Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
Simon, A couple of years ago we retired DLT IV and LTO1 drives, going to a library with LTO4 drives only. I used bpimmedia to work out which images were on the old media then bpduplicate to duplicate all long term retention images that were on the old DLT IV and LTO1 media to LTO3 or LTO4 tapes. Mark From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 3:50 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Morning Guys Not exactly a problem, but a question. I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was puzzled about is how would they go about restoring this Data?, considering most of the Technology has just been removed / phased out. It got me thinking that we have 5 - 10+ year retention of Tapes for NetBackup on LTO1 tapes but no means of loading it, you do not have high hopes of restoring it. Unless you obtain an LTO1 drive. But say 30 years down the line. then what! Chances are, NetBackup may not read it, or worse No NetBackup environment at all ! (Similar to the client who was using their own standard 1990's backup software that is no longer produced and in a format that cannot be read!) So really, curious how people would protect those essential years of Data? Regards Simon This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
Hi Mark Thanks for this. Yes, this is one method, but what about a backup solution - ie: now 20 years out of date, no media, no server to restore to and in a format unknown to todays backup systems. What would you do then? :-) the client does not seem bothered, and is happy to destroy the Data. But if you are a banking client or someone that needs access to 20+ yr Data, then surely your planning has to account for this? Or maybe another solution? Simon From: Mark Phillips [mailto:mark.phill...@unisa.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:37 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: Retaining Date for 20 years+ Simon, A couple of years ago we retired DLT IV and LTO1 drives, going to a library with LTO4 drives only. I used bpimmedia to work out which images were on the old media then bpduplicate to duplicate all long term retention images that were on the old DLT IV and LTO1 media to LTO3 or LTO4 tapes. Mark From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 3:50 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Morning Guys Not exactly a problem, but a question. I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was puzzled about is how would they go about restoring this Data?, considering most of the Technology has just been removed / phased out. It got me thinking that we have 5 - 10+ year retention of Tapes for NetBackup on LTO1 tapes but no means of loading it, you do not have high hopes of restoring it. Unless you obtain an LTO1 drive. But say 30 years down the line. then what! Chances are, NetBackup may not read it, or worse No NetBackup environment at all ! (Similar to the client who was using their own standard 1990's backup software that is no longer produced and in a format that cannot be read!) So really, curious how people would protect those essential years of Data? Regards Simon This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
Well, netbackup is using tar to write and read to the tape. If you not use multiplexing, and you know what is on what tape, then you can restore backups without netbackup. I have come in front of many companies that have 15 years backups and they try to find a travan tape drive (or other) and the software to read the tapes. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:39 AM To: Mark Phillips; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Hi Mark Thanks for this. Yes, this is one method, but what about a backup solution - ie: now 20 years out of date, no media, no server to restore to and in a format unknown to todays backup systems. What would you do then? :-) the client does not seem bothered, and is happy to destroy the Data. But if you are a banking client or someone that needs access to 20+ yr Data, then surely your planning has to account for this? Or maybe another solution? Simon _ From: Mark Phillips [mailto:mark.phill...@unisa.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:37 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: Retaining Date for 20 years+ Simon, A couple of years ago we retired DLT IV and LTO1 drives, going to a library with LTO4 drives only. I used bpimmedia to work out which images were on the old media then bpduplicate to duplicate all long term retention images that were on the old DLT IV and LTO1 media to LTO3 or LTO4 tapes. Mark From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 3:50 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Morning Guys Not exactly a problem, but a question. I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was puzzled about is how would they go about restoring this Data?, considering most of the Technology has just been removed / phased out. It got me thinking that we have 5 - 10+ year retention of Tapes for NetBackup on LTO1 tapes but no means of loading it, you do not have high hopes of restoring it. Unless you obtain an LTO1 drive. But say 30 years down the line. then what! Chances are, NetBackup may not read it, or worse No NetBackup environment at all ! (Similar to the client who was using their own standard 1990's backup software that is no longer produced and in a format that cannot be read!) So really, curious how people would protect those essential years of Data? Regards Simon This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:20 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net wrote: I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was puzzled about is how would they go about restoring this Data?, considering most of the Technology has just been removed / phased out. It got me thinking that we have 5 - 10+ year retention of Tapes for NetBackup on LTO1 tapes but no means of loading it, you do not have high hopes of restoring it. Unless you obtain an LTO1 drive. But say 30 years down the line. then what! Chances are, NetBackup may not read it, or worse No NetBackup environment at all ! (Similar to the client who was using their own standard 1990's backup software that is no longer produced and in a format that cannot be read!) So really, curious how people would protect those essential years of Data? There are a lot of 3rd party companies that will gladly take your money to restore this data. I suspect they're not cheap for the obvious reason that they have to maintain this old crap, but that's the price you pay for restoring stuff you probably shouldn't have been backing up in the first place. Even if you get the data physically off of tape, can you actually do anything with it? Do you even know the name, for example, of the server that held your financial data 15 years ago? Even if you had that data, do have the hardware and software that can actually do anything with that data? Are the applications so old that they won't even run on modern hardware? Are the data formats so old that today's applications won't open them either? Backups are not archives, and you're seeing one of the many reasons why that's true. .../Ed ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
