[vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Andrew Herron

Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK on
Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?

Cheers

Andrew Herron
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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Gavin Hamill

Andrew Herron wrote:
Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK 
on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?


I can tell you for certain that they are not handled. :)

There is code in the standalone dvb-apps 'scan' application to parse 
Freeview LCNs, but that's it...


Cheers,
Gavin.


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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Laz
On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
> Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK
> on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?

I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my 
channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the corerct 
order with their correct numbers.

The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel 
numbers included, too.

Cheers,

Laz

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Tony Houghton
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Laz wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
> > Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK
> > on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?
> 
> I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my 
> channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the corerct 
> order with their correct numbers.
> 
> The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel 
> numbers included, too.

I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used
by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's
channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and
outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the
Freeview numbering added.

It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my
local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the
upper-case variables near the top of the script.

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#!/usr/bin/env python

import subprocess
import sys
import time

""" Shuts down VDR, performs a scan, then updates VDR's channels.conf with
	Freeview numbering. """

INVOKE_RCD = "invoke-rc.d vdr"
STOP_VDR = INVOKE_RCD + " stop"
START_VDR = INVOKE_RCD + " start"
SCAN_COMMAND = "scan -q -o vdr -e 4 -u " \
		+ "/usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/dvb-t/uk-Rowridge"
VDR_CHANNELS_FILE = "/var/lib/vdr/channels.conf"
OUTPUT_FILE = VDR_CHANNELS_FILE 

def scan():
	""" Runs SCAN_COMMAND and returns result as a list of lines. """
	print "Scanning"
	scan_proc = subprocess.Popen(SCAN_COMMAND, 0, None,
			None, subprocess.PIPE, None,
			None, False, True)
	result = scan_proc.wait()
	if result:
		raise Exception("scan failed with exit code %d" % result)
	return scan_proc.stdout.readlines()

def load_channels_as_lines(filename):
	fp = file(filename, 'r')
	lines = fp.readlines()
	fp.close()
	return lines

def lines_to_dict(lines):
	""" Processes the lines and creates a dictionary keyed by channel name.
		Each value is [line, channel_number]. """
	dict = {}
	number = 1
	for l in lines:
		if l.startswith(':@'):
			number = int(l[2:].rstrip())
		else:
			name = l.split(':', 1)[0]
			if ';' in name:
name = name.split(';', 1)[0]
			dict[name] = [l, number]
			number += 1
	return dict

def dict_to_sorted_lines(dict):
	""" Convert the dictionary back to lines, including :@n where necessary,
		all in the correct order. """
	# Create an intermediate list of [line, channel_number] for sorting
	sortable = []
	for v in dict.values():
		sortable.append(v)
	sortable.sort(key = lambda x: x[1])
	# Now generate lines in output format
	number = -1
	lines = []
	for l in sortable:
		if l[1] != number:
			number = l[1]
			lines.append(":@%d\n" % number)
		lines.append(l[0])
		number += 1
	return lines

def renumber_old_from_new(old, new):
	""" For each entry in the old dict, this looks up the same channel name in
		the new dict and replaces the old channel number with the new one, but
		preserves all the other details from old. No return value; alters old
		in place. """
	for [k, old_val] in old.items():
		new_val = new.get(k)
		if new_val:
			old_val[1] = new_val[1]

def generate_new_lines():
	""" Call the various other functions to generate a nice new list of lines
		to save as VDR's channels.conf. """
	scan_lines = scan()
	vdr_lines = load_channels_as_lines(VDR_CHANNELS_FILE)
	scan_dict = lines_to_dict(scan_lines)
	vdr_dict = lines_to_dict(vdr_lines)
	renumber_old_from_new(vdr_dict, scan_dict)
	return dict_to_sorted_lines(vdr_dict)

def main():
	start_stop_vdr = "-s" in sys.argv
	if start_stop_vdr:
		print "Stopping VDR"
		subprocess.call(STOP_VDR.split())
		print "Pausing"
		time.sleep(5)
	new_lines = generate_new_lines()
	fp = file(OUTPUT_FILE, 'w')
	fp.writelines(new_lines)
	fp.close()
	if start_stop_vdr:
		print "Starting VDR"
		subprocess.call(START_VDR.split())

if __name__ == '__main__':
	main()
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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Andrew Herron

Hi Tony,

Thanks for the attached script. I'll take a look at it tonight as I am
running Debian :-)

Cheers

Andrew

On 2/14/07, Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Laz wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
> > Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the
UK
> > on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in
anyway?
>
> I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my
> channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the
corerct
> order with their correct numbers.
>
> The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel
> numbers included, too.

