Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
Disk Pools are not supported. I think this is ridiculous because if I want NBU to handle putting it on disk, I have to create a normal dssu and segragate storage just for that. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ▪ Sr. Storage Engineer ▪ SunGard Availability Services ▪ 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ▪ 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected® ▪ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Len Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/02/2008 09:31 AM To "VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu" cc Subject Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold Yes the netbackup hot catalog backups can be written to disk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of toaster Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold About that, is it possible to do a hotbackup, and then write it to disk? (so it can be copied over network to another system, for backup purpose) thanks, +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
Yes the netbackup hot catalog backups can be written to disk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of toaster Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:27 AM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold About that, is it possible to do a hotbackup, and then write it to disk? (so it can be copied over network to another system, for backup purpose) thanks, +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
About that, is it possible to do a hotbackup, and then write it to disk? (so it can be copied over network to another system, for backup purpose) thanks, +-- |This was sent by [EMAIL PROTECTED] via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to [EMAIL PROTECTED] +-- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
Incidentally, I was on a Netbackup 6.5 course last week, the instructor mentioned that cold backups will no longer be available in NB 7.0 Regards, Brendan Clover Information Technologist Systems Infrastructure University of South Australia Phone: +61 8 830 23641 Fax: +61 8 830 25800 Log your own service calls here: http://www.unisa.edu.au/helpdesk AskIT documentation and FAQs: http://www.unisa.edu.au/askit --- This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorised. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately -- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 16:58:47 +0100 From: Dave Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks guys. Some good responses there and yes i can now see why its a good idea and extremely useful for people who don't have down time. My systems are not large enough for me to hit that problem thankfully and so it hasn't been a requirement of mine as yet. I think what i am best doing is enabling hot backups but to run during the day when i can assume most of the jobs have finished. If a job is still running the information for that will be backed up on the next catalogue hot backup, which while will leave me exposed should everything hit the fan before this second hot backup has ran, will still leave me with the majority of good images. Cheers Dave Markham wrote: > guys i'm newish to version 6 and one of the big things is it's ability > to run hot catalogue backups. > > Im on solaris with various media servers yada yada > > I'm just confused as to why running a hot catalogue backup, potentially > when other backups are running, is a good thing? > > I have the catalogues cold backed up when scheduled backups have > finished. This runs automatically. > I also do a second catalogue backup to disk (invoked from a script > calling bpbackupdb -dpath) which waits until any job has finished before > running. > > I just assume this is the best way as you get an up to date latest > catalogue backup after the nights backups have finished. > > Can someone enlighten me or point me to a white paper as to why the hot > method is better? > > I'm sure it is i just can't get it into my small head why at the mo :) > > Cheers > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > > -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu End of Veritas-bu Digest, Vol 29, Issue 43 ** ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
Thanks guys. Some good responses there and yes i can now see why its a good idea and extremely useful for people who don't have down time. My systems are not large enough for me to hit that problem thankfully and so it hasn't been a requirement of mine as yet. I think what i am best doing is enabling hot backups but to run during the day when i can assume most of the jobs have finished. If a job is still running the information for that will be backed up on the next catalogue hot backup, which while will leave me exposed should everything hit the fan before this second hot backup has ran, will still leave me with the majority of good images. Cheers Dave Markham wrote: > guys i'm newish to version 6 and one of the big things is it's ability > to run hot catalogue backups. > > Im on solaris with various media servers yada yada > > I'm just confused as to why running a hot catalogue backup, potentially > when other backups are running, is a good thing? > > I have the catalogues cold backed up when scheduled backups have > finished. This runs automatically. > I also do a second catalogue backup to disk (invoked from a script > calling bpbackupdb -dpath) which waits until any job has finished before > running. > > I just assume this is the best way as you get an up to date latest > catalogue backup after the nights backups have finished. > > Can someone enlighten me or point me to a white paper as to why the hot > method is better? > > I'm sure it is i just can't get it into my small head why at the mo :) > > Cheers > ___ > Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu > http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu > > > ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
