Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring Shadow Copy Component/System State
If using the GUI, no need :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenkoetter, Gabriel Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:38 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring Shadow Copy Component/System State Um... that's not how bpplclients works, Randy. The user must specify. -- gabriel rosenkoetter Radian Group Inc, Unix/Linux/VMware Sysadmin / Backup Recovery [EMAIL PROTECTED], 215 231 1556 From: Randy Samora [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 10:07 AM To: Ed Wilts; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring Shadow Copy Component/System State I don't think adding a new client is an issue. If I remember correctly, the default selection is for NetBackup to ask the client what OS is loaded. So if the lines of communication are open (and they should be) the OS should self-populate. But you're right, most of my discrepancies are from years of upgrades and no one tells the tape dude. From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Randy Samora; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Restoring Shadow Copy Component/System State On Fri, Feb 15, 2008 at 8:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, NBU will override the selection. We discovered that recently when we realized we had a bunch of Win2k servers mistakenly configured as Win2k3; System_State was still being backed up as opposed to Shadow Copy Components. I think you may have that backwards but that's besides the point. I actually have a formal change request into Symantec on this one - the backup admin should not be telling NetBackup what the OS type is when there's a NetBackup client sitting out there that knows exactly what it is. This gets even uglier when you have the client in multiple policies (common for clusters) and you have to keep them all updated on a regular basis. And I'm just willing to bet at least a cup of coffee that the vast majority of backup admins aren't told when an OS is upgraded. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients
I tend to Remote Desktop to the machines and install in one go - having a large screen helps. Installing Remotely has worked, but if the client is offline, or out of disk space, it seems to leave the install in a mess. S. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Samora Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 12:31 AM To: Michael Graff Andersen; veritas-bu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients I hope there are no shortcuts because I'm going to feel silly after 6 years of pushing the client install one at a time. I can do groups of clients but it still installs only one at a time. It's not as if you have to sit and babysit the installation once it gets started but it's still a tedious process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graff Andersen Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:48 AM To: veritas-bu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients Hi After spending most of the day upgrading our about 100 clients using the installer, I began wonder how others do it. Would like to hear what others do with their windows clients Regards Michael ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. - Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 REGISTERED OFFICE:- Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Speaking of NTFS:
Hi, Im sure others will reply, but my thought Defragmentation will happen on most file systems. Programs like Diskeeper will do the trick, but ensure its done out of hours. To be honest, I have not seen that much of a performance increase in backup speeds after a defrag. I think alot depends on whether you are using volume compression to compress the Data and how the clients are configured for backups. also, the type of Data on the volumes. The built in defrag sucks in my view, so consider another alternative rather than the Win2k / Win2k3 version. Hosts connected to a HP EVA are all going to be sharing spindles :-) so I would rule that out. Again, it comes down to the end client, how its configured, whats being backed up. We use SAN Media Servers for our large systems with volumes. It works well. What I would tend to do is look at your multiplexing and see if you can alter to make use of more drives if poss. Also, verify how the backup policy is configured for streams. For example if you have a Win2k3 System with 5 Drives, consider streaming the drives seperately or maybe 2 volumes into a single stream. If these are LAN based clients, then you are not going to get good throughput, especially if the volumes are fast. As a rule of thumb if it takes approx 30 hours to backup a 500GB volume, a SAN Media Server could (depending on the files) backup the system in say 12 - 14 hours. Again, alot does tend to rely on compression, type of data, file size ect. One other option to consider is Flash Backup. I am looking into this, but not sure at this stage if it will really help my situation. Faster disks (like the HP EVA) is a bonus. Turning off any extra I/O like Anti-Virus during a backup WILL also help. Just my views Thanks, Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mellor, Adam A. Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:36 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Cc: Ed Wilts Subject: [Veritas-bu] Speaking of NTFS: My backup systems are Solaris, I have the luxury of vxfs filesystems for my staging database areas. I do however back up Windows file servers, Are there any guidelines to NTFS volumes that people would recommend ? I thinking along the lines: Defragmenting, Number of streams, LUN Virtulization tech, Volume Sizes, Maintaining free space, Snapshot methods, impact of ohh sooo many small files Performance improvements with Advanced client / Flashbackup, SAN Media server, (For the adventurous) SAN client ? For example, i currently have pain with about a dozen windows clients, from what i can tell we do not do defragmentaion their LUNS live on HP EVA's sharing spindles with hosts Free Space is minimum (~7%) Volumes are only ~500GB We backup with Multiple streams (Exceeds weekend (and daily) backup window if we don't (Windows are large) Currently backing up the windows dataservers is a pain point for me, I am interested in hearing peoples learnings / Golden rules when it comes to backing up large (over 500GB) NTFS Volumes. Adam Mellor Senior Unix Support Analyst CF IT TECHNOLOGY SERVICES Woodside Energy Ltd. From: Ed Wilts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2008 1:17 PM To: Mellor, Adam A. Cc: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Defrag DSU? On Feb 13, 2008 6:22 PM, Mellor, Adam A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I am not currently defragmenting my current DSU volumes, I previously had ~4TB in a single DSU under NBU 5.1 . This volume was running vxfs vxfs says it all, you lucky guy. NTFS just sucks... try a 4TB DSSU on Windows and see how much fun you have. I do like your idea of dropping the threshold to a low value to empty it out more frequently though. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] NOTICE: This email and any attachments are confidential. They may contain legally privileged information or copyright material. You must not read, copy, use or disclose them without authorisation. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact us at once by return email and then delete both messages and all attachments. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients
Installs are still kind of ugly...but now with 6.5 you can use LiveUpdate for patching. That will at least make that process easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Samora Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:31 PM To: Michael Graff Andersen; veritas-bu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients I hope there are no shortcuts because I'm going to feel silly after 6 years of pushing the client install one at a time. I can do groups of clients but it still installs only one at a time. It's not as if you have to sit and babysit the installation once it gets started but it's still a tedious process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graff Andersen Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:48 AM To: veritas-bu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients Hi After spending most of the day upgrading our about 100 clients using the installer, I began wonder how others do it. Would like to hear what others do with their windows clients Regards Michael ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This Email has been scanned for all viruses by PAETEC Email Scanning Services, utilizing MessageLabs proprietary SkyScan infrastructure. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.paetec.com. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients
Yes, but this was an upgrade from 5.1 to 6.5, actually I don't install the liveupdate option as I think the documentation is on it is unclear 2008/2/18, rcarlisle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Installs are still kind of ugly...but now with 6.5 you can use LiveUpdate for patching. That will at least make that process easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Samora Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:31 PM To: Michael Graff Andersen; veritas-bu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients I hope there are no shortcuts because I'm going to feel silly after 6 years of pushing the client install one at a time. I can do groups of clients but it still installs only one at a time. It's not as if you have to sit and babysit the installation once it gets started but it's still a tedious process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graff Andersen Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:48 AM To: veritas-bu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients Hi After spending most of the day upgrading our about 100 clients using the installer, I began wonder how others do it. Would like to hear what others do with their windows clients Regards Michael ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This Email has been scanned for all viruses by PAETEC Email Scanning Services, utilizing MessageLabs proprietary SkyScan infrastructure. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.paetec.com. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] timestamps and incremental backup from snapshot on windows
Hi, We are trying to do an incremental backup from a snapshot volume mounted to a different server, using NBU 6.0 MP4. The full backup works fine, however the incremental backup just performs a full backup as well. We are not using the archive bit but relying on the datetime stamp mentioned in the NBU manual. Is there a way to reset or modify these datetime stamps, so I can fake the last full backup date on our source volume ? Greetings seb -- Sebastian Schönwetter Zaakvoerder Open2 BVBA Ninoofsesteenweg 48 B-1750 Eizeringen (Lennik) Phone: +32 2 460 39 86 Fax: +32 2 460 88 49 Mobile +32 485 844 368 TVA-BTW BE 0866 285 026 RPM Bruxelles RPR Brussel ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup changes
We used to use subversion (SVN) a version control system to track our changes. We would first do a list of all of the policies using the following command: bppllist -allpolicies -U policylistfile This file was then checked into subversion along with a change control request number (we did not make changes without first getting a request from someone). This system was very useful in finding out when what changes to the backup policies were made. So, if we needed to find out who made the change to the path for a given policy, we could look it up and find out that there was a request to do so by a given user.very helpful indeed! --stuart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 8:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup changes We do use tripwire. It gives us the what but not the who. One problem for auditing we've found is that the while the java gui can log the command strings, there's always the command line to circumvent. If you don't hand out root and only use the GUI, then you can add the -lc option to the jnbSA command line and log the commands it runs in the background. So, write a wrapper script to jnbSA, add the -lc option and a specific log file location like this and you're got something that might work. example: cat jnb /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/jnbSA -l /usr/openv/netbackup/logs/gui_logs/$USER.`date +%y%m%d%H%M%S` -lc ... It's not much but it keeps our auditors happy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:34 AM To: 'Jimmy Stewpot'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup changes You don't mention what OS, but perhaps tripwire or big brother would be of help. Regards, Patrick Whelan Whelan Consulting Limited VERITAS Certified NetBackup Support Engineer for UNIX. VERITAS Certified NetBackup Support Engineer for Microsoft Windows. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jimmy Stewpot Sent: 15 February 2008 15:37 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup changes Hello, I am interested to know if anyone has or knows of any software which can easily track the changes made in netbackup. We have a fairly large install and would like to be able to track who makes changes to what and when for obvious reasons. I have had a look at the documentation but its not clear if its possible in the standard product. Does anyone have any advice that they can provide me? Regards, Jimmy ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients
What's been your experience with LiveUpdate? --- W. Curtis Preston Backup Blog @ www.backupcentral.com VP Data Protection, GlassHouse Technologies -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:veritas-bu- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rcarlisle Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 4:22 AM To: 'Randy Samora'; 'Michael Graff Andersen'; 'veritas-bu' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients Installs are still kind of ugly...but now with 6.5 you can use LiveUpdate for patching. That will at least make that process easier. Reneé Carlisle ServerWare Corporation -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Randy Samora Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 7:31 PM To: Michael Graff Andersen; veritas-bu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients I hope there are no shortcuts because I'm going to feel silly after 6 years of pushing the client install one at a time. I can do groups of clients but it still installs only one at a time. It's not as if you have to sit and babysit the installation once it gets started but it's still a tedious process. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Graff Andersen Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 10:48 AM To: veritas-bu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Upgrade of windows clients Hi After spending most of the day upgrading our about 100 clients using the installer, I began wonder how others do it. Would like to hear what others do with their windows clients Regards Michael ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu This Email has been scanned for all viruses by PAETEC Email Scanning Services, utilizing MessageLabs proprietary SkyScan infrastructure. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.paetec.com. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
