Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
Jimmy: Your method usually works for me, and is what I tried first. And this topic is VERY fishing treated, cause anybody who has a boat, and especially one that has been in salt water, and you try and remove bolts, screws etc, you'll be cursing like a sailor LOL. For example, the switch that has the settings of continuous, and one more that I can't remember, went out the other day and now, I have to run my trolling motor on continous till I replace this switch and the switch mounting screws are giving me problems already. Chuck - Original Message - From: Jimmy D. Moore To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools Another method: Soak in penetrating oil first, then if there's even a tiny bit of the screw head left, take a phillips or regular screwdriver, whichever fits and place it on the screw head, trying to line it up with the part of screw head is remaining and tap fairly hard with a hammer. Sometimes you can re-indent the screw head and screw it out. A side benefit of tapping is that the screw just might be loosened a little. If you go the dremel tool route for loosening a flat head screw and don't want to scar the surrounding area, make sure the cutting head is a little smaller in diameter than is the diameter of the screw head. Then cut away. In any event, spray the screw with penetrating oil first and let it soak about 5 - 10 minutes. JD scott.bear...@gmail.com wrote: Most of these tools are just a gimmick. Next time make a slurry with Commet, or a scrubbing cleanser like it and paste that into the screw head. Place as much downward pressure as you can manage, and if the screw head hasn't already been completely rounded, it will come out. Works like a champ 99% of the time as long as there is something left for the slurry and screw driver to bite into. Scott On Jun 1, 2010 2:32am, Chuck Alexander wrote: > > Folks: I'm posting this to all these groups cause even > though it may sound off topic, it's really not, cause MANY ppl have to deal with > rusted bolts, screws. etc. Any of us who have even done any mechanic work know > what a life saver an Ez Out can be at times. So, I started seeing > commercial lately for these tools that will extract stripped screws instead. It > looked like magic on TV (like always) LOL... I got a set of three tools, to > remove screws sized 1, sized 2, and sized 3. One end has a left handed drill bit > thingy to ream out the hole. Them, the other end has a square, or rectangular > "bit" that removes the stripped out screw. My son bought himself an old Dodge > Ram 50 pickup, and the carburetor was flooding BAD and I needed to rebuild it, > but it was like the screws were welded into place LOL.. What I ended up doing > was to take my old trusty dremal tool, put in a 1" cutting wheel, and cut out as > "slot" all the way across the head of the screws thus turning a Phillips head > into huge flat head. It worked and I was able to remove EVERY screw. > > > > > So, if you are need of something like, save your money and > buy the dremal tool cut off wheels instead. NOW.. Since the carb is in 100 > pieces, whether I get it all back together is anybody's bet LOL.. The rebuilt > kit is supposed to be in Wednesday.If you hear LOUD cursing, that's just me down > here in Bama, trying to get it back together LOL, Chuck > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- ><º> * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing & Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish & Game Magazine, VFB & FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * <º>< *
Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover toolsThat's what Billie told me to say LOL, Chuck - Original Message - From: Allan Fish To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools Chuck, How would you Dremem-wheel cut a flush or embedded screw-head without damaging the surrounding surface? CMW2K, DonO VERY carefully. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2911 - Release Date: 06/01/10 13:25:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
Don: These particular screws, which are the ones that hole the top half of a carb to the bottom half, have a flat washer and a lock washer under the head of the bolt, so it's real easy to get in there, take your time and never even touch the body of the carb. Then, when you go back together, you just buy new screws,. I had been working on these screws (about 8 of them) for nearly a week. The dremal cutoff wheel had them off in less than thirty minutes total. Chuck - Original Message - From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools Chuck, How would you Dremem-wheel cut a flush or embedded screw-head without damaging the surrounding surface? CMW2K, DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com ; simple-living-in-the-computer-...@yahoogroups.com ; fly fishing for panfish Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:32 AM Subject: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools Folks: I'm posting this to all these groups cause even though it may sound off topic, it's really not, cause MANY ppl have to deal with rusted bolts, screws. etc. Any of us who have even done any mechanic work know what a life saver an Ez Out can be at times. So, I started seeing commercial lately for these tools that will extract stripped screws instead. It looked like magic on TV (like always) LOL... I got a set of three tools, to remove screws sized 1, sized 2, and sized 3. One end has a left handed drill bit thingy to ream out the hole. Them, the other end has a square, or rectangular "bit" that removes the stripped out screw. My son bought himself an old Dodge Ram 50 pickup, and the carburetor was flooding BAD and I needed to rebuild it, but it was like the screws were welded into place LOL.. What I ended up doing was to take my old trusty dremal tool, put in a 1" cutting wheel, and cut out as "slot" all the way across the head of the screws thus turning a Phillips head into huge flat head. It worked and I was able to remove EVERY screw. So, if you are need of something like, save your money and buy the dremal tool cut off wheels instead. NOW.. Since the carb is in 100 pieces, whether I get it all back together is anybody's bet LOL.. The rebuilt kit is supposed to be in Wednesday.If you hear LOUD cursing, that's just me down here in Bama, trying to get it back together LOL, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2911 - Release Date: 06/01/10 13:25:00 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