On May 19, 2010, at 02:39, WEAVER, Simon (external) wrote: Thanks for this. Yes, this is one method, but what about a backup solution - ie: now 20 years out of date, no media, no server to restore to and in a format unknown to todays backup systems. What would you do then? :-) the client does not seem bothered, and is happy to destroy the Data. But if you are a banking client or someone that needs access to 20+ yr Data, then surely your planning has to account for this? Or maybe another solution? Whatever component is missing (media, drive, computer, etc.) will have to be found on eBay. Once you have the missing component(s), you have to restore the data. Once that is done you transfer it to a machine that has a more up-to- date backup client and bring it into your regular backup system. Of course archiving is different than backup (or so it's repeatedly said). I've never had to deal with it, so couldn't really talk about the differences much. ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
We've gone through exercises of saving infinite retention backups of systems that we know we can't recreate easily (for example there was one that had a dongle from the vendor required to run the app - we had to return the dongle to avoid continuing to pay license fees). The idea is if you have the data you have a base from which to start. It's a lot easier to tell someone wanting ancient data that the technology no longer exists or is cost prohibitive to recover than to tell them you didn't bother to back it up in the first place. Also as was mentioned earlier in thread we too have gone through the exercise of duplicating old media to newer media. Interestingly management recently realized how much it was costing to keep things at Iron Mountain that they no longer knew why they had it except it was legacy from our big merger years ago. They pretty much had all of it returned so it could be destroyed (or in rare circumstance kept). I would think a client that actually needed 20 years worth of information (e.g. a bank retaining mortgages) would likely keep that as current information or in a data warehouse. One of the things that came out of the recent housing mess is that there has NOT been much thought about keeping information long term (even past 7 years) for this and also information gets lost in the shuffle when the original lender sells the loan to someone else to service. Many people have stopped or delayed foreclosure by using the legal requirement that the financial institution starting the foreclosure process actually produce the original records showing they are in fact the owner of the note. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Wilts Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:31 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external) Cc: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:20 AM, WEAVER, Simon (external) simon.wea...@astrium.eads.net wrote: I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was puzzled about is how would they go about restoring this Data?, considering most of the Technology has just been removed / phased out. It got me thinking that we have 5 - 10+ year retention of Tapes for NetBackup on LTO1 tapes but no means of loading it, you do not have high hopes of restoring it. Unless you obtain an LTO1 drive. But say 30 years down the line. then what! Chances are, NetBackup may not read it, or worse No NetBackup environment at all ! (Similar to the client who was using their own standard 1990's backup software that is no longer produced and in a format that cannot be read!) So really, curious how people would protect those essential years of Data? There are a lot of 3rd party companies that will gladly take your money to restore this data. I suspect they're not cheap for the obvious reason that they have to maintain this old crap, but that's the price you pay for restoring stuff you probably shouldn't have been backing up in the first place. Even if you get the data physically off of tape, can you actually do anything with it? Do you even know the name, for example, of the server that held your financial data 15 years ago? Even if you had that data, do have the hardware and software that can actually do anything with that data? Are the applications so old that they won't even run on modern hardware? Are the data formats so old that today's applications won't open them either? Backups are not archives, and you're seeing one of the many reasons why that's true. .../Ed Proud partner. Susan G. Komen for the Cure. Please consider our environment before printing this e-mail or attachments. -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you. -- ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
Here when we change tape formats, we duplicate the long term retention data to the new format. It's pretty easy with NetBackup, but I suppose worst case scenario you would have to restore it, then back it up again. Probably a better question than can I restore the data? is, once restored, do I still have the application that reads that data? I've already run into this a few times with older Exchange and Oracle backups. It's a mess. -Jonathan ___ Veritas-bu maillist - Veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu http://mailman.eng.auburn.edu/mailman/listinfo/veritas-bu
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
