Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification
http://www.symantec.com/docs/HOWTO44506 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Simon Weaver simon.wea...@iscl.net wrote: Hello George Many thanks that this as it is very very helpful information. Tell me I'm not fully aware of all the keywords in regards to the intelligent policy for VM But is there some sort of website or examples of the fall use of the VIP method so I can try to cut down my VMware backups? ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification
Anthony Thanks, but I was after some real world scenarios, as I had already found this already. Here is the problem I have.. I have many VM Guest machines that are Windows 2003 or Windows 2008 clusters. I need to somehow create a script to ignore clusters and RDM. Now, the RDM side, is ok - I have tested the query, but not put it into full practice yet. The results say its worked, but I cannot just kick off the backup, as it does not tell me how many it will do, and more so, 1000 VM's being backed up right now isnt an idea time :) My only other option, is to try and create a query against one VM Host I guess. See if it works. But ideally, was looking for examples of hte full use of VIP - In other words... people that have lots of experience who may share some queries on what can and cannot be done. hope this explains a bit more :) Simon From: Anatoly Pugachev [mailto:mator...@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 24/01/2013 09:53 To: Simon Weaver Cc: George Winter; Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification http://www.symantec.com/docs/HOWTO44506 On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Simon Weaver simon.wea...@iscl.net wrote: Hello George Many thanks that this as it is very very helpful information. Tell me I'm not fully aware of all the keywords in regards to the intelligent policy for VM But is there some sort of website or examples of the fall use of the VIP method so I can try to cut down my VMware backups? ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification
Hello again 2 posts in a day :) Rare! I am now looking at VMware Integration with vSphere 4.x and NBU 7.5.0.4. So far tests have gone well, but I got a quick question regarding RDM's. Essentially, I have over 1000 VM's with a mix of RDM's and no RDM's. Question: Is there any easy method in NBU, that can help me identify a VM Guest that has an RDM? I can use vCentre, but the sheer number of VM's we have makes it really hard to identify each guest. With RDM, I still have to backup the machine as a file level backup. In other words, as a Physical machine. But This is purely for data use, as alot of our RDM's have the Data presented to the VM. Also, I cannot snapshot Windows 2003 and 2008 guest cluster machines, due to a SCSI Bus conflict. So this would mean doing a file level backup for each node. Any tips would be apprecaited Thank you Simon ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification
Hi Simon. The NetBackup VMware Intelligent Policy (VIP) feature can select or exclude VMs for backup based on the existence of RDMs in the VM. The keyword is called: VMhasRDM Using VIP you can automatically select only VMs that do not have RDM's configured. -George Winter Symantec Corp From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Weaver Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:29 AM To: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification Hello again 2 posts in a day :) Rare! I am now looking at VMware Integration with vSphere 4.x and NBU 7.5.0.4. So far tests have gone well, but I got a quick question regarding RDM's. Essentially, I have over 1000 VM's with a mix of RDM's and no RDM's. Question: Is there any easy method in NBU, that can help me identify a VM Guest that has an RDM? I can use vCentre, but the sheer number of VM's we have makes it really hard to identify each guest. With RDM, I still have to backup the machine as a file level backup. In other words, as a Physical machine. But This is purely for data use, as alot of our RDM's have the Data presented to the VM. Also, I cannot snapshot Windows 2003 and 2008 guest cluster machines, due to a SCSI Bus conflict. So this would mean doing a file level backup for each node. Any tips would be apprecaited Thank you Simon ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification
Hello George Many thanks that this as it is very very helpful information. Tell me I'm not fully aware of all the keywords in regards to the intelligent policy for VM But is there some sort of website or examples of the fall use of the VIP method so I can try to cut down my VMware backups? For example I also have a lot of Windows 2003 cluster guest servers that I cannot backup as VMware is unable to snapshot them. Information like this is crucial and also important as I have over 1000 VM guest machines to back up. Also what is your view on trying to backup this around to machines in one policy? Thank you Simon On 24 Jan 2013, at 00:36, George Winter george_win...