Git support
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GIT Support
Hey folks, much time went by til the last update. Maybe you could intergrate git support for the next (will there be a next verison...?) of versions. greetings sdepold --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Git support
Hi Ketchapay, (and everyone else who asked about git support at some point) I understand the desire for a nice graphical git client, but Versions isn't it. Git is an entirely different beast than Subversion. For starters it's decentralized, but I probably don't have to tell you that. Adding git support to Versions would be like adding html and css editing to iWork's Pages, it would feel like a kludge; the application's interaction model doesn't fit with the model of that particular task at all. Versions' aim is to keep as much of the complexity of SVN out of your way as possible, but the way it works is nonetheless modeled with that complexity in mind. One thing I personally like about Versions, why I haven't switched back to the command-line for my everyday work, is that it doesn't try to replace the way Subversion works with some other vision of how version control should work. Our goal is to make working with Subversion at a whole easier, more pleasant, and more straightforward. Part of that is educating people a bit about Subversion —evidenced most concretely in the Versions help files, but more importantly in how we stick as closely as possible to Subversion's terminology for commands and all that, as well as bigger design decisions like how Versions shows working copy bookmarks nested in repository bookmarks—, ideally, a seasoned Versions user should be much more comfortable with the SVN command line client than someone who never used Versions. That in itself is enough of a challenge without making Versions deal transparently with the immense differences between SVN and git. For these reasons and because we believe that really good apps do one thing and do it extremely well, we won't be adding git support to Versions any time soon. If we ever embark on creating a git client it would most likely be an entirely different app. I sincerely doubt we would be able to re-use any significant amount of code and designs created for Versions in such an application. Since we have our hands full with our current project and an obligation to our customers to keep improving it, as much and as fast as we can, I hope that while we keep making the best Mac Subversion client even better, someone else will step up and create a really good Mac git client. Cheers, - Dirk the Versions team On Nov 20, 10:31 am, Ketchapay Ramirez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When will you add Git support? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Git support
Dirk, agreed. In future, having a separate Git application released by you guys may be great, but I wouldn't want to see you attempt to integrate a completely different type of version control into an app like Versions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Git support
Plus, it's worth noting GIT's license (GPL) makes it pretty complicated to build a commercial closed-source app on top of it. - Koen On Nov 21, 4:19 am, Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dirk, agreed. In future, having a separate Git application released > by you guys may be great, but I wouldn't want to see you attempt to > integrate a completely different type of version control into an app > like Versions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Git support
That's really a shame to hear that git isn't being considered for Versions. I think it's stretching it a bit to say that there are "significant differences" between Subversion and git. The operations are the same. Versions even has a command to create a "local" repository, which has always confused me because SVN repos are meant to centralized, accessible remotely. Does Versions actually launch a server for this to work? I just think that the Versions team had one goal in mind and wanted to achieve that goal really well. I salute them for that, and Versions has turned out to be a fantastic front-end for SVN. But I do want git support someday, and as a software developer, I know proper planning and abstraction can make it entirely possible. I won't hold my breath waiting for that day, though. :-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Git support
Hey Coolfactor, We hear you and never say never. But you conveniently leave out the license argument, which in my opinion is the biggest hurdle... They will probably have great reasons to go GPL, but it's really not that interesting to develop a commercial app around :-( Kindest regards, Koen Bok - madebysofa.com On Dec 6, 1:19 am, coolfactor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's really a shame to hear that git isn't being considered for > Versions. I think it's stretching it a bit to say that there are > "significant differences" between Subversion and git. The operations > are the same. Versions even has a command to create a "local" > repository, which has always confused me because SVN repos are meant > to centralized, accessible remotely. Does Versions actually launch a > server for this to work? > > I just think that the Versions team had one goal in mind and wanted to > achieve that goal really well. I salute them for that, and Versions > has turned out to be a fantastic front-end for SVN. But I do want git > support someday, and as a software developer, I know proper planning > and abstraction can make it entirely possible. I won't hold my breath > waiting for that day, though. :-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Git support