I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used
by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's
channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and
outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the
Freeview numbering added.

It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my
local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the
upper-case variables near the top of the script.

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Rob Davis

Tony Houghton wrote:

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Laz wrote:


On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:

Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the UK
on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in anyway?
I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my 
channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the corerct 
order with their correct numbers.


The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel 
numbers included, too.


I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used
by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's
channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and
outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the
Freeview numbering added.

It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my
local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the
upper-case variables near the top of the script.


I like the idea of this, but I am wondering how we could adapt it to 
create channel lists for other networks.


As an idea what about parsing a webpage from lyngsat for Sky UK channel 
numbers and ordering the channels in that way, or Sky Italia, TPS etc.


Or even all of them, but having a 1 in front.. so channel 1101 Would be 
BBC 1, but 2101 Rai Uno etc..


Or is this a silly idea..?

I will look over the script a bit later.. :-)

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Andrew Herron

Hi Rob,

I think xmltv2vdr.pl might be a better place to start for what you are
trying to achieve... as you can point it at a TV listing web site and
extract all the EPG data for the channels listed apparently based on my
reading of threads on this list that is!

Andrew

On 2/14/07, Rob Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Tony Houghton wrote:
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Laz wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 14 February 2007 15:24, Andrew Herron wrote:
>>> Does anyone know if the Logical Channel Numbers that are used in the
UK
>>> on Freeview DVB-T transmissions are currently handled by VDR in
anyway?
>> I'm pretty sure that they're currently ignored. I tend to hand edit my
>> channels.conf every now and then to make sure channels are in the
corerct
>> order with their correct numbers.
>>
>> The scan utility can output a vdr-format channels.conf with the channel
>> numbers included, too.
>
> I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used
> by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's
> channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and
> outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the
> Freeview numbering added.
>
> It uses some file locations etc which are specific to Debian and my
> local transmitter, but it can easily be altered by changing the
> upper-case variables near the top of the script.

I like the idea of this, but I am wondering how we could adapt it to
create channel lists for other networks.

As an idea what about parsing a webpage from lyngsat for Sky UK channel
numbers and ordering the channels in that way, or Sky Italia, TPS etc.

Or even all of them, but having a 1 in front.. so channel 1101 Would be
BBC 1, but 2101 Rai Uno etc..

Or is this a silly idea..?

I will look over the script a bit later.. :-)

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Rob Davis

Andrew Herron wrote:

Hi Rob,

I think xmltv2vdr.pl might be a better place to start for what you are 
trying to achieve... as you can point it at a TV listing web site and 
extract all the EPG data for the channels listed apparently based on my 
reading of threads on this list that is!


Yes, but not quite the same.

What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the 
official decoders from different providers.  ie, someone from outside 
the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:


BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five.  Then BBC 3, 4 etc.

I know when I moved to Italy from the UK it took me about a year to work 
out that Rete 4, Canale 5 were followed by Italia 1..


The channel numbers for several providers are already in Lyngsat, with 
the channel frequencies and tsid's.. Why not extract the info and build 
an ordered channel list for vdr in the operator designated order?


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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-14 Thread Andrew Herron

On I understand what you are trying to achieve now. LCN data is broadcast as
part of the UK Freeview service and Tony's script uses that data to resort
the channels list (like a Freeview STB would in fact). I guess what you are
after is a combination of xmltvtovdr and Tony's scanln script.

On 2/14/07, Rob Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Andrew Herron wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> I think xmltv2vdr.pl might be a better place to start for what you are
> trying to achieve... as you can point it at a TV listing web site and
> extract all the EPG data for the channels listed apparently based on my
> reading of threads on this list that is!

Yes, but not quite the same.

What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the
official decoders from different providers.  ie, someone from outside
the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:

BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five.  Then BBC 3, 4 etc.

I know when I moved to Italy from the UK it took me about a year to work
out that Rete 4, Canale 5 were followed by Italia 1..

The channel numbers for several providers are already in Lyngsat, with
the channel frequencies and tsid's.. Why not extract the info and build
an ordered channel list for vdr in the operator designated order?

