Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
On Feb 4, 2008 4:33 PM, Ed Wilts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's been a while since I've done the head-to-head but I recently asked my > salesrep for a quote on VBR to see if it might be worthwhile be switching. > VBR is considerably more expensive than Aptare's StorageConsole. However, I > will add that I just saw Aptare's new license terms today and didn't like > them one bit. I've got a query in to them... To show you how well Aptare responds, my query was answered (satisfactorily) at 11:30pm by their CFO. I also received a phone call from their CEO at 6:30am his time this morning. My concerns were unfounded and referred to old wording of the EULA. Others may have complained about Aptare's tech support, but in general I've found them pretty good. I do plan my upgrades around their schedule (we're 2 hours ahead of them) but I also get email responses from them around their clock. Unlike some vendors, they're willing to work with you to do the right thing although they don't have 7x24 support like Veritas does. They all speak proper English though. Aptare does have a marketing competitive analysis of their product vs VBR. I'm sure Veritas has one of their own with their own sides of the truth. See if you can get your hands on those and determine your own truth from them. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
I forgot to mention before hitting the send button that Rich Rose, a well respected Veritas/Symantec employee, was a member of the VBR team and has recently left to join the Aptare team. Rumor has it that the whole US based team who originally wrote the product was outsourced to developers in India. That speaks a lot to me about the state of VBR within the company as well as very promising for the future of Aptare. As others have said, the bottom line is to do your homework and find the best product for your needs. -Rusty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter We are doing one right now, but won't have any info for a couple of weeks. We currently use Aptare (6.0.24), but my manager was wowed by VBR at the recent Veritas Engineering Conference so we are now looking at VBR. There are quite a few nice enhancements in Aptare 6.5 that we are waiting on, so I think that will close up the race quite a bit. I'll report back when we have our findings, but I would recommend that you do a comparison of both tools. I know that VBR can collect data and then you can send that data to Symantec who will then bundle it into a useable product with your collected data. I'm pretty sure Aptare can do this same thing, but don't quote me on that. For us, this will be VERY nice for a side by side comparison. You'll also need to know what reports you want or might want in the future as there may be some things coming out soon that you wouldn't otherwise know about. There's also the storage reporting features of Aptare, which I do not believe VBR does, but there's probably another Symantec product that covers that. I believe both vendors can report on TSM, BackupExec, Legato, etc., but how well each one does it is a different story. I'll remember to post what we decide on and why when we are done with the comparison. -Rusty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Forester, Jack L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:53 PMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it yet hold a candle to Storage Console? Jack L. Forester, Jr. UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf Lockheed Martin Information Technology (304) 625-3946 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
All, I have done a couple of comparisons with VBR and different reporting tools and what I have found is that its a give&take situation. Depending on the features you need, Aptare is probably the best out there followed by BackupVISUAL (though BackupVISUAL is a good tool, its implementation is a little bit questionable, IMHO) followed by VBR followed by etc... you get the idea. My biggest problem is that VBR does not handle/record/update change very well and with a mixed environment with multiple Master/Media boxes on varied networks, the problems become even more evident including inconsistent numbers (currently we offset this with some heavy perl scripting). To their defense VBR is stable, installation has always been smooth and crashes are next to non-existent but what that's worth compared to other products. well I guess it comes down to price/needs. On Feb 5, 2008 5:50 AM, Kevin Whittaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would agree with Ed, that Aptare is a much better product them VBR. > > Depending on your size, check out backupVISUAL. It is a very easy product > to learn and it was extremely simple to install. > > Kevin > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Ed Wilts > *Sent:* Monday, February 04, 2008 5:34 PM > *To:* Forester, Jack L > *Cc:* veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup > Reporter > > It's been a while since I've done the head-to-head but I recently asked my > salesrep for a quote on VBR to see if it might be worthwhile be switching. > VBR is considerably more expensive than Aptare's StorageConsole. However, I > will add that I just saw Aptare's new license terms today and didn't like > them one bit. I've got a query in to them... > > In terms of straight feature comparisons, I believe that Aptare still wins > (it wasn't even close when we purchased StorageConsole). I've seen their > 6.5 release although I haven't had a chance to install it yet and it's > quite impressive - I've been hounding my Unix admins to give me a production > environment to put it on (it doesn't support RHEL 3 which is where I'm > currently at on the portal). > > The one thing I've noticed about backup reporting products is that there > are features in there that are very important to some customers and very > useless to others. There may be 1 feature in there that you absolutely have > to have so it's in your best interest to have a detailed look at what you > need and what each product has to offer. Start with price quotes from both > vendors, pick the cheapest, do a through analysis of it, and if it meets all > of your needs, you're done. If there's stuff missing, then you may have to > step up in price. What you'll find out, though, is that in some cases > you're paying for features you may never need and that's just wasting money. > > Aptare and Veritas aren't the only players in the game these days either. > > Yes, I know that both Veritas and Aptare are listening :-) > >.../Ed > > On Feb 4, 2008 3:53 PM, Forester, Jack L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if > > anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup > > Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas > > product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. > > I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it > > yet hold a candle to Storage Console? > > > > -- > Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > -- Matthew MCP, MCSA, MCTS, OCA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Define Trouble: Why did you apply THAT patch?? ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
