Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Mika Laitio wrote: >> I don't think it's difficult to do right at all to be honest. You can >> just make user-defined thresholds so the the user can decide himself >> how many mins or % of the total recording triggers the partial-view >> and viewed flags. For example one guy might want: >> >> not-viewed: <5% viewed >> partial-viewed: 5%+ viewed >> viewed: 95%+ viewed >> >> and another guy could customize it differently such as <10%, 10%+, >> 99%+... This way the user gets the 3 flags and gets to decide when >> they're triggered. I think this would satisfy the majority/most users >> with low difficulty to implement. > > Percentages would not work well as 5% is much more from 20 minute > recording than 2 hour movie. Percentages make the most sense to me because 1) the user can decide for himself what threshold he wants to use, and 2) using a percentage when you have recordings of different lengths is better than using a single Xmin value which would probably only work well with recordings of a single length. A playtime of 20mins might work well for an hour long show but would be ridiculous for a 30min show -- hardcoded values always suck, the user can decide what he likes without outside help. My personal preference would be 25% / 90%. 25% of 30mins is 7.5mins 25% of 60mins is 15mins 25% of 120mins is 30mins 90% of 30mins is 27mins 90% of 60mins is 54mins 90% of 120mins is 108mins It's reasonable to say if you've watched 7.5mins of a 30min show, you've watched it partially and if you've watched 27mins, you've watched it. Same for 15mins/54mins of a 60min show, and 30mins/108mins of a 120min show. To me that's far better than setting one value and forcing it on every recording no matter what the length is, and it makes it possible to customize it to your own individual preference (which I'm almost always a big supporter of). Problems like this are best solved when you ask what works best for most people in most cases, because there is no "perfect" solution. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On 08.01.2013 23:38, Klaus Schmidinger wrote: On 08.01.2013 22:47, Mika Laitio wrote: I don't think it's difficult to do right at all to be honest. You can just make user-defined thresholds so the the user can decide himself how many mins or % of the total recording triggers the partial-view and viewed flags. For example one guy might want: not-viewed: <5% viewed partial-viewed: 5%+ viewed viewed: 95%+ viewed and another guy could customize it differently such as <10%, 10%+, 99%+... This way the user gets the 3 flags and gets to decide when they're triggered. I think this would satisfy the majority/most users with low difficulty to implement. Percentages would not work well as 5% is much more from 20 minute recording than 2 hour movie. But a little related to this, I think it would be great if there could be some kind of short cut for command that one could use after watching the recording to cut away end of the recording. So when ending texts start, one key press would just cut rest away and also stop the viewing. I could imagine the following: - define a User0 key on your remote control (or User1, 2, ... 9) - in keymacros.conf add a line User0 0 7 0 9 2 Stop When you press the User0 key during replay it should then - set a mark at the current position - jump to the very beginning of the recording - set a mark at the beginning - jump back to where you stopped viewing - start the [ sorry, hit the wrong button here ] - start the editing process - end replay Of course this will only work correctly if there are no editing marks defined yet. Klaus ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On 08.01.2013 22:47, Mika Laitio wrote: I don't think it's difficult to do right at all to be honest. You can just make user-defined thresholds so the the user can decide himself how many mins or % of the total recording triggers the partial-view and viewed flags. For example one guy might want: not-viewed: <5% viewed partial-viewed: 5%+ viewed viewed: 95%+ viewed and another guy could customize it differently such as <10%, 10%+, 99%+... This way the user gets the 3 flags and gets to decide when they're triggered. I think this would satisfy the majority/most users with low difficulty to implement. Percentages would not work well as 5% is much more from 20 minute recording than 2 hour movie. But a little related to this, I think it would be great if there could be some kind of short cut for command that one could use after watching the recording to cut away end of the recording. So when ending texts start, one key press would just cut rest away and also stop the viewing. I could imagine the following: - define a User0 key on your remote control (or User1, 2, ... 9) - in keymacros.conf add a line User0 0 7 0 9 2 Stop When you press the User0 key during replay it should then - set a mark at the current position - jump to the very beginning of the recording - set a mark at the beginning - jump back to where you stopped viewing - start the ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