@symantec.com wrote: Hi Simon. The NetBackup VMware Intelligent Policy (VIP) feature can select or exclude VMs for backup based on the existence of RDMs in the VM. The keyword is called: VMhasRDM Using VIP you can automatically select only VMs that do not have RDM’s configured. -George Winter Symantec Corp From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Simon Weaver Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 7:29 AM To: Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.5 / Vmware API - RDM Identification Hello again 2 posts in a day :) Rare! I am now looking at VMware Integration with vSphere 4.x and NBU 7.5.0.4. So far tests have gone well, but I got a quick question regarding RDM's. Essentially, I have over 1000 VM's with a mix of RDM's and no RDM's. Question: Is there any easy method in NBU, that can help me identify a VM Guest that has an RDM? I can use vCentre, but the sheer number of VM's we have makes it really hard to identify each guest. With RDM, I still have to backup the machine as a file level backup. In other words, as a Physical machine. But This is purely for data use, as alot of our RDM's have the Data presented to the VM. Also, I cannot snapshot Windows 2003 and 2008 guest cluster machines, due to a SCSI Bus conflict. So this would mean doing a file level backup for each node. Any tips would be apprecaited Thank you Simon ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.0 VMware and Vault Problem
On Feb 22, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Shawn Plummer wrote: Hello all, I am new to the list but it was suggested to me as a place to ask about some odd behavior we are seeing on our recent Netbackup 7.0 upgraded system with VMWare backups and Vault. The basic issue is that we have a VMWare backups that backup ok, but when vault goes to duplicate them it seems to hang on the duplication of image job. They run for hours with no increase in progress until I finally manually cancel them. The only thing that seems odd about them is that they have kind of long Names with spaces (I am using the new VM Name option rather than host name option for selecting them in the policies) The names of the images in the Job Details window are similar to Oracle%20Collaboration%20Suite%2010.1.2_1266535125 Another curious thing I have seen is it showed Current Kilobytes written” as 2814727788026040 of an estimated Kilobytes of 14157877 on one of our jobs. If anyone has seen this or knows of any issues I would appreciate any pointers. I have been doing some more research on this problem and have discovered that none of our VM images with spaces in their names are duplicating. In our vault jobs I see a lot of this sort of thing: File List: banapp2_1266795268 Illiad01%20-%20InterLibrary%20Loan%20System_1266795366 EMS3%20-%20Event%20Management%20Server_1266800758 sjs%20-%20Spectrum%20Justice%20System_1266802623 02/26/2010 04:33:52 - begin reading 02/26/2010 04:34:14 - Error bptm (pid=29098) cannot write data to socket, Broken pipe 02/26/2010 04:34:14 - Error bpduplicate (pid=24824) host netbackup.geneseo.edu backup id Illiad01%20-%20InterLibrary%20Loan%20System_1266795366 read failed, media manager killed by signal (82). 02/26/2010 04:34:14 - Error bpduplicate (pid=24824) host netbackup.geneseo.edu backupid Illiad01%20-%20InterLibrary%20Loan%20System_1266795366 write process failed, client process aborted (50). 02/26/2010 04:34:14 - Error bptm (pid=29089) media manager terminated by parent process 02/26/2010 04:34:15 - Error bpduplicate (pid=24824) Duplicate of backupid Illiad01%20-%20InterLibrary%20Loan%20System_1266795366 failed, client process aborted (50). So a word of warning to anyone that goes to 7 and uses VMnames to select your VMWare backups, Vault apparently cannot duplicate those VMs that uses spaces in their names. I am in the process of changing the name of one of the VMs that previously failed to duplicate to something without spaces and will re run the duplication and see if that resolves it. I expect it to as our VM images without spaces seem to duplicate just fine. This also would not be a problem if you stick with using the hostname in your policies I presume. ~ Shawn Plummer Systems Manager CIT SUNY Geneseo The mind can make substance, and people planets of its own with beings brighter than have been, and give a breath to forms which can outlive all flesh. -Lord Byron ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
[Veritas-bu] NetBackup 7.0 VMware and Vault Problem
Hello all, I am new to the list but it was suggested to me as a place to ask about some odd behavior we are seeing on our recent Netbackup 7.0 upgraded system with VMWare backups and Vault. The basic issue is that we have a VMWare backups that backup ok, but when vault goes to duplicate them it seems to hang on the duplication of image job. They run for hours with no increase in progress until I finally manually cancel them. The only thing that seems odd about them is that they have kind of long Names with spaces (I am using the new VM Name option rather than host name option for selecting them in the policies) The names of the images in the Job Details window are similar to Oracle%20Collaboration%20Suite%2010.1.2_1266535125 Another curious thing I have seen is it showed Current Kilobytes written” as 2814727788026040 of an estimated Kilobytes of 14157877 on one of our jobs. If anyone has seen this or knows of any issues I would appreciate any pointers. On a side note, LOVE the increased speed of VMWare SAN backups! amazing! Thanks! ~ Shawn Plummer Systems Manager CIT SUNY Geneseo The mind can make substance, and people planets of its own with beings brighter than have been, and give a breath to forms which can outlive all flesh. -Lord Byron ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