In addition to these excellent suggestions, on our car restoration class, we also use heat--a hot hair dryer held in place for several minutes..in addition to the penetrating oil and tapping. This often works on really rusted and stuck screws. joyce On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Don Ordes wrote: > Chuck, > How would you Dremem-wheel cut a flush or embedded screw-head without > damaging the surrounding surface? > CMW2K, > DonO > > - Original Message - > *From:* Chuck Alexander > *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com ; > simple-living-in-the-computer-...@yahoogroups.com ; fly fishing for > panfish > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:32 AM > *Subject:* [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools > > Folks: I'm posting this to all these groups cause even though it may sound > off topic, it's really not, cause MANY ppl have to deal with rusted bolts, > screws. etc. Any of us who have even done any mechanic work know what a life > saver an Ez Out can be at times. So, I started seeing commercial lately for > these tools that will extract stripped screws instead. It looked like magic > on TV (like always) LOL... I got a set of three tools, to remove screws > sized 1, sized 2, and sized 3. One end has a left handed drill bit thingy to > ream out the hole. Them, the other end has a square, or rectangular "bit" > that removes the stripped out screw. My son bought himself an old Dodge Ram > 50 pickup, and the carburetor was flooding BAD and I needed to rebuild it, > but it was like the screws were welded into place LOL.. What I ended up > doing was to take my old trusty dremal tool, put in a 1" cutting wheel, and > cut out as "slot" all the way across the head of the screws thus turning a > Phillips head into huge flat head. It worked and I was able to remove EVERY > screw. > > So, if you are need of something like, save your money and buy the dremal > tool cut off wheels instead. NOW.. Since the carb is in 100 pieces, whether > I get it all back together is anybody's bet LOL.. The rebuilt kit is > supposed to be in Wednesday.If you hear LOUD cursing, that's just me down > here in Bama, trying to get it back together LOL, Chuck > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" > group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Re: EPSON ANYONE?
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Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
Another method: Soak in penetrating oil first, then if there's even a tiny bit of the screw head left, take a phillips or regular screwdriver, whichever fits and place it on the screw head, trying to line it up with the part of screw head is remaining and tap fairly hard with a hammer. Sometimes you can re-indent the screw head and screw it out. A side benefit of tapping is that the screw just might be loosened a little. If you go the dremel tool route for loosening a flat head screw and don't want to scar the surrounding area, make sure the cutting head is a little smaller in diameter than is the diameter of the screw head. Then cut away. In any event, spray the screw with penetrating oil first and let it soak about 5 - 10 minutes. JD scott.bear...@gmail.com wrote: Most of these tools are just a gimmick. Next time make a slurry with Commet, or a scrubbing cleanser like it and paste that into the screw head. Place as much downward pressure as you can manage, and if the screw head hasn't already been completely rounded, it will come out. Works like a champ 99% of the time as long as there is something left for the slurry and screw driver to bite into. Scott On Jun 1, 2010 2:32am, Chuck Alexander wrote: > > Folks: I'm posting this to all these groups cause even > though it may sound off topic, it's really not, cause MANY ppl have to deal with > rusted bolts, screws. etc. Any of us who have even done any mechanic work know > what a life saver an Ez Out can be at times. So, I started seeing > commercial lately for these tools that will extract stripped screws instead. It > looked like magic on TV (like always) LOL... I got a set of three tools, to > remove screws sized 1, sized 2, and sized 3. One end has a left handed drill bit > thingy to ream out the hole. Them, the other end has a square, or rectangular > "bit" that removes the stripped out screw. My son bought himself an old Dodge > Ram 50 pickup, and the carburetor was flooding BAD and I needed to rebuild it, > but it was like the screws were welded into place LOL.. What I ended up doing > was to take my old trusty dremal tool, put in a 1" cutting wheel, and cut out as > "slot" all the way across the head of the screws thus turning a Phillips head > into huge flat head. It worked and I was able to remove EVERY screw. > > > > > So, if you are need of something like, save your money and > buy the dremal tool cut off wheels instead. NOW.. Since the carb is in 100 > pieces, whether I get it all back together is anybody's bet LOL.. The rebuilt > kit is supposed to be in Wednesday.If you hear LOUD cursing, that's just me down > here in Bama, trying to get it back together LOL, Chuck > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- ><º> * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing & Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish & Game Magazine, VFB & FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * <º>< *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] EPSON ANYONE?
