Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Hello Amit, Good questions. I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc. The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud. There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example. Aaron On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Kumar, Amit H. wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Reading through this document on VCL on IBM developers site: > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-vcl/index.html > > > > Brings me to the following question: First of all I am not sure how this > question will be treated on this forum , because I have not seen a > discussion on VCL that talks about Private vs. Public setup like the IBMers > do in the above link. So please bare with me and my naïve thoughts …. > > > > Q. When would an implementation of VCL be considered as a Public Cloud > Setup? I cannot draw a clear line to distinguish between private vs. public > VCL setup. > > Here is what I am thinking: > >>> If the VCL implementation allows anyone to sign up(either freely or >>> paid) to access the resources provided. Then it is a public cloud setup. ? > >>> If the VCL implementation allows other similar VCL type resources to >>> join the existing pool of resources to provide free or paid access to once >>> signed up. Is this a public cloud setup? > > > > Please advise! > > > > Regards, > > Amit > > -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
RE: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Hi Aaron, This is really great, being able to access EC2 & IBM resource or any other cloud resources for that matter. I can't wait to test that one out. Any body working on EC2 interface? Thank you for your insight! Regards, Amit From: Aaron Peeler [fapee...@ncsu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:19 PM To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL Hello Amit, Good questions. I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc. The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud. There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example. Aaron On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Kumar, Amit H. wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Reading through this document on VCL on IBM developers site: > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/library/ws-vcl/index.html > > > > Brings me to the following question: First of all I am not sure how this > question will be treated on this forum , because I have not seen a > discussion on VCL that talks about Private vs. Public setup like the IBMers > do in the above link. So please bare with me and my naïve thoughts …. > > > > Q. When would an implementation of VCL be considered as a Public Cloud > Setup? I cannot draw a clear line to distinguish between private vs. public > VCL setup. > > Here is what I am thinking: > >>> If the VCL implementation allows anyone to sign up(either freely or >>> paid) to access the resources provided. Then it is a public cloud setup. ? > >>> If the VCL implementation allows other similar VCL type resources to >>> join the existing pool of resources to provide free or paid access to once >>> signed up. Is this a public cloud setup? > > > > Please advise! > > > > Regards, > > Amit > > -- Aaron Peeler Program Manager Virtual Computing Lab NC State University All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties. -- BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 510875134) is spam: Spam: https://www.spamtrap.odu.edu/b.php?i=510875134&m=42adbaeee8c1&t=20110527&c=s Not spam: https://www.spamtrap.odu.edu/b.php?i=510875134&m=42adbaeee8c1&t=20110527&c=n Forget vote: https://www.spamtrap.odu.edu/b.php?i=510875134&m=42adbaeee8c1&t=20110527&c=f -- END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS
Re: Private vs Public Setup of VCL
Aaron writes: > ... > I would agree that the simplest description of a public cloud is what > you mention - "one that allows anyone to sign up(either freely or > paid) to access the resources provided". Like amazon EC2, etc. > > The hybrid model mentioned is what I would describe as a private cloud > that when needed can pull in or access resources of a public cloud. > There do exists VCL provisioning modules in development that can > request resources from EC2 and IBM's cloud. Xianqing Yu is working > on a JIRA issue for interacting with an IBM cloud > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/VCL-457 as an example. I agree - but would like to add a non-technological dimension to the definition. We normally call the VCL a "private cloud" because that is how we and most (all?) universities use it - and it could be a "hybrid cloud" if the provisioning modules were running. However, I think the real distinction is in how the VCL (or other cloud) is *managed.* The VCL can be run to allow anyone/everyone to log in access the resources provided. This isn't done because of resource limitations, license limitations, etc. - all real reasons but not technological limitations. Therefore I'll even quibble with the above definition of a "hybrid cloud" because the user interface is into a private cloud, and the user ideally isn't even aware of where the cloud resources live and so just sees it as a private cloud. Bottom line: private/hybrid/public distinctions have both technological and administrative meanings. --henry schaffer