> I don't think it's difficult to do right at all to be honest. You can > just make user-defined thresholds so the the user can decide himself > how many mins or % of the total recording triggers the partial-view > and viewed flags. For example one guy might want: > > not-viewed: <5% viewed > partial-viewed: 5%+ viewed > viewed: 95%+ viewed > > and another guy could customize it differently such as <10%, 10%+, > 99%+... This way the user gets the 3 flags and gets to decide when > they're triggered. I think this would satisfy the majority/most users > with low difficulty to implement. Percentages would not work well as 5% is much more from 20 minute recording than 2 hour movie. But a little related to this, I think it would be great if there could be some kind of short cut for command that one could use after watching the recording to cut away end of the recording. So when ending texts start, one key press would just cut rest away and also stop the viewing. Mika ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Jouni Karvo wrote: > > an additional problem is the definition of "viewed". I don't normally view > the end credits. Also, I have normally 10min extra in the end of each > recording, just in case. So normally there are around 10-15mins in the end > of a viewed recording that have not been viewed. But this would probably > vary - a little different for each user. > > Seems a difficult thing to do "right". Matti's plugin sounds like a working > solution, instead. I don't think it's difficult to do right at all to be honest. You can just make user-defined thresholds so the the user can decide himself how many mins or % of the total recording triggers the partial-view and viewed flags. For example one guy might want: not-viewed: <5% viewed partial-viewed: 5%+ viewed viewed: 95%+ viewed and another guy could customize it differently such as <10%, 10%+, 99%+... This way the user gets the 3 flags and gets to decide when they're triggered. I think this would satisfy the majority/most users with low difficulty to implement. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
an additional problem is the definition of "viewed". I don't normally view the end credits. Also, I have normally 10min extra in the end of each recording, just in case. So normally there are around 10-15mins in the end of a viewed recording that have not been viewed. But this would probably vary - a little different for each user. Seems a difficult thing to do "right". Matti's plugin sounds like a working solution, instead. yours, Jouni ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On 01/06/2013 10:07 PM, VDR User wrote: On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Dominique wrote: Hi After reading all response, there is still an open question : why vdr do not simply store inside setup.conf the latest path of played recording ? As long it keep it in memory (press play resume the replay of records) ... You will say : what about removed records outside vdr program ? it allready does by not playing them even if on the list , in my system, I read from a vdr client under smb vdr tree of a server and remove records from client, vdr server list is not allways up to date (a touch .update fix that) It should be nice to have this feature in the system like the xineliboutput player plugin do What about when a guy watches his recording but can't finish so he stops it and will return later. Before he can return, his wife comes and watches her recording. The last recording will now be the one the wife watched and not the guy. Many VDR systems are used by multiple people, not just one person only. I think 3 "viewed" flags are fine to keep track of unviewed/partial viewed/complete viewed. The History-plugin I posted to this thread remembers user defined number of replayed recordings so it probably easier than searching through the recording list for partially watched recordings. Replaying can be easily started from the list. The plugin also handles removed recordings appropriately. The plugin also stores history of replayed files using xineliboutput's Media Player. Replay of these can also be started from the plugin menu. -- Matti ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Dominique wrote: > Hi > > After reading all response, there is still an open question : why vdr do not > simply store inside setup.conf the latest path of played recording ? > As long it keep it in memory (press play resume the replay of records) ... > > You will say : what about removed records outside vdr program ? it allready > does by not playing them even if on the list , in my system, I read from a vdr > client under smb vdr tree of a server and remove records from client, vdr > server list is not allways up to date (a touch .update fix that) > > It should be nice to have this feature in the system like the xineliboutput > player plugin do What about when a guy watches his recording but can't finish so he stops it and will return later. Before he can return, his wife comes and watches her recording. The last recording will now be the one the wife watched and not the guy. Many VDR systems are used by multiple people, not just one person only. I think 3 "viewed" flags are fine to keep track of unviewed/partial viewed/complete viewed. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
Hi After reading all response, there is still an open question : why vdr do not simply store inside setup.conf the latest path of played recording ? As long it keep it in memory (press play resume the replay of records) ... You will say : what about removed records outside vdr program ? it allready does by not playing them even if on the list , in my system, I read from a vdr client under smb vdr tree of a server and remove records from client, vdr server list is not allways up to date (a touch .update fix that) It should be nice to have this feature in the system like the xineliboutput player plugin do Thanks and have a nice evening Le dimanche 06 janvier 2013 11:31:54, cedric.dew...@telfort.nl a écrit : > Hi All, > > Sometimes I watch a TV show halfway. Then I let VDR shutdown my PC. Then > I would like to watch the rest of the show. Then I have to go to the list > of TV shows, and find the correct one again. > > In my opinion it would be easyer for me if the half-watched shows are > placed at the top of the list with TV shows. Does such an option exist? > How should recordings in a sub-folder be handled? Should those be moved to > the top of the list, or copied, or a shortcut be made? I would like to see > a shortcut. > > I would also like to see that VDR remembers the current position in the > list of recordings. This is already the case during a vdr-sxfe session, > but not when vdr has been restarted. After a restart, VDR goes to the top > of the list. > > Or I should not have so many recordings :-) > > Best regards, > Cedric > > > > > > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Lars Hanisch wrote: > Am 06.01.2013 17:49, schrieb VDR User: >> Maybe VDR should have 3 flags instead of * (unviewed) and no-* >> (viewed). Instead maybe we could have: >> >> no-*: viewed >> !: partially viewed >> *: new/unviewed > > Every uncut recording will be partially viewed... Ok, maybe this then: *: new/unviewed !: partially viewed (if viewed 5+ minutes) (nothing): viewed completely ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