> Because you can. --And it's reliable. On 9/25/08 10:39 AM, "A Darren Dunham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:07:15PM +0100, Dave Markham wrote: >> >> I'm just confused as to why running a hot catalogue backup, potentially >> when other backups are running, is a good thing? > > Because you can. > > If your catalog backup takes 6 hours, and you don't have 6 hours of > downtime from backups, it's going to be hard to accomplish. > >> I have the catalogues cold backed up when scheduled backups have >> finished. This runs automatically. > > Not everyone has a time when scheduled backups finish. > >> I just assume this is the best way as you get an up to date latest >> catalogue backup after the nights backups have finished. > > You can run the hot backup at the same time. > >> Can someone enlighten me or point me to a white paper as to why the hot >> method is better? > > You can run cold backup when other backups aren't running. > > You can run hot backup when other backups aren't running, or if they > are. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 05:07:15PM +0100, Dave Markham wrote: > > I'm just confused as to why running a hot catalogue backup, potentially > when other backups are running, is a good thing? Because you can. If your catalog backup takes 6 hours, and you don't have 6 hours of downtime from backups, it's going to be hard to accomplish. > I have the catalogues cold backed up when scheduled backups have > finished. This runs automatically. Not everyone has a time when scheduled backups finish. > I just assume this is the best way as you get an up to date latest > catalogue backup after the nights backups have finished. You can run the hot backup at the same time. > Can someone enlighten me or point me to a white paper as to why the hot > method is better? You can run cold backup when other backups aren't running. You can run hot backup when other backups aren't running, or if they are. -- Darren ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
For me it is a lot better as I have backups and vaulting that run almost 24/7. My master server has approx 1.5 hours of idle time per day since moving to 6.x and doing hot backups. My cold catalog backups pre 6.x were running 3+ hours. That means that 1.5 hours worth of backups x 14 drives doing backups was costing me a lot of backup time missed 21 tape movement hours lost using cold backups. Doug Preston -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Markham Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:07 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold guys i'm newish to version 6 and one of the big things is it's ability to run hot catalogue backups. Im on solaris with various media servers yada yada I'm just confused as to why running a hot catalogue backup, potentially when other backups are running, is a good thing? I have the catalogues cold backed up when scheduled backups have finished. This runs automatically. I also do a second catalogue backup to disk (invoked from a script calling bpbackupdb -dpath) which waits until any job has finished before running. I just assume this is the best way as you get an up to date latest catalogue backup after the nights backups have finished. Can someone enlighten me or point me to a white paper as to why the hot method is better? I'm sure it is i just can't get it into my small head why at the mo :) Cheers ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
For those of us who never have quiet time to run a known good catalog backup, this has been a godsend. We've been running normal cold backups while other backups are running because we had no choice. Rusty Major, MCSE, BCFP, VCS ▪ Sr. Storage Engineer ▪ SunGard Availability Services ▪ 757 N. Eldridge Suite 200, Houston TX 77079 ▪ 281-584-4693 Keeping People and Information Connected® ▪ http://availability.sungard.com/ P Think before you print CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information, and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. Dave Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/25/2008 11:52 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To "veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu" cc Subject [Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold guys i'm newish to version 6 and one of the big things is it's ability to run hot catalogue backups. Im on solaris with various media servers yada yada I'm just confused as to why running a hot catalogue backup, potentially when other backups are running, is a good thing? I have the catalogues cold backed up when scheduled backups have finished. This runs automatically. I also do a second catalogue backup to disk (invoked from a script calling bpbackupdb -dpath) which waits until any job has finished before running. I just assume this is the best way as you get an up to date latest catalogue backup after the nights backups have finished. Can someone enlighten me or point me to a white paper as to why the hot method is better? I'm sure it is i just can't get it into my small head why at the mo :) Cheers ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NBU catalog backups hot vs cold
guys i'm newish to version 6 and one of the big things is it's ability to run hot catalogue backups. Im on solaris with various media servers yada yada I'm just confused as to why running a hot catalogue backup, potentially when other backups are running, is a good thing? I have the catalogues cold backed up when scheduled backups have finished. This runs automatically. I also do a second catalogue backup to disk (invoked from a script calling bpbackupdb -dpath) which waits until any job has finished before running. I just assume this is the best way as you get an up to date latest catalogue backup after the nights backups have finished. Can someone enlighten me or point me to a white paper as to why the hot method is better? I'm sure it is i just can't get it into my small head why at the mo :) Cheers ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