I would agree with Ed, that Aptare is a much better product them VBR. Depending on your size, check out backupVISUAL. It is a very easy product to learn and it was extremely simple to install. Kevin From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:34 PM To: Forester, Jack L Cc: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter It's been a while since I've done the head-to-head but I recently asked my salesrep for a quote on VBR to see if it might be worthwhile be switching. VBR is considerably more expensive than Aptare's StorageConsole. However, I will add that I just saw Aptare's new license terms today and didn't like them one bit. I've got a query in to them... In terms of straight feature comparisons, I believe that Aptare still wins (it wasn't even close when we purchased StorageConsole). I've seen their 6.5 release although I haven't had a chance to install it yet and it's quite impressive - I've been hounding my Unix admins to give me a production environment to put it on (it doesn't support RHEL 3 which is where I'm currently at on the portal). The one thing I've noticed about backup reporting products is that there are features in there that are very important to some customers and very useless to others. There may be 1 feature in there that you absolutely have to have so it's in your best interest to have a detailed look at what you need and what each product has to offer. Start with price quotes from both vendors, pick the cheapest, do a through analysis of it, and if it meets all of your needs, you're done. If there's stuff missing, then you may have to step up in price. What you'll find out, though, is that in some cases you're paying for features you may never need and that's just wasting money. Aptare and Veritas aren't the only players in the game these days either. Yes, I know that both Veritas and Aptare are listening :-) .../Ed On Feb 4, 2008 3:53 PM, Forester, Jack L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it yet hold a candle to Storage Console? -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
We went for VBR as Aptare didn't even reply on our request for a demo. Michael 2008/2/4, Forester, Jack L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if > anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup > Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas > product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. > I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it > yet hold a candle to Storage Console? > > Jack L. Forester, Jr. > UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf > Lockheed Martin Information Technology > (304) 625-3946 > > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
We abandoned Backup Reporter early in the 5.x era and moved to Aptare. We haven't installed 6.5 yet but previous releases have provided better reports than the old Backup Reporter. I am not impressed by Aptare tech support at all though. It appears to be a relatively small company with a great product. If the install goes good and the product is stable, you'll have great reports whenever you need them. If anything goes wrong, plan for some down time because Aptare doesn't appear to have too many Engineers on the tech support line. I'm in Houston and it's 10 o'clock my time before I can even get someone on the phone in the morning. But when it works, it provides just about everything I could want in a reporting tool. Thanks, Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forester, Jack L Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:53 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it yet hold a candle to Storage Console? Jack L. Forester, Jr. UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf Lockheed Martin Information Technology (304) 625-3946 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
We are doing one right now, but won't have any info for a couple of weeks. We currently use Aptare (6.0.24), but my manager was wowed by VBR at the recent Veritas Engineering Conference so we are now looking at VBR. There are quite a few nice enhancements in Aptare 6.5 that we are waiting on, so I think that will close up the race quite a bit. I'll report back when we have our findings, but I would recommend that you do a comparison of both tools. I know that VBR can collect data and then you can send that data to Symantec who will then bundle it into a useable product with your collected data. I'm pretty sure Aptare can do this same thing, but don't quote me on that. For us, this will be VERY nice for a side by side comparison. You'll also need to know what reports you want or might want in the future as there may be some things coming out soon that you wouldn't otherwise know about. There's also the storage reporting features of Aptare, which I do not believe VBR does, but there's probably another Symantec product that covers that. I believe both vendors can report on TSM, BackupExec, Legato, etc., but how well each one does it is a different story. I'll remember to post what we decide on and why when we are done with the comparison. -Rusty From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of "Forester, Jack L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:53 PMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it yet hold a candle to Storage Console? Jack L. Forester, Jr. UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf Lockheed Martin Information Technology (304) 625-3946 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
It's been a while since I've done the head-to-head but I recently asked my salesrep for a quote on VBR to see if it might be worthwhile be switching. VBR is considerably more expensive than Aptare's StorageConsole. However, I will add that I just saw Aptare's new license terms today and didn't like them one bit. I've got a query in to them... In terms of straight feature comparisons, I believe that Aptare still wins (it wasn't even close when we purchased StorageConsole). I've seen their 6.5 release although I haven't had a chance to install it yet and it's quite impressive - I've been hounding my Unix admins to give me a production environment to put it on (it doesn't support RHEL 3 which is where I'm currently at on the portal). The one thing I've noticed about backup reporting products is that there are features in there that are very important to some customers and very useless to others. There may be 1 feature in there that you absolutely have to have so it's in your best interest to have a detailed look at what you need and what each product has to offer. Start with price quotes from both vendors, pick the cheapest, do a through analysis of it, and if it meets all of your needs, you're done. If there's stuff missing, then you may have to step up in price. What you'll find out, though, is that in some cases you're paying for features you may never need and that's just wasting money. Aptare and Veritas aren't the only players in the game these days either. Yes, I know that both Veritas and Aptare are listening :-) .../Ed On Feb 4, 2008 3:53 PM, Forester, Jack L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if > anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup > Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas > product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. > I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it > yet hold a candle to Storage Console? > -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] Aptare Storage Console vs. Veritas Backup Reporter
I'm looking at reporting tools for NetBackup, and was wondering if anyone has done a head-to-head comparison of Storage Console vs. Backup Reporter. Aptare has always received high praise here, and the Veritas product, well, has never been mentioned in the same breath as Aptare. I've heard that Backup reporter has improved over the years, but can it yet hold a candle to Storage Console? Jack L. Forester, Jr. UNIX Systems Administrator, Stf Lockheed Martin Information Technology (304) 625-3946 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