I've been giving git a run for its money. I can't give up Subversion any day soon. The lack of friendly GUIs for git and the inconvenience of relearning another versioning system is too much for those that I work with. However, I've happily begun using both day-to-day. git is actually very, very cool. As for the licensing, that stuff is really over my head, so I can't comment on it. :-) I just want to say thanks again to the Versions team. I wouldn't be able to manage as many repositories as I do without Versions. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Git support
As a daily user of both Subverison/Versions and Git/GitX, that has not been my experience at all. I find that my interactions with GitX are very much the same as with Versions. The main difference is that Versions is much more polished. That said, I would much rather see you release a Git client as a separate app, rather than integrating Git into Versions. --mkb On Nov 20, 4:03 pm, Dirk Stoop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Adding git support to Versions would be like adding html and css > editing to iWork's Pages, it would feel like a kludge; the > application's interaction model doesn't fit with the model of that > particular task at all. Versions' aim is to keep as much of the > complexity of SVN out of your way as possible, but the way it works is > nonetheless modeled with that complexity in mind. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GIT Support
Hi sdepold, There will definitely be a next version of Versions — what's in a name ;) However, such a next version of Versions will not support GIT. Please see the following thread for a recent discussion about this topic: http://groups.google.com/group/versions/browse_thread/thread/1f66be9b454a1625/ Summarized: We think that GIT is so different from SVN that supporting both in the same app would result in a hard to understand and difficult to use application. All the best, - Dirk the Versions team On Sep 2, 12:17 pm, sdepold wrote: > Hey folks, > > much time went by til the last update. > Maybe you could intergrate git support for the next (will there be a > next verison...?) of versions. > > greetings > sdepold --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Feature request: Git support
Would it be possible for Versions to support both Git and Svn repositories? It would be nice to be able to collect all repos in the same app regardless of protocol. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Feature request: Git support
Not gonna happen — there are already threads on this. The paradigms of centralized and decentralized version controls systems are radically different, and there's not a good way to represent both in the same app. Look at GitX (http://gitx.frim.nl) for a nice OS X client for git. From an economical standpoint, it would not be smart to support git in Versions, either — users always want more for free, but it costs to develop features, and the cost would either have to be passed on to buyers (increased price, and/or paid upgrade for existing users, both of which are bad options) or eaten by the developers, essentially as a gamble that the added features will draw enough new purchases to offset the cost. Neither is a good idea. Further, those of us who only use SVN would rather that SVN bugs and enhancements get patched, rather than having the developers devote countless hours to adding git support. - Quinn On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:19 AM, frebro wrote: Would it be possible for Versions to support both Git and Svn repositories? It would be nice to be able to collect all repos in the same app regardless of protocol. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Feature request: Git support
Good point Quinn. I'll pose the question, how much would a person be willing to pay for having a Git App that is of the same quality of Versions? I'll pay another 39 pounds for a Git client app. Who wouldn't? I think Git support would be feature for a paid upgrade to Versions (if they wish to support both svn and git) IMHO. GitX is nice for commits and reviews...that's it. Same with GitNub (if not less). The other clients are just notwell, they are not Versions let me put it that way. Pico, Sofaname your price for either a paid upgrade for Git support in Versions or an app dedicated for Git...I know I'll fork over the dough. On Jul 25, 4:09 pm, Quinn Taylor wrote: > Not gonna happen — there are already threads on this. The paradigms of > centralized and decentralized version controls systems are radically > different, and there's not a good way to represent both in the same app. > > Look at GitX (http://gitx.frim.nl) for a nice OS X client for git. > > From an economical standpoint, it would not be smart to support git > in Versions, either — users always want more for free, but it costs to > develop features, and the cost would either have to be passed on to > buyers (increased price, and/or paid upgrade for existing users, both > of which are bad options) or eaten by the developers, essentially as a > gamble that the added features will draw enough new purchases to > offset the cost. Neither is a good idea. > > Further, those of us who only use SVN would rather that SVN bugs and > enhancements get patched, rather than having the developers devote > countless hours to adding git support. > > - Quinn > > On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:19 AM, frebro wrote: > > > > > > > Would it be possible for Versions to support both Git and Svn > > repositories? It would be nice to be able to collect all repos in the > > same app regardless of protocol. > > > > smime.p7s > 3KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Feature request: Git support