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-15 Thread Tony Grant
Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 00:12 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :

> What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the 
> official decoders from different providers.  ie, someone from outside 
> the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:
> 
> BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five.  Then BBC 3, 4 etc.

I always thought that I could put them in the order I want to (which I
do) by messing with channels.conf?

My on screen EPG is shown with the channels in the same order as hey
appear in channels.conf. Am I missing a very important idea here?

BBC 1
London;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5000:5001=eng,5002=NAR:5003:0:6301:2:2045:0
BBC 2
England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0
BBC
THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0
BBC
FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0
CBBC
Channel;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6317:2:2045:0
CBeebies;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6318:2:2045:0
BBC NEWS
24;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5400:5401=eng:5403:0:6304:2:2045:0
ITV1
Granada;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2342:2343=eng:2320:0:10080:2:2044:0
ITV2;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2348:2349=eng,2351=NAR:2317:0:10070:2:2044:0
ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357:0:0:10260:2:2044:0
ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2355:2356=eng:0:0:10072:2:2044:0
:-
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Tony
PS any news on when/if Channel5 and channel4 will be FTA?

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-15 Thread Andrew Herron

The point is that a £20 freeview box automatically sorts the channel list
using the broadcast lcn data without any user intervention. Then of course
all the channel numbering is correct and conforms to the UK freeview channel
order. By using Tony's script we get the same functionality in vdr for UK
Freeview channel numbering without having to manually resort the channel
list every time we rescan.

Your channel list below is not in UK Freeview LCN order of course.

Channel 4 and 5 have been free to air for ages on freeview, cable and Sky by
the way.

Cheers

Andrew

On 2/15/07, Tony Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 00:12 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :

> What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the
> official decoders from different providers.  ie, someone from outside
> the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:
>
> BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five.  Then BBC 3, 4 etc.

I always thought that I could put them in the order I want to (which I
do) by messing with channels.conf?

My on screen EPG is shown with the channels in the same order as hey
appear in channels.conf. Am I missing a very important idea here?

BBC 1
London;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E
:22000:5000:5001=eng,5002=NAR:5003:0:6301:2:2045:0
BBC 2
England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E
:22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0
BBC
THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E
:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0
BBC
FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E
:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0
CBBC
Channel;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E
:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6317:2:2045:0
CBeebies;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E
:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6318:2:2045:0
BBC NEWS
24;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5400:5401=eng:5403:0:6304:2:2045:0
ITV1
Granada;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2342:2343=eng:2320:0:10080:2:2044:0
ITV2;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E
:22000:2348:2349=eng,2351=NAR:2317:0:10070:2:2044:0
ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357:0:0:10260:2:2044:0
ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2355:2356=eng:0:0:10072:2:2044:0
:-
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Tony
PS any news on when/if Channel5 and channel4 will be FTA?

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-15 Thread Rob Davis

Tony Grant wrote:

Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 00:12 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :

What I am after is an ordered channel list in the same order as the 
official decoders from different providers.  ie, someone from outside 
the UK wouldn't necessarily know that the channels go:


BBC 1, 2 , ITV 1, Ch 4, five.  Then BBC 3, 4 etc.


I always thought that I could put them in the order I want to (which I
do) by messing with channels.conf?

My on screen EPG is shown with the channels in the same order as hey
appear in channels.conf. Am I missing a very important idea here?

BBC 1
London;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5000:5001=eng,5002=NAR:5003:0:6301:2:2045:0
BBC 2
England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0
BBC
THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0
BBC
FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0
CBBC
Channel;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6317:2:2045:0
CBeebies;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6318:2:2045:0
BBC NEWS
24;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5400:5401=eng:5403:0:6304:2:2045:0
ITV1
Granada;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2342:2343=eng:2320:0:10080:2:2044:0
ITV2;BSkyB:10758:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2348:2349=eng,2351=NAR:2317:0:10070:2:2044:0
ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357:0:0:10260:2:2044:0
ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2355:2356=eng:0:0:10072:2:2044:0
:-
Below this point are the channels found by epg scan


Have a look at:

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyuk_chno.html

From there a channels.conf file would look roughly:

:@101
BBC 1 
West;BSkyB:10817:vC56:S28.2E:22000:2305:2307=eng:2309:0:10351:2:2048:0:west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk

:@102
BBC 2 
England;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5100:5101=eng,5102=NAR:5103:0:6302:2:2045:0:west.bbc2.bbc.co.uk