Steve, Thank you for weighing in as a source for being "in the know". A question for Symantec, is this information documented in a PDF or Matrix of some type? Thanks again, Scott J. "Steve Dvorak" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/21/2006 7:11 PM Okay, so I thought I would weigh in on this issue, as someone in theknow. NBU Client and option licenses are required for each OS type on aphysical server. I.e. if you have Windows and Linux running on separateVMs you would need two sets of licenses. If you have 5 Windows VMsrunning on a server, you only need one set of licenses. When I say"set" I mean that you need a minimum of one client and additionally anyagents/options need for applications. -SteveSteve DvorakWestern Area Systems Engineering ManagerBackup Infrastructure, Storage Server ManagementSymantec Corporationwww.symantec.com-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] O! n Behalf Of BobbyWilliamsSent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:05 AMTo: Koster, Phil; veritas-buSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare LicencingSolaris10 can now use mutliple "zones" (a lot of virtual servrs).There is a special note that says that you only have to have one licensefor the physical box.http://seer.support.veritas.com/docs/275107.htmThere is no documentation like this relating to VMWare.Bobby.From: "Koster, Phil" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 2006/09/19 Tue PM 01:40:36 EDTTo: veritas-bu veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare LicencingAccording to the latest OS compatibility matrix, Bobby is still rightas it reads the same for NBU 6 and 5 as far as VMWare goes.http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Server/278064.pdf#search="NetBackup 6 Compatibility Matrix"I think ultimately it will come down to the answer each of usindividually get from Symantec though. ;-)Thanks.Phil KosterNetwork AdministratorCity of Grand RapidsDirect: 616-456-3136Helpdesk: 456-3999-Original Message-From: Jim Horalek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:34 PMTo: 'Bobby Williams'; 'Scott Jacobson';veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; 'Hampus Lind'Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare LicencingI believe Scott is correct. There were a few policy changes since theproduct 6.0 was delivered.Unfortunately they are not well documented. Vmware was a special case. Once license of each type to be backed up should all you need.However, the Symantec/Veritas License desk has the final say.(Tech<B! R>support can answer you question also)Jim-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BobbyWilliamsSent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:43 AMTo: Scott Jacobson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; Hampus LindSubject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare LicencingThat is not what I "infer" from the support matrix (5.X)http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/263839.pdfIt indicates that the VM host needs a license and each client needs alicense.If you have something that shows this better than the support matrix,please let us know. We are way over purchasing licenses if you arecorrect.Bobby.From: "Scott Jacobson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] l.comDate: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 11:22:12 EDTTo: "Bobby Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED], veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu, "Hampus Lind" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare LicencingBobby,Unfortunately what you've said about VMWare licensing is not correct. Don't feel bad, there are "Symantec" sales folks who also don'tunderstand it.Here is how the licencing works:With one VMWare ESX Server and:1. Five Windows Guests and the NetBackup client software installed oneach one you claim or account for the use of "one" Windows clientlicense.2. Five Linux Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on eachone you claim or account for the use of "one" Linux client license.3. Five NetWare Guests and the NetBackup client software installed oneach one you claim or account for the use of "one" NetWare clientlicense.If! you also use the Traditional Method option to backup the ESX Serveritself, you would claim or account for the use of one more Linux clientlicense.For the above, four licenses would be used in total.Regards,Scott Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2006 6:55 AM The biggest drawback to using NetBackup for VMWare is the license. Youhave to have a license for the VMWare box and all of the Virtual systemson it.You could use the VMWare backup utility to back up to a NFS mounteddrive and put the data on a system that is being backed up theNetBackup.Bobby.From: "Hampus Lind" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 08:16:48 EDTTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..Hi all,Any one run
[Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..
Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus Lind Rikspolisstyrelsen National Police Board Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43 Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..
The biggest drawback to using NetBackup for VMWare is the license. You have to have a license for the VMWare box and all of the Virtual systems on it. You could use the VMWare backup utility to back up to a NFS mounted drive and put the data on a system that is being backed up the NetBackup. Bobby. From: Hampus Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 08:16:48 EDT To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus Lind Rikspolisstyrelsen National Police Board Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43 Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..
