Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-08 Thread Paul Keating
IBM 435?
 
I like the sound of thatI just bought a couple V40zs
 
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47 MB/sec for a windows SAN media server with SCSI attached
library with LTO2 drives. 
The rest ran at around 12-15 MB/sec on a 1GB network. Servers
were IBM 435s and SUN 
V40zs. BTW the SUNs made the IBMs look like 286s. 



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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-07 Thread Dominik . J . Pietrzykowski

47 MB/sec for a windows SAN media server with SCSI attached library with 
LTO2 drives.
The rest ran at around 12-15 MB/sec on a 1GB network. Servers were IBM 
435s and SUN
V40zs. BTW the SUNs made the IBMs look like 286s.





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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are getting 
backing up windows servers. 

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on master/media 
servers. 

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director. 
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives 
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port feeding each 
tape drive. 
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC attached 
Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.) 
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32 bit. Seems 
32 bit servers are actually faster. 

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix and Netware 
can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration. 
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have some kind of 
idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows! 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Bobby R Windle
I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are getting 
backing up windows servers.

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on master/media 
servers.

a.  Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director.
b.  IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives
c.  Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port feeding each 
tape drive.
d.  The storage on the windows servers is FC attached Hitachi 
Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.)
e.  Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32 bit. Seems 32 
bit servers are actually faster.

note:   Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix and Netware can 
get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration.
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have some kind of 
idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows! 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread ckstehman
I have noticed that we usually get 10-15MB on our Solairs servers and 
about 6-7MB on windows.  Our connections are
1G in all cases. Like you I don't know why.  (Windows is windows...?)
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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are getting 
backing up windows servers. 

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on master/media 
servers. 

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director. 
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives 
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port feeding each 
tape drive. 
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC attached 
Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.) 
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32 bit. Seems 
32 bit servers are actually faster. 

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix and Netware 
can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration. 
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have some kind of 
idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows! 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Paul Keating
Are these LAN clients or SAN Media Servers or what?
I can get close to 30MB/s from HP DL360/380 G3s from local disks via the
onboard GigE card. IF I'm only running a single job
 
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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are
getting backing up windows servers. 

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on
master/media servers. 

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director. 
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives 
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port
feeding each tape drive. 
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC
attached Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.) 
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32
bit. Seems 32 bit servers are actually faster. 

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix
and Netware can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration. 
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have
some kind of idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows! 

Bobby Windle ( Data backup  Recovery )
W.L. Gore  associates, Inc.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Karl . Rossing
We get between 6MB/sec and 12MB/sec on single streams going to a NB 6.0 
MP3 server running Solaris 10 over the LAN. The data gets staged to the 
SAN and then gets backed up to LTO2 drives.

I have noticed a significant increase in backup speed with BroadCOM copper 
GB adapters by simply upgrading the Microsoft provided driver to a 
Broadcom driver. We currently like version 9.81d. It's kind of hit/miss 
with broadcom, some versions of the driver seem to work better than 
others.

This http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/242918.htm document helps you 
gage the backup disk speed on you're NB client. It's particularly useful 
in ruling out the local drives as a bottleneck.




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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are getting 
backing up windows servers. 

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on master/media 
servers. 

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director. 
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives 
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port feeding each 
tape drive. 
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC attached 
Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.) 
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32 bit. Seems 
32 bit servers are actually faster. 

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix and Netware 
can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration. 
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have some kind of 
idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows! 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Clem Kruger \(C\)

Hi There,

 

There are a number of issues that may cause the Windows backup to slow
down.

 

1.  Make sure you do not have tracker.exe running
2.  Ensure that all networks a set to full duplex. Some NIC's
cannot be set to 1000 full duplex. Rather set these to 100 full in
that case (Nic's and Switch)
3.  Make sure that all servers are set not to scan for virus when
a file is opened on the server. ( no sense in this if the incoming
file was scanned) Big cause of data backing up slowly.
4.  Make sure that you have the correct firmware on both the tapes
and library.
5.  Use iperf to test your network speed.
6.  Lower your logging

 

These are but a few items that may cause a backup to be slow. You can
find iperf @ http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/

 

Good luck.

 

 

 

 

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I have noticed that we usually get 10-15MB on our Solairs servers and
about 6-7MB on windows.  Our connections are 
1G in all cases. Like you I don't know why.  (Windows is windows...?) 
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Pepco Holdings, Inc.
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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are getting
backing up windows servers. 

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on master/media
servers. 

   a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director. 
   b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives 
   c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port feeding
each tape drive. 
   d.The storage on the windows servers is FC attached
Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.) 
   e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32 bit.
Seems 32 bit servers are actually faster. 

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix and
Netware can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration. 
   So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have some kind
of idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows! 

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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Martin, Jonathan \(Contractor\)
Ok ok, enough with all the winblows bashing. =P
 
We're running something similar to your config here.
 
MCData 4700 SAN Switches
HP LTO3 Drives
Qlogic 4Gb cards
FC Attached Hitachi AMS500 (Next get Tagmastore I think)
Dell 2950's
 
The best backup times I've seen over gigabit to gigabit Ethernet are
45MB/sec.  But your configuration and data contents are going to vary
that number greatly.  Using the same hardware and configurations I've
got all kinds of windows boxes that run at all kinds of different
speeds.  I'm having trouble getting my file servers better than 20MB/sec
because of all the small files, but my Oracle Database servers easily
push 30MB/sec or better.  My fastest backup is an Oracle DB and I think
with SAN tuning I can get that into the 60MB/sec range.
 
-Jonathan



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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are getting
backing up windows servers. 

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on master/media
servers. 

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director. 
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives 
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port feeding each
tape drive. 
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC attached
Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.) 
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32 bit.
Seems 32 bit servers are actually faster. 

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix and
Netware can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration. 
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have some kind
of idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows! 

Bobby Windle ( Data backup  Recovery )
W.L. Gore  associates, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread M S
Bobby,

You may also want to check if your NIC on windows server is throttled down 
by Windows by default.  I have heard about this that Windows by default will 
throttle down to some very low throughput.  Please check further into it.

Muhammad Shafi
Senior Unix Admin

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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are
getting backing up windows servers.

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on
master/media servers.

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director.
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port
feeding each tape drive.
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC
attached Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.)
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32
bit. Seems 32 bit servers are actually faster.

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix
and Netware can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration.
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have
some kind of idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows!

Bobby Windle ( Data backup  Recovery )
W.L. Gore  associates, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cell : (302) 588-7374 (preferred)
office: (302) 292-4026


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Edson Noboru Yamada

A important thing to consider is file system fragmentation and
number and size of files, which may impactseverely on performance.

In order to check this, try to create a single big file (2 GB, for example)
and
create a test policy to backup only that file. Under normal conditions,
on a idle system/network, you should be able to get over 50 MB/s.




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Bobby,

You may also want to check if your NIC on windows server is throttled down
by Windows by default.  I have heard about this that Windows by default
will
throttle down to some very low throughput.  Please check further into it.

Muhammad Shafi
Senior Unix Admin

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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are
getting backing up windows servers.

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on
master/media servers.

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director.
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port
feeding each tape drive.
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC
attached Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.)
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32
bit. Seems 32 bit servers are actually faster.

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix
and Netware can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration.
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have
some kind of idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows!

Bobby Windle ( Data backup  Recovery )
W.L. Gore  associates, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
cell : (302) 588-7374 (preferred)
office: (302) 292-4026


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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Cornely, David
You may also want to try these things (I found some of these in a forum
from a search on Google):

1) On a windows system, check to see if tracker.exe is running.  If it
is, kill it.  This will release some I/O on the filesystems.  You can
also check to see if it is started up at boot time and turn that off:
Start-Run-msconfig (hit enter)
Go to the Startup tab and uncheck the tracker.exe

2) On the client, touch the file /Install Path/netbackup/dont_sort_dir


3) In the client's bp.conf, add this:
LOCKED_FILE_ACTION = SKIP

 



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A important thing to consider is file system fragmentation and
number and size of files, which may impactseverely on performance.

In order to check this, try to create a single big file (2 GB, for
example) and 
create a test policy to backup only that file. Under normal conditions, 
on a idle system/network, you should be able to get over 50 MB/s.





On 1/5/07, M S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Bobby,

You may also want to check if your NIC on windows server is throttled
down
by Windows by default.  I have heard about this that Windows by default
will
throttle down to some very low throughput.  Please check further into
it. 

Muhammad Shafi
Senior Unix Admin

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I'm curious to hear what kind of speeds (mbs/sec) others are 
getting backing up windows servers.

Running Netbackup Enterprise 5.1 mp6 under Solaris10 on
master/media servers.

a.Using brocade 2g ports 48000 director.
b.IBM Ultrium LTO Gen2 drives 
c.Sun branded Qlogic 2gb cards. single port
feeding each tape drive.
d.The storage on the windows servers is FC
attached Hitachi Tagmastore 9990.  (Very fast drive configuration.) 
e. Servers are HP G5's also 64 bit. Some are 32
bit. Seems 32 bit servers are actually faster.

note: Some of my other backups such as Solaris, Linix
and Netware can get as much as 20 mb/sec with this configuration. 
So why are the windows servers so slow? Any  one have
some kind of idea what may be a cause?  Or it is what it is!  Windows!

Bobby Windle ( Data backup  Recovery )
W.L . Gore  associates, Inc.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Backup speeds Windows servers

2007-01-05 Thread Ed Wilts
On 1/5/2007 12:06 PM, Edson Noboru Yamada wrote:
 A important thing to consider is file system fragmentation and number
 and size of files, which may impactseverely on performance.

Absolutely.  Lots and lots of litle files with a standard policy will
*kill* you in performance

 In order to check this, try to create a single big file (2 GB, for 
 example) and create a test policy to backup only that file. Under
 normal conditions, on a idle system/network, you should be able to
 get over 50 MB/s.

We see 60-70MB/sec regularly using FlashBackup on Windows while backup
over a GigE network to an LTO-3 drive (through a Decru encryption
appliance).  We set network buffer sizes to 132096.  On other clients
that have to walk the file system, we can see pretty dismal performance.

Try to backup from the client to the null device.  Instructions are on
the Veritas support site and in this list's archive.  That will tell you
how fast you're reading the file system using the NetBackup tools.  If
you can't read it off of disk fast enough, then NetBackup isn't going to
be doing much for you.

.../Ed
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