Re: [VFB] sorry to say i have to drop from swaps

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Subject: [VFB] sorry to say i have to drop from swaps


 I am so sorry that this is late getting to you all, I am having to drop 
from all the swaps that i am in, this is do to health reason. I have been in 
and out of the hospital for the last month and a half..so for me to hit 
timelines its kinda impossable  at this moment again i am sorry to do this 
to everybody... DonO i will mail you what i have and some of the stuff i was 
using for the swap , i am sorry to do this maybe one day i can get the hang 
of doing rope dubbing lol someday for now everybody pls take care..

Patrick Harnish

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[VFB] sorry to say i have to drop from swaps

[mystikalraven]

 I am so sorry that this is late getting to you all, I am having to drop 
from all the swaps that i am in, this is do to health reason. I have been in 
and out of the hospital for the last month and a half..so for me to hit 
timelines its kinda impossable  at this moment again i am sorry to do this to 
everybody... DonO i will mail you what i have and some of the stuff i was using 
for the swap , i am sorry to do this maybe one day i can get the hang of doing 
rope dubbing lol someday for now everybody pls take care.. 

Patrick Harnish

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Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Peggy Brenner]

Let me take another look at the web site tomorrow, took a quick tour and 
they do look good.  I knew Lava Lace was sold last year and have now 
refound the source ;-)


But I do find the idea of a swap good and will offer to meister, I have 
a good scale for the job.


Peggy B

Don Ordes wrote:

*GANG,*
 
The dry-fly hooks I'm looking at are priced @ $30.71 per 
*1000*.  General hook prices range for different styles from $20 to $60 
per 1000.  The $60 ones (per 1000) are the long sweep nymph-hooks in the 
#4 size, which would be expected. I think the most expensive I see are 
#1 long streamer hooks @ $0.12 per hook.   They are provided by 
Larva-Lace, so it's not some fly-by-night company.
 
That's rediculously inexpensive @ .03 to .06 cents per hook.  Grab your 
calculators, these are inexpensive, but they have to be bought in bulk.
 
Bags of 25 hooks are $3.50 or more at the shops, which is 1.75 cents per 
hook & up.
 
If someone could meister a swap similar to the co-op swap for the 
Whiting hackles like we did, then each person could buy a $30+/- bag 
(avg. cost) of hooks.  Ten people could join and buy a pre-perscribed 
bag- size and style, from a most used/wanted list. Depending on  how 
many hooks you need, you could buy in at more than one group. Then the 
meister could divide the bags into tenths and we'd each have 100 each of 
10 different size hooks for $40* (total cost).  
 
1. The meister would need to be someone with some time on his/her hands 
that has the time to count out or weigh out the hooks.  An accurate 
postage scale would be sufficient to divide hooks out by weight rather 
than count, and that would save a lot of time.  The scaled counts may be 
a couple of hooks off, but at .03 cents a hook, who cares?  Boxes of 100 
hooks used to be off by that much.
 
2.  Each person would buy a hook per size from Hagen's and drop-ship 
them to the meister.
 
*3. Each person will send postage for the weight (to e determined after 
divvying one group up) of the selection in a SASE envelope plus 10 small 
baggies to make it easier on the meister.  They could include a *tip* 
for the meister for his/her efforts.  A *$3 tip* from nine swappers 
would pay the meister's hooks off as a payment for the efforts.  So add 
$3 + $2 S&H, + $35 for the hooks, and the investment would be $40.
 
So a $40 investment will net you *1000 hooks* of 100 each of 10 sizes.  
That's a lot of hooks to tie up.  That's .04 cents per hook.  *As 
swapmeister, you'd get your hooks for almost free for your investment in 
time.*  You may, although, get called strange names, being a hookermesiter.
 
Any thoughts?  Suggestions?  If you are still on the list, this is where 
the VFB has been an opportunity in the past- bulk buying strength.  The 
Whiting co-op swaps were very successful.  Now that Byard is no longer 
involved, we are not competing against his shop, or else this would go 
through him for some profit to him.
 
If you all order a catalog with your hook purchase, this hook swap may 
just be the beginning of bulk-swaps as they offer all kinds of stuff at 
whole-sale prices.  I called Hagen's and they are fine with this 
arrangement.
I'd also join up for a saltwater hook swap. 
 
*Lure-makers* take note as the catalog has much for you.  You could set 
up a /lure-component swap/ and get bulk material prices even tough you 
are not a retail shop.
 
*Fresh-water dry-fly/wet-fly group: *(hooks to be determined: dry-fly, 
wet-fly, egg, scud)
 
1.  DonO 
2.

3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.  *SWAPMEISTER:* (Chuck? Your re-coup time could be measuring hooks 
and get free hooks)
 
 
DonO
 
 
 
 


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*From:* Rick Zieger 
*To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: [VFB] Hooks and materials

I got mustad hooks from them before but have not tried anything they
have latgely.
 
Rick



*From:* Don Ordes mailto:f...@tribcsp.com>>
*To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
*Sent:* Wed, July 14, 2010 6:36:12 PM
*Subject:* [VFB] Hooks and materials

Has anyone bought any hooks, materials, etc. from an outfit called
Hagen's?

They have a great price on an off-brand of Japanese fly-hooks, but I
would like to know if someone has tried these before.

DonO




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Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Don Ordes]

I got the price of the hooks wrong- blaming it on the drugs for TN.