Title: Message we back them up as if they were hardware clients. boot them up, install NBU client and back it up as if it was a normal server. we have "base images" with NBU pre installed, so if we lose a hostinstance we can just start a new instance, do a full restore, overwriting all files, reboot and it's back up. Paul -- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hampus LindSent: September 19, 2006 8:17 AMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus LindRikspolisstyrelsenNational Police BoardTel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..
http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi3_backup_guide.pdf#search=%22VMWare%20back%20up%20guide%22 http://www.vmware.com/pdf/vi3_vm_backup.pdf#search=%22VMWare%20backup%20guide%22 Phil Koster Network Administrator City of Grand Rapids Direct: 616-456-3136 Helpdesk: 456-3999 From: Hampus Lind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:17 AMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus LindRikspolisstyrelsenNational Police BoardTel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..
Title: Message Thanks all, Do run open file option for these clients? Can you get system_state_info as well? Hampus Lind Rikspolisstyrelsen National Police Board Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43 Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Paul Keating Skickat: den 19 september 2006 14:55 Till: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Ämne: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. we back them up as if they were hardware clients. boot them up, install NBU client and back it up as if it was a normal server. we have base images with NBU pre installed, so if we lose a hostinstance we can just start a new instance, do a full restore, overwriting all files, reboot and it's back up. Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hampus Lind Sent: September 19, 2006 8:17 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus Lind Rikspolisstyrelsen National Police Board Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43 Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
Bobby, Unfortunately what you've said about VMWare licensing is not correct. Don't feel bad, there are "Symantec" sales folks who also don't understand it. Here is how the licencing works: With one VMWare ESX Server and: 1. Five Windows Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each oneyou claim or account for the use of "one" Windows client license. 2. Five Linux Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each oneyou claim or account for the use of "one"Linux client license. 3. FiveNetWare Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each oneyou claim or account for the use of "one"NetWare client license. If you alsouse the Traditional Method option to backup theESX Server itself, you would claim or account for the use ofone moreLinux client license. For the above, four licenses would be used in total. Regards, Scott Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2006 6:55 AM The biggest drawback to using NetBackup for VMWare is the license. You have to have a license for the VMWare box and all of the Virtual systems on it.You could use the VMWare backup utility to back up to a NFS mounted drive and put the data on a system that is being backed up the NetBackup.Bobby.From: "Hampus Lind" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 08:16:48 EDTTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..Hi all,Any one running Vmware against netbackup?We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I canback this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with itsown backup solution that is preferred to use.Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups o! f vmware system.Thanks and regards,Hampus LindRikspolisstyrelsenNational Police BoardTel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Bobby Williams2205 Peterson DriveChattanooga, TN 37421 ___Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduhttp://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
That is not what I infer from the support matrix (5.X) http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Server/263839.pdf It indicates that the VM host needs a license and each client needs a license. If you have something that shows this better than the support matrix, please let us know. We are way over purchasing licenses if you are correct. Bobby. From: Scott Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 11:22:12 EDT To: Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu, Hampus Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing Bobby, Unfortunately what you've said about VMWare licensing is not correct. Don't feel bad, there are Symantec sales folks who also don't understand it. Here is how the licencing works: With one VMWare ESX Server and: 1. Five Windows Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one Windows client license. 2. Five Linux Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one Linux client license. 3. Five NetWare Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one NetWare client license. If you also use the Traditional Method option to backup the ESX Server itself, you would claim or account for the use of one more Linux client license. For the above, four licenses would be used in total. Regards, Scott Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2006 6:55 AM The biggest drawback to using NetBackup for VMWare is the license. You have to have a license for the VMWare box and all of the Virtual systems on it. You could use the VMWare backup utility to back up to a NFS mounted drive and put the data on a system that is being backed up the NetBackup. Bobby. From: Hampus Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 08:16:48 EDT To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus Lind Rikspolisstyrelsen National Police Board Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43 Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare..
