[vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial

2013-11-28 Thread cedric.dew...@telfort.nl
Hi All,
I'm writing a tutorial on VDR for debian. To make the individual steps as small 
as possible, I would like to begin without any special hardware, just a normal 
PC.
It turns out VDR refuses to run when no DVB card is found. Is there a 
configuration option somewhere to let VDR run without hardware? Can I create a 
dummy DVB device somehow?
The guide (unfinished) is here:
https://wiki.debian.org/VDR
Best regards,
Cedric
My versions:
VDR 1.7.28
Debian 7.2.0 Stable (installed today)
The error in /var/log/syslog
...
No DVB device found
ERROR: invalid primary device number: 1
ERROR: no primary device found = using first device!
ERROR: invalid primary device number: 1
...
exiting, exit code 2
runvdr: stopping after fatal fail (vdr: no primary device found - using first 
device!)
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Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial

2013-11-30 Thread cedric.dew...@telfort.nl
Origineel Bericht
Van : cedric.dew...@telfort.nl
Datum : 28/11/2013 22:17
Aan : vdr@linuxtv.org
Onderwerp : [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial
Hi All,
I'm writing a tutorial on VDR for debian. To make the individual steps as small 
as possible, I would like to begin without any special hardware, just a normal 
PC.
It turns out VDR refuses to run when no DVB card is found. Is there a 
configuration option somewhere to let VDR run without hardware? Can I create a 
dummy DVB device somehow?
The guide (unfinished) is here:
https://wiki.debian.org/VDR
Best regards,
Cedric
My versions:
VDR 1.7.28
Debian 7.2.0 Stable (installed today)
The error in /var/log/syslog
...
No DVB device found
ERROR: invalid primary device number: 1
ERROR: no primary device found = using first device!
ERROR: invalid primary device number: 1
...
exiting, exit code 2
runvdr: stopping after fatal fail (vdr: no primary device found - using first 
device!)
Hi All,
For now I have stated in the tutorial it's not possible to start VDR without 
hardware. 
In the meantime, I have found virtualDVB. It looks like you can feed it video 
from VLC, and it then presents itself as a DVB device.
https://launchpad.net/virtual-dvb
Does anybody has experience with this solution?
Best regards,
Cedric
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Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial

2013-11-30 Thread VDR User
Have you tried patching VDR so it doesn't abort if no dvb device is
found? I'm not sure what side-effects, if any, there may be by doing
so.

Btw, I also found it annoying VDR wouldn't start without a dvb device.
A long time ago I had a dvb card die but i had a lot of unwatched
recordings so I figured I would just watch those until my new dvb card
came in. Nope! Pretty lame when you run VDR on a dedicated box with no
keyboard attached and no easy way to get that box to play your
recordings. IMO VDR should start regardless. What good is there in
denying the user access to his recordings and plugins? Obviously no
dvb device means no live tv, but VDR does/can do a lot more than that.

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Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial

2013-11-30 Thread Helmut Auer

Just use xine or xineliboutput as output plugin, then VDR starts without a DVB 
Device.
What would be the usage of VDR without input and output device ?

Am 01.12.2013 01:29, schrieb VDR User:

Have you tried patching VDR so it doesn't abort if no dvb device is
found? I'm not sure what side-effects, if any, there may be by doing
so.

Btw, I also found it annoying VDR wouldn't start without a dvb device.
A long time ago I had a dvb card die but i had a lot of unwatched
recordings so I figured I would just watch those until my new dvb card
came in. Nope! Pretty lame when you run VDR on a dedicated box with no
keyboard attached and no easy way to get that box to play your
recordings. IMO VDR should start regardless. What good is there in
denying the user access to his recordings and plugins? Obviously no
dvb device means no live tv, but VDR does/can do a lot more than that.

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Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial

2013-12-01 Thread cedric.dew...@telfort.nl

>Origineel Bericht
>Van : v...@helmutauer.de
>Datum : 01/12/2013 01:52
>Aan : vdr@linuxtv.org
>Onderwerp : Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial
>
>Just use xine or xineliboutput as output plugin, then VDR starts without a DVB 
>Device.
>What would be the usage of VDR without input and output device ?
>

Thank you for this. I have installed xineliboutput on my debian installation, 
but that does not auto-install vdr-plugin-xineliboutput.
I have installed vdr-plugin-xineliboutput, and now VDR happily runs without any 
hardware. I have updated my manual to reflect this.
https://wiki.debian.org/VDR

Sorry for my choose of words in my previous e-mail, I did not intent to insult 
anyone, but I was a bit disappointed.

Best regards,
Cedric


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Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial

2013-12-03 Thread Christian Tramnitz

VDR requires an output device to start.
But as already pointed out this doesn't necessarily have to be real 
hardware but could also be a plugin.


However, instead of using (and recommending) such a heavy-scale (from 
dependency and complexity perspective) plugin like xineliboutput, how 
about the dummydevice-plugin as output plugin?

http://phivdr.dyndns.org/vdr/vdr-dummydevice/
or even the dynamite-plugin:
http://projects.vdr-developer.org/projects/show/plg-dynamite
which starts as placeholder and enables later configuration of actual 
DVB devices.




Best regards,
   Christian

Am 28.11.13 22:17, schrieb cedric.dew...@telfort.nl:> It turns out VDR 
refuses to run when no DVB card is found. Is there a

> configuration option somewhere to let VDR run without hardware? Can I
> create a dummy DVB device somehow?


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Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial

2013-12-03 Thread cedric.dew...@telfort.nl

>Origineel Bericht
>Van : chris@gmx.net
>Datum : 03/12/2013 15:54
>Aan : vdr@linuxtv.org
>Onderwerp : Re: [vdr] start VDR without hardware for test and tutorial
>
>VDR requires an output device to start.
>But as already pointed out this doesn't necessarily have to be real 
>hardware but could also be a plugin.
>
>However, instead of using (and recommending) such a heavy-scale (from 
>dependency and complexity perspective) plugin like xineliboutput, how 
>about the dummydevice-plugin as output plugin?
>http://phivdr.dyndns.org/vdr/vdr-dummydevice/
>or even the dynamite-plugin:
>http://projects.vdr-developer.org/projects/show/plg-dynamite
>which starts as placeholder and enables later configuration of actual 
>DVB devices.
>
>
>
>Best regards,
>Christian

That's a good suggestion, I didn't know it existed.

I will mention it as an alternative to xineliboutput. Personally I want to use 
xineliboutput because I'm building a PC that drives my TV via HDMI, but 
dummydevice-plugin is indeed useful if you are building a headless server.

Having said that, debian does not have vdr-dummydevice nor dynamite in their 
repositories yet, If I figure out how, I will suggest it.

Best regards, and thanks for thinking with me,
Cedric

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