well with the
sheet format, but this does in no way mean the final logo is going to behave
this way.

@ Joseph
That (or a similar) slogan could be used also as a logo subtitle. like it :)

As explained in the pdf I think a subtitle for the logo would be nice. So if
anyone has an idea how the essence of Vala could be expressed in short
words, please make suggestions! (example: "Ruby - a programmer's best
friend")

Here's what we currently have:
- Vala - a simple yet powerful programming language
- Vala - gives you vings (or maybe "spread your wings", so it'd be less
similar to the redbull slogan^^)

I recommend everyone to also read the initial part of the document, so you
can understand better where the logos come from and why I did things the way
I did.
Of course, suggestions of any kind are highly appreaciated ;)

kind regards
tobias


2011/8/15 Tobias Bernard 

> Hi
>
> Some time ago I checked out the Vala Wikipedia page after reading about it
> on elementaryos.org and discovered that there was no logo. After googling
> it, I got to the mailing list, where I read that you are currently seeking
> a logo <http://www.mail-archive.com/vala-list@gnome.org/msg07487.html> and
> I thought I might be able to help.
>
> So I made a rough draft for a Vala brand identity which can be downloaded
> here <http://ubuntuone.com/p/1AW8/>.
> I'd love to hear feedback, criticism or anything else ;)
>
> kind regards
> tobias bernard
>
> ps. If you want to check my design skills, take a look at my 
> website<http://tobias.bluestain.net/>.
> I'm using Inkscape/GIMP on Ubuntu 11.04.
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[Vala] Vala logo proposals

[Tobias Bernard]

Hi

Some time ago I checked out the Vala Wikipedia page after reading about it
on elementaryos.org and discovered that there was no logo. After googling
it, I got to the mailing list, where I read that you are currently seeking a
logo <http://www.mail-archive.com/vala-list@gnome.org/msg07487.html> and I
thought I might be able to help.

So I made a rough draft for a Vala brand identity which can be downloaded
here <http://ubuntuone.com/p/1AW8/>.
I'd love to hear feedback, criticism or anything else ;)

kind regards
tobias bernard

ps. If you want to check my design skills, take a look at my
website<http://tobias.bluestain.net/>.
I'm using Inkscape/GIMP on Ubuntu 11.04.
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