Title: Message yes and yes. Paul -- -Original Message-From: Hampus Lind [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 19, 2006 10:47 AMTo: Paul Keating; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: SV: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Thanks all, Do run open file option for these clients? Can you get system_state_info as well? Hampus LindRikspolisstyrelsenNational Police BoardTel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprungligt meddelande-Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Paul KeatingSkickat: den 19 september 2006 14:55Till: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduÄmne: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. we back them up as if they were hardware clients. boot them up, install NBU client and back it up as if it was a normal server. we have "base images" with NBU pre installed, so if we lose a hostinstance we can just start a new instance, do a full restore, overwriting all files, reboot and it's back up. Paul -- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hampus LindSent: September 19, 2006 8:17 AMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus LindRikspolisstyrelsenNational Police BoardTel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou con fidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
We were as Scott. Each client *TYPE* needs a license As Scott said, if you have 5 NetWare, 5 Windows and 5 Linux, you need a license per OS type I didn't think it was limited to 5 though...I was under the impression for a given host, you need one license for the host, then 1 license PER client TYPE. Ie, a vmware ESX host running linux with 10 linux VMs running would be 2 linux licenses. A vmware ESX host running linux with 10 windows VMs would be 1 linux and 1 windows, etc, Paul -- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Williams Sent: September 19, 2006 11:43 AM To: Scott Jacobson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; Hampus Lind Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing That is not what I infer from the support matrix (5.X) http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_ Enterprise_Server/263839.pdf It indicates that the VM host needs a license and each client needs a license. If you have something that shows this better than the support matrix, please let us know. We are way over purchasing licenses if you are correct. Bobby. La version française suit le texte anglais. This email may contain privileged and/or confidential information, and the Bank of Canada does not waive any related rights. Any distribution, use, or copying of this email or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this email in error please delete it immediately from your system and notify the sender promptly by email that you have done so. Le présent courriel peut contenir de l'information privilégiée ou confidentielle. La Banque du Canada ne renonce pas aux droits qui s'y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu'il contient par une personne autre que le ou les destinataires désignés est interdite Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez le supprimer immédiatement et envoyer sans délai à l'expéditeur un message électronique pour l'aviser que vous avez éliminé de votre ordinateur toute copie du courriel reçu. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
FYI (here's what I got straight from the monkey's mouth... ;-)
Maybe this clears something up? Haven't been following this thread
really...
Cheers,
J _D_
{Paul, I shed the JR when the old man retired ;)
==
MULTIPLE DOMAIN OR VIRTUAL MACHINE SYSTEMS
NetBackup components (servers, clients, and database agents) for UNIX,
Windows, NetWare, and Linux are each licensed
once per physical machine. If a physical machine runs multiple Operating
Systems and Databases, then the physical machine
requires one NetBackup component for each Operating System and Database
type. Please note that this policy supersedes
previous licensing policies that were communicated before the date of
this document.
Exception: NetBackup Clients installed on IBM zSeries (OS/390) should be
licensed once per virtual machine. This is an
exception to the standard NetBackup policy of licensing clients once per
physical machine.
==
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul
Keating
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 11:57 AM
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
We were as Scott.
Each client *TYPE* needs a license
As Scott said, if you have 5 NetWare, 5 Windows and 5 Linux, you need a
license per OS type
I didn't think it was limited to 5 though...I was under the impression
for a given host, you need one license for the host, then 1 license PER
client TYPE.
Ie, a vmware ESX host running linux with 10 linux VMs running would be 2
linux licenses.
A vmware ESX host running linux with 10 windows VMs would be 1 linux and
1 windows, etc,
Paul
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby
Williams
Sent: September 19, 2006 11:43 AM
To: Scott Jacobson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; Hampus Lind
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
That is not what I infer from the support matrix (5.X)
http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_
Enterprise_Server/263839.pdf
It indicates that the VM host needs a license and each client needs a
license.
If you have something that shows this better than the support matrix,
please let us know. We are way over purchasing licenses if you are
correct.
Bobby.