I have a COLOR CARTRIDGE that fits the following Epson printers: Epson Stylus Color 400/440/60/600Q 640/660/670/740 740i/790/800/800N 850/850N/860 1160/1520 Epson Stylus Scan 2000/2500/2500 Pro Unfortunately, I have none of the above. Can you use it? First come first served. Your cost - $0.00 (best deal of the day). Just send me your address. If I don't hear from anyone, it's heading for the trash tomorrow. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
Most of these tools are just a gimmick. Next time make a slurry with Commet, or a scrubbing cleanser like it and paste that into the screw head. Place as much downward pressure as you can manage, and if the screw head hasn't already been completely rounded, it will come out. Works like a champ 99% of the time as long as there is something left for the slurry and screw driver to bite into. Scott On Jun 1, 2010 2:32am, Chuck Alexander wrote: Folks: I'm posting this to all these groups cause even though it may sound off topic, it's really not, cause MANY ppl have to deal with rusted bolts, screws. etc. Any of us who have even done any mechanic work know what a life saver an Ez Out can be at times. So, I started seeing commercial lately for these tools that will extract stripped screws instead. It looked like magic on TV (like always) LOL... I got a set of three tools, to remove screws sized 1, sized 2, and sized 3. One end has a left handed drill bit thingy to ream out the hole. Them, the other end has a square, or rectangular "bit" that removes the stripped out screw. My son bought himself an old Dodge Ram 50 pickup, and the carburetor was flooding BAD and I needed to rebuild it, but it was like the screws were welded into place LOL.. What I ended up doing was to take my old trusty dremal tool, put in a 1" cutting wheel, and cut out as "slot" all the way across the head of the screws thus turning a Phillips head into huge flat head. It worked and I was able to remove EVERY screw. So, if you are need of something like, save your money and buy the dremal tool cut off wheels instead. NOW.. Since the carb is in 100 pieces, whether I get it all back together is anybody's bet LOL.. The rebuilt kit is supposed to be in Wednesday.If you hear LOUD cursing, that's just me down here in Bama, trying to get it back together LOL, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
Chuck, How would you Dremem-wheel cut a flush or embedded screw-head without damaging the surrounding surface? CMW2K, DonO VERY carefully. a. -- Allan Fish Greenwood, IN afi...@sbcglobal.net -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
Back in the late 1950's when I was a youngster, I used to buy the "Angling Times" weekly newspaper for the princely sum of "sixpence" which was 6 old pence before they buggered everything up and went to the metric system of 100 pence to the pound from 240 pence to the pound! Anyhow, I digress, Arthur Ransome used to write an occasional column for Angling Times which I always found interesting. He spent quite a lot of his time in Russia, but I'm not sure when. It may have been pre WWII. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada _ From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy D. Moore Sent: June 1, 2010 10:03 AM To: Virtual Fly Box; Fly Fishing World; Hill Country Fly Fishers Subject: [VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY "Fishing simply sent me out of my mind. I could neither think nor talk of anything else. My mother was so angry with me that she said she wouldn't let me fish again because I might fall ill from such excitement." Sergei Aksakov {1791-1859} "Memoir" Translated by Arthur Ransome -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] QUOTE FOR THE DAY
"Fishing simply sent me out of my mind. I could neither think nor talk of anything else. My mother was so angry with me that she said she wouldn't let me fish again because I might fall ill from such excitement." Sergei Aksakov {1791-1859} "Memoir" Translated by Arthur Ransome ><º> * JIMMY D. MOORE, ARS WB5RHT,author Moon Holler Misfits Fishing & Hunting Club, Member, TOWA, Past VP Guadalupe River Trout Unlimited, North Zone Fishing Editor Emeritus, Texas Fish & Game Magazine, VFB & FFW Moderator, Scout Exec. BSA, Retired, http://bigtroutman.tripod.com/index.html * <º>< *** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools
Chuck, How would you Dremem-wheel cut a flush or embedded screw-head without damaging the surrounding surface? CMW2K, DonO - Original Message - From: Chuck Alexander To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com ; simple-living-in-the-computer-...@yahoogroups.com ; fly fishing for panfish Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:32 AM Subject: [VFB] Stripped screw remover tools Folks: I'm posting this to all these groups cause even though it may sound off topic, it's really not, cause MANY ppl have to deal with rusted bolts, screws. etc. Any of us who have even done any mechanic work know what a life saver an Ez Out can be at times. So, I started seeing commercial lately for these tools that will extract stripped screws instead. It looked like magic on TV (like always) LOL... I got a set of three tools, to remove screws sized 1, sized 2, and sized 3. One end has a left handed drill bit thingy to ream out the hole. Them, the other end has a square, or rectangular "bit" that removes the stripped out screw. My son bought himself an old Dodge Ram 50 pickup, and the carburetor was flooding BAD and I needed to rebuild it, but it was like the screws were welded into place LOL.. What I ended up doing was to take my old trusty dremal tool, put in a 1" cutting wheel, and cut out as "slot" all the way across the head of the screws thus turning a Phillips head into huge flat head. It worked and I was able to remove EVERY screw. So, if you are need of something like, save your money and buy the dremal tool cut off wheels instead. NOW.. Since the carb is in 100 pieces, whether I get it all back together is anybody's bet LOL.. The rebuilt kit is supposed to be in Wednesday.If you hear LOUD cursing, that's just me down here in Bama, trying to get it back together LOL, Chuck -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com