Hey Quinn and Georga, I would argue the economical thing is not too important once git gains some critical mass. It's still small compared to svn, and in a way the compete with Mercurial which is pretty populair too. A bigger problem would be the licensing as we can't include the Git source without open sourcing our own app due to the GPL license. There are ways around this (wrapping command line) but this generally results in a lesser quality app. - Koen On Jul 26, 5:38 am, curiousgeorge wrote: > Good point Quinn. > > I'll pose the question, how much would a person be willing to pay for > having a Git App that is of the same quality of Versions? > I'll pay another 39 pounds for a Git client app. Who wouldn't? > > I think Git support would be feature for a paid upgrade to Versions > (if they wish to support both svn and git) IMHO. > > GitX is nice for commits and reviews...that's it. Same with GitNub > (if not less). The other clients are just notwell, they are > not Versions let me put it that way. > > Pico, Sofaname your price for either a paid upgrade for Git > support in Versions or an app dedicated for Git...I know I'll fork > over the dough. > > On Jul 25, 4:09 pm, Quinn Taylor wrote: > > > > > Not gonna happen — there are already threads on this. The paradigms of > > centralized and decentralized version controls systems are radically > > different, and there's not a good way to represent both in the same app. > > > Look at GitX (http://gitx.frim.nl) for a nice OS X client for git. > > > From an economical standpoint, it would not be smart to support git > > in Versions, either — users always want more for free, but it costs to > > develop features, and the cost would either have to be passed on to > > buyers (increased price, and/or paid upgrade for existing users, both > > of which are bad options) or eaten by the developers, essentially as a > > gamble that the added features will draw enough new purchases to > > offset the cost. Neither is a good idea. > > > Further, those of us who only use SVN would rather that SVN bugs and > > enhancements get patched, rather than having the developers devote > > countless hours to adding git support. > > > - Quinn > > > On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:19 AM, frebro wrote: > > > > Would it be possible for Versions to support both Git and Svn > > > repositories? It would be nice to be able to collect all repos in the > > > same app regardless of protocol. > > > smime.p7s > > 3KViewDownload --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Feature request: Git support
Koen — Great point, I had neglected to mention that the 3 main distributed VCS tools (git, Mercurial, and Bazaar) are all under GPL, which makes it difficult or impossible to create a commercial tool that uses them. The same restriction prevents Apple (at least currently) from providing a git plugin for Xcode, for example. Open- sourcing Xcode just isn't an option. George — I had alluded to this, but a paid upgrade to add support for tool X to Versions is a very bad idea — those of us who don't care about other tools would not want to upgrade, and Sofa/Pico would have to worry about maintaining new SVN features, bug fixes, etc. in parallel across multiple "editions" of the app. Since I'm not a git user, I'll admit I'm not very knowledgeable about the state of git tools for Mac, but I had heard that (in general) there has not yet been a GUI "killer app" for git — all of them have limitations and failings. IMHO, the use of GPL itself results in a web of interrelated problems: (1) no killer GUI means only command-line nerds can/will use it currently, (2) companies can't produce a paid app around it, and consequently (3) any work on a GUI app is done by the (admittedly small) subset of people who currently use git, would like to see a GUI app for working with git (already a limited subset, since they already use git just fine without a GUI), and have time to burn on creating an app that must be open-source. Unfortunately, this subset hasn't yet produced a killer app, and (IMO) is unlikely to unless a company devotes significant resources to developing such an app, with the express purpose of giving it away for free. It's clearly not impossible (CollabNet is a huge force behind Subversion, after all, but that's also a core technology, not a GUI app) but much less likely than it would be under more permissive licensing conditions. Just look how long it took for Versions to be written, despite the opportunity and obvious need. :-) - Quinn On Jul 26, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Koen Bok wrote: Hey Quinn and George, I would argue