Hi, Am 06.01.2013 17:49, schrieb VDR User: > Maybe VDR should have 3 flags instead of * (unviewed) and no-* > (viewed). Instead maybe we could have: > > no-*: viewed > !: partially viewed > *: new/unviewed Every uncut recording will be partially viewed... Lars. ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
Maybe VDR should have 3 flags instead of * (unviewed) and no-* (viewed). Instead maybe we could have: no-*: viewed !: partially viewed *: new/unviewed ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
Hi, Am 06.01.2013 12:33, schrieb Mika Laitio: > On 01/06/2013 12:31 PM, cedric.dew...@telfort.nl wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Sometimes I watch a TV show halfway. Then I let VDR shutdown my PC. Then >> I would like to watch the rest of the show. Then I have to go to the list >> of TV shows, and find the correct one again. >> >> In my opinion it would be easyer for me if the half-watched shows are placed >> at the top of the list with TV shows. Does such an option exist? How should >> recordings in a sub-folder be handled? Should those be moved to the top of >> the list, or copied, or a shortcut be made? I would like to see a shortcut. > > Maybe by extending the current functionality of "0" key that can be used > for sorting the recordings either by name or date. I don't think this is the right way since the order of recordings is per directory and the last viewed recording may be in some (deep) subdirectory. And I don't see any "last viewed timestamp" at the recording info. Only hint would be the timestamp of the resume file. Lars. > > Mika ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On 01/06/2013 12:31 PM, cedric.dew...@telfort.nl wrote: > Hi All, > > Sometimes I watch a TV show halfway. Then I let VDR shutdown my PC. Then > I would like to watch the rest of the show. Then I have to go to the list > of TV shows, and find the correct one again. > > In my opinion it would be easyer for me if the half-watched shows are placed > at the top of the list with TV shows. Does such an option exist? How should > recordings in a sub-folder be handled? Should those be moved to the top of > the list, or copied, or a shortcut be made? I would like to see a shortcut. Maybe by extending the current functionality of "0" key that can be used for sorting the recordings either by name or date. Mika ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
On 01/06/2013 12:31 PM, cedric.dew...@telfort.nl wrote: Sometimes I watch a TV show halfway. Then I let VDR shutdown my PC. Then I would like to watch the rest of the show. Then I have to go to the list of TV shows, and find the correct one again. Hi I have made a small plugin to keep history of replayed recording to help find recently watched recordings. This is not exactly what you were looking for but might be useful. Latest version of the plugin is attached. I think I'll add the plugin to vdr-developer.org. -- Matti vdr-history-0.0.3.tgz Description: application/compressed-tar ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Re: [vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
Hi, Am 06.01.2013 11:31, schrieb cedric.dew...@telfort.nl: > Sometimes I watch a TV show halfway. Then I let VDR shutdown my PC. Then > I would like to watch the rest of the show. Then I have to go to the list > of TV shows, and find the correct one again. > > In my opinion it would be easyer for me if the half-watched shows are placed > at the top of the list with TV shows. Does such an option exist? How should > recordings in a sub-folder be handled? Should those be moved to the top of > the list, or copied, or a shortcut be made? I would like to see a shortcut. > > I would also like to see that VDR remembers the current position in the list > of recordings. This is already the case during a vdr-sxfe session, but not > when vdr has been restarted. After a restart, VDR goes to the top of the > list. > > Or I should not have so many recordings :-) It's possible to write a plugin "lastviewed" (if not already exist) which tracks for cStatus::Replaying and remember the replayed recodings in an internal list. With the main menu entry of this plugin you can either show the list or just replay the last recording. So no need to extend vdr-core. :) Lars. > > Best regards, > Cedric > > > > > > > ___ > vdr mailing list > vdr@linuxtv.org > http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr > ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
[vdr] half-viewed recordings, can they be moved at the top of the list?
Hi All, Sometimes I watch a TV show halfway. Then I let VDR shutdown my PC. Then I would like to watch the rest of the show. Then I have to go to the list of TV shows, and find the correct one again. In my opinion it would be easyer for me if the half-watched shows are placed at the top of the list with TV shows. Does such an option exist? How should recordings in a sub-folder be handled? Should those be moved to the top of the list, or copied, or a shortcut be made? I would like to see a shortcut. I would also like to see that VDR remembers the current position in the list of recordings. This is already the case during a vdr-sxfe session, but not when vdr has been restarted. After a restart, VDR goes to the top of the list. Or I should not have so many recordings :-) Best regards, Cedric ___ vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