:@103
ITV1 
West;BSkyB:10832:hC56:S28.2E:22000:2344:2345=eng:2346:0:10030:2:2049:0:west.htv.co.uk

:@104
Channel 
4;BSkyB:12168:V:S28.2E:27500:2311+2304:2312=eng,2313=NAR:2314:960,961:9201:2:2024:0:channel4.com

:@105
Five;BSkyB:12304:H:S28.2E:27500:514+8190:662=eng,682=NAR:578:960,961:9343:2:2031:0:channel5.co.uk
:@106
Sky 
One;BSkyB:12285:v:S28.2E:27500:513+8190:641=eng,661=NAR:577:960,961:4703:2:2030:0:sky-one.sky.com

:@107
Sky 
Two;BSkyB:12226:h:S28.2E:27500:514+8190:642=eng,662=NAR:578:960,961:5104:2:2027:0:sky-two.sky.com

:@108
Sky 
Three;BSkyB:12226:h:S28.2E:27500:512+8190:640=eng,660=NAR:576:960,961:5103:2:2027:0:sky-three.sky.com

:@109
UKTV 
Gold;BSkyB:11817:V:S28.2E:27500:2326:2328=eng,2330=NAR:2327:960,961:6504:2:2006:0:uk-gold.flextech.telewest.co.uk

:@110
UKTV Gold 
+1;BSkyB:11992:H:S28.2E:27500:2329:2330=eng,2354=NAR:2331:960,961:7605:2:2015:0:plus-1.uk-gold.flextech.telewest.co.uk
UK Gold 
2~;BSkyB:11817:V:S28.2E:27500:2336:2338=eng:2337:960,961:6516:2:2006:0:uk-gold-2.flextech.telewest.co.uk

:@115
BBC 
THREE;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5200:5201=eng,5202=NAR:5203:0:6319:2:2045:0:choice.bbc.co.uk

:@116
BBC 
FOUR;BSkyB:10773:hC56:S28.2E:22000:5300:5301=eng,5302=NAR:5303:0:6316:2:2045:0:knowledge.bbc.co.uk

:@117
ITV2;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2348:2349=eng,2352=NAR:2354:0:10070:2:2044:0:itv2.itv.co.uk
:@118
ITV3;BSkyB:10906:v:S28.2E:22000:2356:2357=eng,2358=NAR:2359:0:10260:2:2054:0:itv3.itv.co.uk
:@119
ITV4;BSkyB:10758:v:S28.2E:22000:2368:2369=eng:2370:0:10072:2:2044:0:itv4.itv.co.uk

etc..

If you wanted to have the same numbers as a Sky Digibox.

Now, if you had two feeds, say Sky UK and Sky Italia (Like us)

You also have:

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/skyitalia_chno.html

The format is roughly the same..






Tony
PS any news on when/if Channel5 and channel4 will be FTA?



Their licence expires next year, but no one seems to know if then will 
then go FTA or stay FTV.


I have a FreeSat card, so am not too worried.



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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-15 Thread Tony Grant
Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 09:15 +0100, Rob Davis a écrit :

> 
> If you wanted to have the same numbers as a Sky Digibox.

OK I see. 

I am a very basic viewer who just zaps around on a whim recording the
odd film now and then and of course MotoGP. Since we moved my VDR box
died (bad capacitors) and so the dish isn't even bolted to the front of
the house yet... And now we have a DVB-T box to watch all 18 free French
channels. But bike season is approaching fast so I will be hooking
everything up again soon.

Tony

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Re: [vdr] UK Freeview Logical Channel Numbers

2007-02-15 Thread Tony Houghton
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Houghton wrote:

> I've had trouble in the past with VDR disagreeing with the format used
> by the output of scan so I've written a script which compares VDR's
> channels.conf with the output of scan with Freeview numbering and
> outputs a new file with VDR's channel data but resorted and with the
> Freeview numbering added.

Actually, this script isn't much use after all. When scan's run in vdr
compatibility mode (which isn't fully compatible with vdr anyway) it
misses out the part-time channels ie BBC3, CBeebies etc depending on the
time of day. And the script fails to correct the resultant clashes eg
BBCi being channel 2.

What we really need is a patch for VDR to make it get the channel
numbers and sort on them. Some sort of bootstrapping would be a good
idea too. At the moment VDR exits without any error messages if it
doesn't have a channels.conf. It should at least allow the use of the
OSD and/or ask the user for whatever info it needs to start a scan.

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