the economical thing is not too important once git gains some critical mass. It's still small compared to svn, and in a way the compete with Mercurial which is pretty populair too. A bigger problem would be the licensing as we can't include the Git source without open sourcing our own app due to the GPL license. There are ways around this (wrapping command line) but this generally results in a lesser quality app. - Koen On Jul 26, 5:38 am, curiousgeorge wrote: Good point Quinn. I'll pose the question, how much would a person be willing to pay for having a Git App that is of the same quality of Versions? I'll pay another 39 pounds for a Git client app. Who wouldn't? I think Git support would be feature for a paid upgrade to Versions (if they wish to support both svn and git) IMHO. GitX is nice for commits and reviews...that's it. Same with GitNub (if not less). The other clients are just notwell, they are not Versions let me put it that way. Pico, Sofaname your price for either a paid upgrade for Git support in Versions or an app dedicated for Git...I know I'll fork over the dough. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Feature request: Git support
I understand where the other posters are coming from, but thought I'd chime in as well. I'd have no problem paying full price for a versions git as well. I read the other posts and I realize this might not be worth it for the software developers, but if they are ever on the edge... I don't understand all the differences between git and svn, except that my developer is a huge fan of git, and he's the smartest person I know. Git does seem tidier in a lot of ways. Gitx is pretty bad if you're used to versions, and while I can use terminal to manage git, it's just not as fast as using versions. My 2¢ anyway. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Feature request: Git support
Why not make for a new version of Versions based on plugins. Then if people want Git support, they can put Git support in (or any other system). That would make me buy it :D On Jul 31, 5:44 pm, unleashed wrote: > I understand where the other posters are coming from, but thought I'd > chime in as well. I'd have no problem paying full price for a versionsgitas > well. I read the other posts and I realize this might not be > worth it for the software developers, but if they are ever on the > edge... > > I don't understand all the differences betweengitand svn, except > that my developer is a huge fan ofgit, and he's the smartest person I > know.Gitdoes seem tidier in a lot of ways. Gitx is pretty bad if > you're used to versions, and while I can use terminal to managegit, > it's just not as fast as using versions. My 2¢ anyway. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Feature request: Git support
A good idea in theory, but SCM systems behave differently enough (distributed SCMs such as git, doubly so) that it would be quite a feat to create and use a plugin system that supports all (or even many) different SCM's with an acceptable degree of functionality and polish. I really think that a dedicated app would be the best, but I'm not delusional enough to think I'm always right, and would love to be proven wrong. :-) - Quinn On Aug 22, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Joe Simpson wrote: Why not make for a new version of Versions based on plugins. Then if people want Git support, they can put Git support in (or any other system). That would make me buy it :D On Jul 31, 5:44 pm, unleashed wrote: I understand where the other posters are coming from, but thought I'd chime in as well. I'd have no problem paying full price for a versions git as well. I read the other posts and I realize this might not be worth it for the software developers, but if they are ever on the edge... I don't understand all the differences between git and svn, except that my developer is a huge fan of git, and he's the smartest person I know.Git does seem tidier in a lot of ways. Gitx is pretty bad if you're used to versions, and while I can use terminal to manage git, it's just not as fast as using versions. My 2¢ anyway. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Feature request: Git support
I would love a GIT app as well. Unfortunately I think the nature of GIT is such a vast paradigm shift from SVN, this not something you could just tag into Versions and make it work well It needs to be a standalone app, and given the previous comments about forced open sourced, it looks like we won't be seeing something like this from Sofa/Pico. On Jul 24, 2:19 am, frebro wrote: > Would it be possible for Versions to support both Git and Svn > repositories? It would be nice to be able to collect all repos in the > same app regardless of protocol. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to versions+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
+1 For git support in versions
I have to say that I love versions, and then I stumble upon this great revision control system called GIT, and now I can't live without my pretty versions interface. Please please please add git support to versions or another app! Keep up the great work! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Versions" group. To post to this group, send email to versions@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/versions?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