If you have a drive, you can use tar to read the tapes (little more work if they are multiplexed.) I am in the process of duplicating about 100 SDLT tapes to LTO4's. - I have kept an SDLT tape drive attached to the master because I have long term tapes. Once I get the dups done I can get rid of that drive. Of course you always have to option to find a recovery company that does just that, gets data off of old media. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of stefanos Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:49 AM To: 'WEAVER, Simon (external)'; 'Mark Phillips'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Well, netbackup is using tar to write and read to the tape. If you not use multiplexing, and you know what is on what tape, then you can restore backups without netbackup. I have come in front of many companies that have 15 years backups and they try to find a travan tape drive (or other) and the software to read the tapes. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:39 AM To: Mark Phillips; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Hi Mark Thanks for this. Yes, this is one method, but what about a backup solution - ie: now 20 years out of date, no media, no server to restore to and in a format unknown to todays backup systems. What would you do then? :-) the client does not seem bothered, and is happy to destroy the Data. But if you are a banking client or someone that needs access to 20+ yr Data, then surely your planning has to account for this? Or maybe another solution? Simon From: Mark Phillips [mailto:mark.phill...@unisa.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:37 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: Retaining Date for 20 years+ Simon, A couple of years ago we retired DLT IV and LTO1 drives, going to a library with LTO4 drives only. I used bpimmedia to work out which images were on the old media then bpduplicate to duplicate all long term retention images that were on the old DLT IV and LTO1 media to LTO3 or LTO4 tapes. Mark From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 3:50 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Morning Guys Not exactly a problem, but a question. I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was puzzled about is how would they go about restoring this Data?, considering most of the Technology has just been removed / phased out. It got me thinking that we have 5 - 10+ year retention of Tapes for NetBackup on LTO1 tapes but no means of loading it, you do not have high hopes of restoring it. Unless you obtain an LTO1 drive. But say 30 years down the line. then what! Chances are, NetBackup may not read it, or worse No NetBackup environment at all ! (Similar to the client who was using their own standard 1990's backup software that is no longer produced and in a format that cannot be read!) So really, curious how people would protect those essential years of Data? Regards Simon This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England
Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+
True, this could happen, but then it comes back to what do they do with the Data or how could they read it, if they have just chucked and disposed of their old equipment, that was running the apps in the first place?! Begs the question ... Why did they bother ! :( And probably explains why they are disposing of it now!! So I guess I should leave them to it. From: judy_hinchcli...@administaff.com [mailto:judy_hinchcli...@administaff.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:49 PM To: sm...@peppas.gr; WEAVER, Simon (external); mark.phill...@unisa.edu.au; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ If you have a drive, you can use tar to read the tapes (little more work if they are multiplexed.) I am in the process of duplicating about 100 SDLT tapes to LTO4's. - I have kept an SDLT tape drive attached to the master because I have long term tapes. Once I get the dups done I can get rid of that drive. Of course you always have to option to find a recovery company that does just that, gets data off of old media. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of stefanos Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:49 AM To: 'WEAVER, Simon (external)'; 'Mark Phillips'; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Well, netbackup is using tar to write and read to the tape. If you not use multiplexing, and you know what is on what tape, then you can restore backups without netbackup. I have come in front of many companies that have 15 years backups and they try to find a travan tape drive (or other) and the software to read the tapes. From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 9:39 AM To: Mark Phillips; VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Hi Mark Thanks for this. Yes, this is one method, but what about a backup solution - ie: now 20 years out of date, no media, no server to restore to and in a format unknown to todays backup systems. What would you do then? :-) the client does not seem bothered, and is happy to destroy the Data. But if you are a banking client or someone that needs access to 20+ yr Data, then surely your planning has to account for this? Or maybe another solution? Simon From: Mark Phillips [mailto:mark.phill...@unisa.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 7:37 AM To: WEAVER, Simon (external); VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: RE: Retaining Date for 20 years+ Simon, A couple of years ago we retired DLT IV and LTO1 drives, going to a library with LTO4 drives only. I used bpimmedia to work out which images were on the old media then bpduplicate to duplicate all long term retention images that were on the old DLT IV and LTO1 media to LTO3 or LTO4 tapes. Mark From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu [mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER, Simon (external) Sent: Wednesday, 19 May 2010 3:50 PM To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu Subject: [Veritas-bu] Retaining Date for 20 years+ Morning Guys Not exactly a problem, but a question. I started to do work for a small firm that has been removing legacy old kit and media as its 15+ years out of date (example: PC's acting as Servers, DDS tape drives, 3M Data Cartridges, (mini ones too!! amnd legacy Unix systems. Now, what I was puzzled about is how would they go about restoring this Data?, considering most of the Technology has just been removed / phased out. It got me thinking that we have 5 - 10+ year retention of Tapes for NetBackup on LTO1 tapes but no means of loading it, you do not have high hopes of restoring it. Unless you obtain an LTO1 drive. But say 30 years down the line. then what! Chances are, NetBackup may not read it, or worse No NetBackup environment at all ! (Similar to the client who was using their own standard 1990's backup software that is no longer produced and in a format that cannot be read!) So really, curious how people would protect those essential years of Data? Regards Simon This email (including any attachments) may contain confidential and/or privileged information or information otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, do not copy this message or any attachments and do not use it for any purpose or disclose its content to any person, but delete this message and any attachments from your system. Astrium disclaims any and all liability if this email transmission was virus corrupted, altered or falsified. -o- Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS
