Re: [Veritas-bu] MS SQL Agents

[Bryan Bahnmiller]

Don,

  It entirely depends on your priorities.

   If you can't afford the cost of the agent, well, that's one way to do 
it. Although you better be figuring in the total ownership cost of 3X the 
disk space of having your live db and 2 backup copies online. That is not 
cheap either.

  I've always heard the DBA argument that we always want to have fast 
access to the disk for restores. I can't rebut the argument that the disk 
is more highly available than the backup system. However, I can say a SQL 
server backup to local disk, or restore from local disk, using native 
SQLserver tools has never been as fast as the NetBackup agent backup - 
that I have ever seen. Not that it is impossible, but in my years I 
haven't seen it.

  Also, if you have to go further back for a restore than what you have on 
disk, it is going to take you several times longer with more potential for 
errors - restore backup to disk, then restore the db from the disk 
restore.

  One more thing I'll say for the NetBackup SQL agent (or Oracle too.) 
Once I have introduced DBA's to the agent, demonstrated how the agent 
works, how the DBA's can now completely manage their own backups and 
restores, they have never gone back.

  Bryan


All,
  I am currently looking for info on backing up MS SQL boxes and wondered 
if the agent actually does any type of snapshotting or are there scripts 
that have to pause the database and then the backup begins?  We currently 
have local scripts in place that put the database in a mainteneance mode 
and copies data to a data directory.  Then the script starts up the 
database and our Netbackup server comes in and does a regular backup of 
the box, which includes the data directory.  Why would I spend money for 
an agent when we get backups with this method?

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Re: [Veritas-bu] MS SQL Agents

[A Darren Dunham]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 02:23:09PM -0400, Wilcox, Donald A (GE,
Research) wrote:

Doesn't appear to have anything to do with shared libraries, so I
changed the subject.

> All,
>   I am currently looking for info on backing up MS SQL boxes and wondered if
> the agent actually does any type of snapshotting or are there scripts that
> have to pause the database and then the backup begins?

It doesn't have to pause for the entire backup period.  The impact is
similar to doing a local SQL backup to disk while the database is up.

> We currently have local scripts in place that put the database in a
> mainteneance mode and copies data to a data directory.  Then the
> script starts up the database and our Netbackup server comes in and
> does a regular backup of the box, which includes the data directory.
> Why would I spend money for an agent when we get backups with this
> method?

You may not want to.  But there are features you get from the agent.  

* Don't have to maintain local scripts.  They can break and people can
  forget about them.  I've been called in to places that had 4 months of
  "good" backups on tape that were worthless because the local script
  had been disabled and the files being backed up weren't current.

* DBA visibility of backups, ability to restore directly.  Don't have to
  do a file restore followed by a DB restore.  DBA can easily tell which
  tape backup has what data on it.

* No local storage required for a second copy.  Can roll straight to
  your media device.

* Agent can tie into other NBU features like Advanced/Snapshot client
  for low I/O impact of backup and fast restores.

I'm sure there are other features that assist DBAs more than backup
admins like me.

-- 
Darren
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

[Rusty.Major]

While we do a mix of both, I personally like the "backup to a file on disk 
then backup that file" method. If you've got the space to keep a file or 
three on disk, I find this works best as I usually don't have problems 
with having to support the agent and dealing with the finger pointing 
between backup admins and database admins. It's also quicker to recover 
from the flat file since it's already on the system and just needs a DBA 
to recover it.

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That's how we do our SQL backups as well.
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Good question…. As we do it the same as you.
We also have other high profile databases and we do (hot?) backups to disk 
(don’t take the database down) and then backup that backup file to tape.
 
From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Wilcox, 
Donald A (GE, Research)
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:23 PM
To: Don Peterson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library
 
All,
  I am currently looking for info on backing up MS SQL boxes and wondered 
if the agent actually does any type of snapshotting or are there scripts 
that have to pause the database and then the backup begins?  We currently 
have local scripts in place that put the database in a mainteneance mode 
and copies data to a data directory.  Then the script starts up the 
database and our Netbackup server comes in and does a regular backup of 
the box, which includes the data directory.  Why would I spend money for 
an agent when we get backups with this method?
 
Donald Wilcox 
1 Research Circle (KWC124B) 
Niskayuna, New York 12309 
Email: wil...@ge.com 
Office: 518 387-6856 
 
 

From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Don 
Peterson
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:54 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library
Harry,
The way to prevent NBU from inventorying all media is to use Inventory 
Filtering. This was covered at the end of the STK ACS appendix in the NBU 
6.0 Media Manager Sys Admin Guide, and this information was apparently 
rolled into Volume 1 of the NBU Sys Admin Guide in NBU 6.5, but I can’t 
find it. So, depending on whether you are running Windows or Unix, take a 
look at the end of that Appendix in the appropriate 6.0 Media Manager Sys 
Admin Guide. 
Here is a link to the Windows guide:
ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/279268.pdf
 

and a link to the UNIX guide:
ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/279267.pdf
 
 
Don Peterson
Principal Product Manager, NetBackup
Information Management Group
Symantec Corporation
www.symantec.com
Email: don_peter...@symantec.com
 


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

[Jonathan Dyck]

That's how we do our SQL backups as well.

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Good question As we do it the same as you.

We also have other high profile databases and we do (hot?)
backups to disk (don't take the database down) and then backup that
backup file to tape.

 

From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Wilcox,
Donald A (GE, Research)
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:23 PM
To: Don Peterson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

 

All,

  I am currently looking for info on backing up MS SQL boxes and
wondered if the agent actually does any type of snapshotting or are
there scripts that have to pause the database and then the backup
begins?  We currently have local scripts in place that put the database
in a mainteneance mode and copies data to a data directory.  Then the
script starts up the database and our Netbackup server comes in and does
a regular backup of the box, which includes the data directory.  Why
would I spend money for an agent when we get backups with this method?

 

Donald Wilcox 
1 Research Circle (KWC124B) 
Niskayuna, New York 12309 

Email: wil...@ge.com 
Office: 518 387-6856 

 

 



From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Don
Peterson
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:54 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

Harry,

The way to prevent NBU from inventorying all media is to use
Inventory Filtering. This was covered at the end of the STK ACS appendix
in the NBU 6.0 Media Manager Sys Admin Guide, and this information was
apparently rolled into Volume 1 of the NBU Sys Admin Guide in NBU 6.5,
but I can't find it. So, depending on whether you are running Windows or
Unix, take a look at the end of that Appendix in the appropriate 6.0
Media Manager Sys Admin Guide. 

Here is a link to the Windows guide:


ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Serv
er/279268.pdf
  

and a link to the UNIX guide:


ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Serv
er/279267.pdf
   

Don Peterson

Principal Product Manager, NetBackup

Information Management Group

Symantec Corporation

www.symantec.com

Email: don_peter...@symantec.com
 

 



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

[judy_hinchcliffe]

Good question As we do it the same as you.

We also have other high profile databases and we do (hot?) backups to
disk (don't take the database down) and then backup that backup file to
tape.

 

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[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Wilcox,
Donald A (GE, Research)
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 1:23 PM
To: Don Peterson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

 

All,

  I am currently looking for info on backing up MS SQL boxes and
wondered if the agent actually does any type of snapshotting or are
there scripts that have to pause the database and then the backup
begins?  We currently have local scripts in place that put the database
in a mainteneance mode and copies data to a data directory.  Then the
script starts up the database and our Netbackup server comes in and does
a regular backup of the box, which includes the data directory.  Why
would I spend money for an agent when we get backups with this method?

 

Donald Wilcox 
1 Research Circle (KWC124B) 
Niskayuna, New York 12309 

Email: wil...@ge.com 
Office: 518 387-6856 

 

 



From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Don
Peterson
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:54 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

Harry,

The way to prevent NBU from inventorying all media is to use Inventory
Filtering. This was covered at the end of the STK ACS appendix in the
NBU 6.0 Media Manager Sys Admin Guide, and this information was
apparently rolled into Volume 1 of the NBU Sys Admin Guide in NBU 6.5,
but I can't find it. So, depending on whether you are running Windows or
Unix, take a look at the end of that Appendix in the appropriate 6.0
Media Manager Sys Admin Guide. 

Here is a link to the Windows guide:

ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Serv
er/279268.pdf
  

and a link to the UNIX guide:

ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Serv
er/279267.pdf
   

Don Peterson

Principal Product Manager, NetBackup

Information Management Group

Symantec Corporation

www.symantec.com

Email: don_peter...@symantec.com  

 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

[Wilcox, Donald A (GE, Research)]

All,
  I am currently looking for info on backing up MS SQL boxes and wondered if
the agent actually does any type of snapshotting or are there scripts that
have to pause the database and then the backup begins?  We currently have
local scripts in place that put the database in a mainteneance mode and
copies data to a data directory.  Then the script starts up the database and
our Netbackup server comes in and does a regular backup of the box, which
includes the data directory.  Why would I spend money for an agent when we
get backups with this method?
 

Donald Wilcox 
1 Research Circle (KWC124B) 
Niskayuna, New York 12309 

Email: wil...@ge.com 
Office: 518 387-6856 

 

  _  

From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Don Peterson
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 9:54 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a library



Harry,

The way to prevent NBU from inventorying all media is to use Inventory
Filtering. This was covered at the end of the STK ACS appendix in the NBU
6.0 Media Manager Sys Admin Guide, and this information was apparently
rolled into Volume 1 of the NBU Sys Admin Guide in NBU 6.5, but I can't find
it. So, depending on whether you are running Windows or Unix, take a look at
the end of that Appendix in the appropriate 6.0 Media Manager Sys Admin
Guide. 

Here is a link to the Windows guide:

 

ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/2
79268.pdf 

and a link to the UNIX guide:

 

ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/2
79267.pdf  

Don Peterson

Principal Product Manager, NetBackup

Information Management Group

Symantec Corporation

www.symantec.com

Email:   don_peter...@symantec.com




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Re: [Veritas-bu] Using bpsetconfig to set exclusions

[Karl Rossing]

I finally got arround to place a service call with SUN about this. They 
in turn, placed a service call(320-231-464) with Symantec on it.

It seems that bpsetconfig sends a BPCD_SET_EXCLUDE_LIST_RQST that the 
windows client does not interpret. Setting the exclude using jnbSA does 
work BUT it's kinda of a pain to manage.

bpsetconfig not setting excludes from a unix master to a windows client 
seems to not be a bug. There maybe support in the future. Who knows when 
that will be.

We don't have an account rep with Symantec so putting in an RFE is a bit 
of a pain.

With luck a really large customer will want this feature.

Anyway, that's it for now.

Karl

Karl Rossing wrote:
> I would like to set windows client exclusions using bpsetconfig on our 
> solaris master server via the command line.
>
> More information can be found here:
> http://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/setting-and-getting-excludeinclude-lists-without-bpgp
>
> I was hoping that the feature would exist in 6.5.4
>
> It does not appear to be in 6.5.4
>
> -bash-3.00$ /opt/csw/bin/sudo ./bpsetconfig -e 
> /opt/openv/netbackup/windows.exclude -h host.domain.com
> unimplemented feature
>
> Can anyone else confirm this?
>
> Karl
>
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Sharing a SL8500 library - using ACSLS

[David McMullin]

Harry - use the ACSLS to take care of this. Here is more than you ever wanted 
to know!


I share an SL8500 between NB and an AS/400, it works fine.

I use Access Control, and watch_vols to assign tapes, I never see the AS/400 
tapes in my inventory.
(go to SUN web site and find pdf ACSLS73ADM.pdf - the Admin Guide)

All files have fairly good test help inside.

1. Define your controlling systems (mine are edla and edlb for NB, SYS400 for 
AS/400)
Modify file {ACSS HOME}/data/external/access_control/internet.addresses

99.99.99.9  SYS400  # AS/400 IP address
99.99.99.7  edla# CBC-DL-1528-A IP address
99.99.99.8  edlb# CBC-DL-1528-B IP address


2. Set up groups - defines groups of users based on addresses in step 1. I add 
user acsss for operator access.
Modify file {ACSS HOME}/data/external/access_control/users.ALL.allow

edl edlaedlbacsss
SYS400  CBC400  acsss   

3. Define Tape groups on acsls server:
Modify file {ACSS HOME}/data/external/vol_attr.dat

It has good comments in it, here is my last few lines:
# Volser | Owner | Pool | Force | Move to LSM
00-99|edl||force|
I0-I9|SYS400||force|

Tapes 00-9 are owned by edl (which is a group, for NB) 
Tapes I0-I9 are AS/400 tapes and do not show up in NB

