RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites
Title: Message We have 5 remote offices, each with 1 unix file server that's backed up, and 0 IT staff. We back them up with a nightly incremental, a weekly synthetic, and a full once a month. (about 24 hours for a full ~20 Gigs) They get backed up to a small DSSU sitting on a couple concatenated local drives, and staged to tape daily. Works great. I agree, something like the tacit system would be nice. Paul -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan (Contractor)Sent: February 15, 2006 5:32 PMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites Speaking from experience here, if the remote site is a small office with 1-5 servers and a small library, DO NOT USE NETBACKUP! BackupExec works just fine, and it MUCH easier to manage!! We are considering purchasing devices from Tacit (http://www.tacitnetworks.com/)which not only replicate data back to our main datacenter to be backed up, but they also (supposedly) replicate user data (files) email / exchange DBs and Active Directory functions. Worst case scenario, if the local box goes down everyone grabs the "master" files from the WAN. Admittedly I'm not in the group that is testing this device, but I've heard nothing but rave reviews so far. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cornely, DavidSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:16 PMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites You might want to consider something like Data Domain or a product like Riverbed. I like the idea of Riverbed (a WAN acceleration device), where you could bring your file servers back to the local site, backing them up there, and then your remote users would access the file server via the WAN, with Riverbed devices on each end. The idea is that this device makes the file server appear local to the remote users. Any way you cut it remote site backups are a pain and the fewer autonomous NBU environments you have the better off you will be. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j. okabayashiSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:44To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites All, I just wanted to get an idea of what everyone is doing to back up anyremote sites they may have. I am running NBU 5.1 MP4 on W2K3 servers.I have a few sites with a single DC that is acting as file server, and print server. As of right now, these single servers are not getting backed up. Can NBU be used for this or should we look into something else? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason
RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites
Did you put much time into tuning the TCP/IP parameters for the Bandwidth Delay Product over the link? I've been doing a lot of reading about TCP tuning and a lot of it seems to relate to WAN link tuning for performance. Basically keeping the pipe full by turning on window scaling and setting an appropriate TCP window size. People report very large improvements after playing around with the settings, but it does depend on having separate WAN interfaces for backups to e.g. the interface used for short packets like telnet or a web server. I don't have any WAN links to deal with, I'm just trying to get the most out of the GbE and 100Mbps LAN. Mind bending stuff, especially as each Windows version changes the way it works. I would be interested if anyone has worked out what works and what does not. William D L Brown Paul Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16-Feb-2006 13:05 To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites We have 5 remote offices, each with 1 unix file server that's backed up, and 0 IT staff. We back them up with a nightly incremental, a weekly synthetic, and a full once a month. (about 24 hours for a full ~20 Gigs) They get backed up to a small DSSU sitting on a couple concatenated local drives, and staged to tape daily. Works great. I agree, something like the tacit system would be nice. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) Sent: February 15, 2006 5:32 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites Speaking from experience here, if the remote site is a small office with 1-5 servers and a small library, DO NOT USE NETBACKUP! BackupExec works just fine, and it MUCH easier to manage!! We are considering purchasing devices from Tacit ( http://www.tacitnetworks.com/) which not only replicate data back to our main datacenter to be backed up, but they also (supposedly) replicate user data (files) email / exchange DBs and Active Directory functions. Worst case scenario, if the local box goes down everyone grabs the master files from the WAN. Admittedly I'm not in the group that is testing this device, but I've heard nothing but rave reviews so far. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cornely, David Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:16 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites You might want to consider something like Data Domain or a product like Riverbed. I like the idea of Riverbed (a WAN acceleration device), where you could bring your file servers back to the local site, backing them up there, and then your remote users would access the file server via the WAN, with Riverbed devices on each end. The idea is that this device makes the file server appear local to the remote users. Any way you cut it remote site backups are a pain and the fewer autonomous NBU environments you have the better off you will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j. okabayashi Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:44 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites All, I just wanted to get an idea of what everyone is doing to back up any remote sites they may have. I am running NBU 5.1 MP4 on W2K3 servers. I have a few sites with a single DC that is acting as file server, and print server. As of right now, these single servers are not getting backed up. Can NBU be used for this or should we look into something else? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites
Not at all...didn't even consider tuning for the WAN (10Mb/s w/encryption) The idea of an alt interface for those connections might be a good one. I'm also fighting with tuning GigE cards. Our VAR sent me a link to sunsolve doc 81911...looks like it might help in my case. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: February 16, 2006 9:14 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites Did you put much time into tuning the TCP/IP parameters for the Bandwidth Delay Product over the link? I've been doing a lot of reading about TCP tuning and a lot of it seems to relate to WAN link tuning for performance. Basically keeping the pipe full by turning on window scaling and setting an appropriate TCP window size. People report very large improvements after playing around with the settings, but it does depend on having separate WAN interfaces for backups to e.g. the interface used for short packets like telnet or a web server. I don't have any WAN links to deal with, I'm just trying to get the most out of the GbE and 100Mbps LAN. Mind bending stuff, especially as each Windows version changes the way it works. I would be interested if anyone has worked out what works and what does not. William D L Brown Paul Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16-Feb-2006 13:05 To veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu cc Subject RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites We have 5 remote offices, each with 1 unix file server that's backed up, and 0 IT staff. We back them up with a nightly incremental, a weekly synthetic, and a full once a month. (about 24 hours for a full ~20 Gigs) They get backed up to a small DSSU sitting on a couple concatenated local drives, and staged to tape daily. Works great. I agree, something like the tacit system would be nice. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin, Jonathan (Contractor) Sent: February 15, 2006 5:32 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites Speaking from experience here, if the remote site is a small office with 1-5 servers and a small library, DO NOT USE NETBACKUP! BackupExec works just fine, and it MUCH easier to manage!! We are considering purchasing devices from Tacit ( http://www.tacitnetworks.com/) which not only replicate data back to our main datacenter to be backed up, but they also (supposedly) replicate user data (files) email / exchange DBs and Active Directory functions. Worst case scenario, if the local box goes down everyone grabs the master files from the WAN. Admittedly I'm not in the group that is testing this device, but I've heard nothing but rave reviews so far. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cornely, David Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:16 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites You might want to consider something like Data Domain or a product like Riverbed. I like the idea of Riverbed (a WAN acceleration device), where you could bring your file servers back to the local site, backing them up there, and then your remote users would access the file server via the WAN, with Riverbed devices on each end. The idea is that this device makes the file server appear local to the remote users. Any way you cut it remote site backups are a pain and the fewer autonomous NBU environments you have the better off you will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j. okabayashi Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:44 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites All, I just wanted to get an idea of what everyone is doing to back up any remote sites they may have. I am running NBU 5.1 MP4 on W2K3 servers. I have a few sites with a single DC that is acting as file server, and print server. As of right now, these single servers are not getting backed up. Can NBU be used for this or should we look into something else? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites
You can backup across your WAN but it will be very slow and will impact other traffic. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j. okabayashi Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:44 PM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites All, I just wanted to get an idea of what everyone is doing to back up anyremote sites they may have. I am running NBU 5.1 MP4 on W2K3 servers.I have a few sites with a single DC that is acting as file server, and print server. As of right now, these single servers are not getting backed up. Can NBU be used for this or should we look into something else? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason
RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites
We just put in a W2K3 media server and a Dell T200 Autoloader with one tape drive in a remote site to backup 1 file server and an Exchange servers. We have a PC tech there to rotate tapes and send them offsite. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j. okabayashi Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:44 AM To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites All, I just wanted to get an idea of what everyone is doing to back up anyremote sites they may have. I am running NBU 5.1 MP4 on W2K3 servers.I have a few sites with a single DC that is acting as file server, and print server. As of right now, these single servers are not getting backed up. Can NBU be used for this or should we look into something else? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason
RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites
You might want to consider something like Data Domain or a product like Riverbed. I like the idea of Riverbed (a WAN acceleration device), where you could bring your file servers back to the local site, backing them up there, and then your remote users would access the file server via the WAN, with Riverbed devices on each end. The idea is that this device makes the file server appear local to the remote users. Any way you cut it remote site backups are a pain and the fewer autonomous NBU environments you have the better off you will be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j. okabayashi Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:44 To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites All, I just wanted to get an idea of what everyone is doing to back up anyremote sites they may have. I am running NBU 5.1 MP4 on W2K3 servers.I have a few sites with a single DC that is acting as file server, and print server. As of right now, these single servers are not getting backed up. Can NBU be used for this or should we look into something else? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason
RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites
Speaking from experience here, if the remote site is a small office with 1-5 servers and a small library, DO NOT USE NETBACKUP! BackupExec works just fine, and it MUCH easier to manage!! We are considering purchasing devices from Tacit (http://www.tacitnetworks.com/)which not only replicate data back to our main datacenter to be backed up, but they also (supposedly) replicate user data (files) email / exchange DBs and Active Directory functions. Worst case scenario, if the local box goes down everyone grabs the "master" files from the WAN. Admittedly I'm not in the group that is testing this device, but I've heard nothing but rave reviews so far. -Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cornely, DavidSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 4:16 PMTo: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites You might want to consider something like Data Domain or a product like Riverbed. I like the idea of Riverbed (a WAN acceleration device), where you could bring your file servers back to the local site, backing them up there, and then your remote users would access the file server via the WAN, with Riverbed devices on each end. The idea is that this device makes the file server appear local to the remote users. Any way you cut it remote site backups are a pain and the fewer autonomous NBU environments you have the better off you will be. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of j. okabayashiSent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:44To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.eduSubject: [Veritas-bu] Backing up Remote Sites All, I just wanted to get an idea of what everyone is doing to back up anyremote sites they may have. I am running NBU 5.1 MP4 on W2K3 servers.I have a few sites with a single DC that is acting as file server, and print server. As of right now, these single servers are not getting backed up. Can NBU be used for this or should we look into something else? Any insight would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason
