[Veritas-bu] Poll: How many times do you use a cleaning tape?

2008-10-26 Thread oersted

okay, so it goes like this..

tape drive costs $10K

cleaning tape $75

use it half the amount of times they say to use it and you're always safe

and who cares?
 
at this point , you're navel gazing

next thread



jpiszcz wrote:
 Quick poll,
 
 While various errata state the cleaning tape usage count can be as high as 
 50, others state 25.  Currently we use Sun Universal Cleaning tapes 
 (CLNUXXCU) where XX = a number.  How many times do other people use their 
 cleaning tapes?  25, 50 or some other number of times?
 
 Justin.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Reduce Volume Pools

2008-10-26 Thread Ed Wilts
On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:57 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To give you an example, lets say I have 5 SAP Servers. Each one has a
 total of 3 Volume Pools (Offline Backups, Redo Log Backups and Online
 Backups). 5 x 3 = 15 Volume Pools.


Yuck.  No wonder you want to fix that.


 My aim was to reduce this down to say 3 pools (SAP OFFLINE, SAP ONLINE
 and SAP REDO). Any SAP systems presently known to NetBackup or future
 backups for SAP can use these pools. Thus, trying to help reduce the
 amount of tapes in use.


You should attempt to reduce those three and combine them with all of the
other backups.  Do you really, really need to have physically separate tapes
for your SAP backups versus your file system backups?  In most environments,
the answer is no.  You don't even need a separate pool for online vs offline
tapes - NetBackup knows if the tape is in the robot or not.

We used to have separate pools by platform but don't even do that any more.
The fewer pools you have, the more likely you are to fill tapes.

Whatever you do, don't try to mix retentions on the same tape to reduce tape
utilization.  That could end up using a lot more tape in the long run rather
than less (if 90% of the tape is incrementals and there's a 7-year backup on
the same tape, then you can't reuse the space of those incrementals for 7
years).

   .../Ed
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Re: [Veritas-bu] End Of Life - NetBackup 5.1

2008-10-26 Thread Ed Wilts
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 11:57 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Thanks for this. I have a contract with Maintenance Support on NetBackup,
 but I just had concerns that come Dec 31st 2008, End Of Life meant 
 Sorry, we cannot take this call as the product is no longer supported.

 So I wanted to be 100% sure this would not happen.

 Shame Symantec cannot post anything on their site to clarify this.


Shame on you for not googling for this.

ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/290017.pdf

END OF SUPPORT LIFE: When the versions identified in the table above reach
 their End of Support Life, we will cease providing any Standard Support and
 any Partial Support. Please refer to the worldwide Symantec Corporation
 Enterprise Technical Support Policy (Policy) This Policy may be updated
 from time to time, and a current version is located at:
 http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/support/Symantec_Support_Policy.pdf In
 the event of conflict between timelines or deliverables stated in this
 notice letter and those stated in the Policy, the terms of this notice
 letter will control to the extent of such conflict, and only with respect to
 the specific products and versions covered in this notice.


The way I read it is that Symantec is certainly within its right to say Sorry,
we cannot take this call as the product is no longer supported.  You can
get online self-help and documentation, but that's about it.

If you want to call Symantec for support, it's time to upgrade.

   .../Ed
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netapp NBU NDMP ?

2008-10-26 Thread Ed Wilts
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Michael Graff Andersen [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]wrote:


 We have just had a presentation by Netapp and it seemed they could solve
 some of our problems

 My question is how is your experience with Netapp  NBU NDMP ?


The only issue we've seen is NDMP to DSSU failing to destage.  We've got an
EEB on the way.  NDMP to tape even in an SSO environment works fine.

   .../Ed
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Duplicating Image

2008-10-26 Thread Ed Wilts
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Roedy boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is there any change to duplicate image on tape to another tape using
 schedule/policy (not using vault). for exp : I want to run backup on 8pm and
 the duplicate the image on 10pm.


That's what storage lifecycle policies are all about.

   .../Ed
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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO4 Media Type

2008-10-26 Thread Ed Wilts
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:54 AM, rvadde
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 We currently have a lot of investment in LTO3 Drives and Tapes and moving
 forward with LTO4. Is there a way we can se LTO4 Media Type to be different
 than HCART3 in Netbackup?


The problem is that if you have only 1 scratch pool.  Mixing LTO-3 and LTO-4
can cause you some grief.  NetBackup 7.0 gets rid of hcart, hcart3, etc. and
does the right thing.  In theory :-)

   .../Ed
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Media Administration - Automating Ejection of Duplicate Copies to be offsited

2008-10-26 Thread Ed Wilts
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Jeffery Price [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

  Is there a way to automate the ejection of the offsite volumes without
 the Vault Option?


Sure, but you're just writing your own vault.  Vault was originally
developed as a set of scripts for use by a Veritas Professional Services
analyst.

All the hooks are there for you to do it yourself, but you need to look at
the cost of writing and maintaining it yourself versus just buying the
option.

   .../Ed
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Re: [Veritas-bu] LTO4 Media Type

2008-10-26 Thread bob944
  We currently have a lot of investment in LTO3 Drives and 
  Tapes and moving forward with LTO4. Is there a way we can
  se LTO4 Media Type to be different than HCART3 in Netbackup?

Yes, call it whatever you want.  Either manually or with barcode rules,
bring your new LTO4 media in as hcart.  Make your LTO4 drives also
hcart.  If your LTO3 drives and LTO3 media are both hcart3, NetBackup
will only put hcart3 tapes in hcart3 drives, hcart into hcart, 8mm into
8mm...  

 The problem is that if you have only 1 scratch pool.  Mixing 
 LTO-3 and LTO-4 can cause you some grief.

Unless I'm having a memory parity error--always possible--I used to run
5.x (at least, probably earlier), a scratch pool and two drive types
with corresponding media.



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