4. Start watch_vols (watch_vols start)

5. Audit your robot.

6. I actually set up a script my operators can run :
# cat chown.tapes.ksh
#!/usr/bin/ksh
#
# uses cmd_proc_shell to issue commands to cmd_proc
#
#

echo "changing owner of 00-99"
/export/home/ACSSS/utils/cmd_proc_shell set owner edl vol 00-99
echo
echo "changing owner of CLNU00-CLNU99"
/export/home/ACSSS/utils/cmd_proc_shell set owner SYS vol CLNU00-CLNU99
echo
echo "changing owner of I0-I9"
/export/home/ACSSS/utils/cmd_proc_shell set owner SYS400 vol I0-I9
echo

/export/home/ACSSS/bin/volrpt -f ~acsss/data/external/volrpt/owner_id.volrpt


Hope that helps!




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Subject[Veritas-bu] Sharing a library
We have an SL8500 that will be sharing applications (NetBackup and Quantum 
Storage Manager).

The Quantum will be using 9840D tape drives and NetBackup will use LTO4, and we 
are not hard partitioning the library. The tapes for the
different apps have different barcode schemes. The NBU tapes all start with 
BKP***.

Is there a way to tell NBU to only add tapes that start with BKP to its volume 
database?

I have scanned through the manuals and done some volume previews with different 
options and nothing has worked so far. ACSLS reports both
9840D and LTO tapes as HCART so I cant specify that way...

Harry S.
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[Veritas-bu] Sharing a library

[Don Peterson]

Harry,

The way to prevent NBU from inventorying all media is to use Inventory
Filtering. This was covered at the end of the STK ACS appendix in the
NBU 6.0 Media Manager Sys Admin Guide, and this information was
apparently rolled into Volume 1 of the NBU Sys Admin Guide in NBU 6.5,
but I can't find it. So, depending on whether you are running Windows or
Unix, take a look at the end of that Appendix in the appropriate 6.0
Media Manager Sys Admin Guide. 

Here is a link to the Windows guide:

ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Serv
er/279268.pdf 

and a link to the UNIX guide:

ftp://exftpp.symantec.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Serv
er/279267.pdf  

Don Peterson
Principal Product Manager, NetBackup
Information Management Group
Symantec Corporation
www.symantec.com

Email: don_peter...@symantec.com




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Re: [Veritas-bu] Generating Backup Report through Netbackup

[Steve Fogarty]

For a list of scheduled backups, you can use

/usr/openv/netbackup/bin/admincmd/nbpemreq -predict -date 

Steve



On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Baldwin Sung  wrote:

> Hi Adrian,
>
> For the report...
> Have a look the mail_bp_reports script in /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/
> goodies.
>
> Add the script and an email address to a daily cron job.
>
> For the sched, try bpsched or bpclsched with a time stamp.
>
> hope this helps
> -Baldwin
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Adrian Soetanto <
> adrian.soeta...@bentoel.co.id
>  > wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Is there a way to automatically generate a backup report/schedule in
> > Veritas Netbackup?
> > I use Veritas Netbackup v6.5.4.
> > How can I get such report based on the policy had been made?
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >   Adrian Soetanto
> >   PT. Bentoel Prima - Infrastructure Staff
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Generating Backup Report through Netbackup

[Baldwin Sung]

Hi Adrian,

For the report...
Have a look the mail_bp_reports script in /usr/openv/netbackup/bin/ 
goodies.

Add the script and an email address to a daily cron job.

For the sched, try bpsched or bpclsched with a time stamp.

hope this helps
-Baldwin

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On Oct 23, 2009, at 5:22 AM, Adrian Soetanto  wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Is there a way to automatically generate a backup report/schedule in  
> Veritas Netbackup?
> I use Veritas Netbackup v6.5.4.
> How can I get such report based on the policy had been made?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>   Adrian Soetanto
>   PT. Bentoel Prima - Infrastructure Staff
>   Jl. Raya Karanglo - Singosari, Malang
>   Tel. (+62-341) 298 774
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[Veritas-bu] Generating Backup Report through Netbackup

[Adrian Soetanto]

Dear all,

Is there a way to automatically generate a backup report/schedule in Veritas 
Netbackup?
I use Veritas Netbackup v6.5.4.
How can I get such report based on the policy had been made?

Thank you in advance.


Best Regards, 
  Adrian Soetanto
  PT. Bentoel Prima - Infrastructure Staff 
  Jl. Raya Karanglo - Singosari, Malang 
  Tel. (+62-341) 298 774 

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