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Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
Paul and Bobby That is correct, thanks for the clarification. My examples of "5", were just that, examples. Scott "Paul Keating" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2006 9:56 AM We were as Scott.Each client *TYPE* needs a licenseAs Scott said, if you have 5 NetWare, 5 Windows and 5 Linux, you need alicense per OS typeI didn't think it was limited to 5 though...I was under the impressionfor a given host, you need one license for the host, then 1 license PERclient TYPE.Ie, a vmware ESX host running linux with 10 linux VMs running would be 2linux licenses.A vmware ESX host running linux with 10 windows VMs would be 1 linux and1 windows, etc,Paul-- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Williams Sent: September 19, 2006 11:43 AM To: Scott Jacobson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; Hampus Lind<B! R> Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing That is not what I "infer" from the support matrix (5.X) http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_ Enterprise_Server/263839.pdf It indicates that the VM host needs a license and each client needs a license. If you have something that shows this better than the support matrix, please let us know. We are way over purchasing licenses if you are correct. Bobby. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
I believe Scott is correct. There were a few policy changes since the product 6.0 was delivered. Unfortunately they are not well documented. Vmware was a special case. Once license of each type to be backed up should all you need. However, the Symantec/Veritas License desk has the final say.(Tech support can answer you question also) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Williams Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: Scott Jacobson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; Hampus Lind Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing That is not what I infer from the support matrix (5.X) http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Ser ver/263839.pdf It indicates that the VM host needs a license and each client needs a license. If you have something that shows this better than the support matrix, please let us know. We are way over purchasing licenses if you are correct. Bobby. From: Scott Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 11:22:12 EDT To: Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu, Hampus Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing Bobby, Unfortunately what you've said about VMWare licensing is not correct. Don't feel bad, there are Symantec sales folks who also don't understand it. Here is how the licencing works: With one VMWare ESX Server and: 1. Five Windows Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one Windows client license. 2. Five Linux Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one Linux client license. 3. Five NetWare Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one NetWare client license. If you also use the Traditional Method option to backup the ESX Server itself, you would claim or account for the use of one more Linux client license. For the above, four licenses would be used in total. Regards, Scott Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2006 6:55 AM The biggest drawback to using NetBackup for VMWare is the license. You have to have a license for the VMWare box and all of the Virtual systems on it. You could use the VMWare backup utility to back up to a NFS mounted drive and put the data on a system that is being backed up the NetBackup. Bobby. From: Hampus Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 08:16:48 EDT To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus Lind Rikspolisstyrelsen National Police Board Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43 Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing
According to the latest OS compatibility matrix, Bobby is still right as it reads the same for NBU 6 and 5 as far as VMWare goes. http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Server/278064.pdf#search=%22NetBackup%206%20Compatibility%20Matrix%22 I think ultimately it will come down to the answer each of us individually get from Symantec though. ;-) Thanks. Phil Koster Network Administrator City of Grand Rapids Direct: 616-456-3136 Helpdesk: 456-3999 -Original Message- From: Jim Horalek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:34 PM To: 'Bobby Williams'; 'Scott Jacobson'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; 'Hampus Lind' Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing I believe Scott is correct. There were a few policy changes since the product 6.0 was delivered. Unfortunately they are not well documented. Vmware was a special case. Once license of each type to be backed up should all you need. However, the Symantec/Veritas License desk has the final say.(Tech support can answer you question also) Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bobby Williams Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: Scott Jacobson; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu; Hampus Lind Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing That is not what I infer from the support matrix (5.X) http://ftp.support.veritas.com/pub/support/products/NetBackup_Enterprise_Ser ver/263839.pdf It indicates that the VM host needs a license and each client needs a license. If you have something that shows this better than the support matrix, please let us know. We are way over purchasing licenses if you are correct. Bobby. From: Scott Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 11:22:12 EDT To: Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu, Hampus Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VMWare Licencing Bobby, Unfortunately what you've said about VMWare licensing is not correct. Don't feel bad, there are Symantec sales folks who also don't understand it. Here is how the licencing works: With one VMWare ESX Server and: 1. Five Windows Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one Windows client license. 2. Five Linux Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one Linux client license. 3. Five NetWare Guests and the NetBackup client software installed on each one you claim or account for the use of one NetWare client license. If you also use the Traditional Method option to backup the ESX Server itself, you would claim or account for the use of one more Linux client license. For the above, four licenses would be used in total. Regards, Scott Bobby Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9/19/2006 6:55 AM The biggest drawback to using NetBackup for VMWare is the license. You have to have a license for the VMWare box and all of the Virtual systems on it. You could use the VMWare backup utility to back up to a NFS mounted drive and put the data on a system that is being backed up the NetBackup. Bobby. From: Hampus Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/19 Tue AM 08:16:48 EDT To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Netbackup and VmWare.. Hi all, Any one running Vmware against netbackup? We have a new HP blade system which will run Vmware, and I wonder how I can back this up to netbackup? Our blade guys tell me that vmware comes with its own backup solution that is preferred to use. Please advice in what is the best way to handle backups of vmware system. Thanks and regards, Hampus Lind Rikspolisstyrelsen National Police Board Tel dir: +46 (0)8 - 401 99 43 Tel mob: +46 (0)70 - 217 92 66 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu Bobby Williams 2205 Peterson Drive Chattanooga, TN 37421 ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