My original calculation was about 75 cents for a bag of 25, and that's the 
correct price on average- 3 cents per hook.  Not .03 cents per hook, but .03 
dollars per hook.  

'Surgery was successful, doctor, but the patient died'.
That's the motto of the big medical center here.

DonO 

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  From: Rodger Oleson 
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  Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion




  Don Ordes wrote: 
Roger, Rodger

There will have to be multiple themes for hooks, like I showed on the list- 
'dry-fly/wet-fly group'.  This could be narrowed down to trout-fly, panfish, 
midge, small salt, large salt, etc.
  Sounds doable..I think.  Might be a economic boon for us poor folks.  Rodger


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Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.

[Niclas Runarsson]

THAT was a neat approach... epoxy. Sharp reflections, but still smooth as a
baby butt. ;o)
 
/Nick

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Ämne: Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.


Now I can see the picture on the 'puter instead of the phone, thats the same
stuff I was looking at while getting some hopper foam. Thought Crease flies
at the time. The body of which is covered in epoxy. I may have to go
shopping again. 


I can see a shooting star fly appearingcomplete with twinkle behind
it!

Ashley


On 15 July 2010 14:18, Rick Zieger  wrote:


Make a small popper body and wrap this around the outside.  Use a little
superl gue to hold it. 
I put the hook in the bottom between the body and the wrap of the foam.
 
Rick 


  _  

From: Niclas Runarsson 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 5:05:37 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.


Yepp. Sticky backed. The glitter was however of a type that quite easily was
rubbed off. Everywhere on the clothes and floor, micro... no, nano... no,
pico... no, FEMTO small sparkles. LOL

Maybe a thin layer of Flex-Loc or something will hold it onto the material.
Or you just let it leave a "trail" for the fish to follow... like a sparkly
smoke behind a "fly launch".

/Nick


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Ämne: Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.


Hi Nick,  Sounds like the same stuff I found last week. Is it
sticky backed? I was thinking crease flies.  Ashley

On 15/07/2010, Niclas Runarsson  wrote:
> Like many times before Teresa stepped into the fly-tying room after 
> her shopping trip, dug a little in a plastic bag... and so came the 
> (expected)
> question: "I found these and thought you might have use for them... or
> should I just give them to the girls?"
>
> I bet she knew they had a one-way ticket to my drawers though.
>
> SPARKLE FOAM SHEETS!!! CLOSED CELL JEWELRY!!!
>
>
>
> I'll never let her go. She's even better to sniff up cool materials 
> than I am myself.  :wub: 
>  gif>
>
> /Nick
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Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.

[ashley strutt]

Now I can see the picture on the 'puter instead of the phone, thats the same
stuff I was looking at while getting some hopper foam. Thought Crease flies
at the time. The body of which is covered in epoxy. I may have to go
shopping again.


I can see a shooting star fly appearingcomplete with twinkle behind
it!

Ashley

On 15 July 2010 14:18, Rick Zieger  wrote:

> Make a small popper body and wrap this around the outside.  Use a little
> superl gue to hold it.
> I put the hook in the bottom between the body and the wrap of the foam.
>
> Rick
>
>  --
> *From:* Niclas Runarsson 
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thu, July 15, 2010 5:05:37 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.
>
> Yepp. Sticky backed. The glitter was however of a type that quite easily
> was
> rubbed off. Everywhere on the clothes and floor, micro... no, nano... no,
> pico... no, FEMTO small sparkles. LOL
>
> Maybe a thin layer of Flex-Loc or something will hold it onto the material.
> Or you just let it leave a "trail" for the fish to follow... like a sparkly
> smoke behind a "fly launch".
>
> /Nick
>
>
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> Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] För
> ashley strutt
> Skickat: den 15 juli 2010 11:19
> Till: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Ämne: Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.
>
>
> Hi Nick,  Sounds like the same stuff I found last week. Is it
> sticky backed? I was thinking crease flies.  Ashley
>
> On 15/07/2010, Niclas Runarsson  wrote:
> > Like many times before Teresa stepped into the fly-tying room after
> > her shopping trip, dug a little in a plastic bag... and so came the
> > (expected)
> > question: "I found these and thought you might have use for them... or
> > should I just give them to the girls?"
> >
> > I bet she knew they had a one-way ticket to my drawers though.
> >
> > SPARKLE FOAM SHEETS!!! CLOSED CELL JEWELRY!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll never let her go. She's even better to sniff up cool materials
> > than I am myself.  :wub:
> >  > gif>
> >
> > /Nick
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Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Rodger Oleson]

Don Ordes wrote:

  
  
  Roger, Rodger
   
  There will have to be multiple themes
for hooks, like I showed on the list- 'dry-fly/wet-fly group'. 
This could be narrowed down to trout-fly, panfish, midge, small salt,
large salt, etc.

Sounds doable..I think.  Might be a economic boon for us poor folks. 
Rodger





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Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Don Ordes]

Roger, Rodger

There will have to be multiple themes for hooks, like I showed on the list- 
'dry-fly/wet-fly group'.  This could be narrowed down to trout-fly, panfish, 
midge, small salt, large salt, etc.

I mentioned that I would also joinn a saltwater hook swap.  By extension, you 
could create a warm-water hook swap.  There could also be a spinner-blade swap- 
whatever.  Lure-makers could have a treble-hook swap, and so on.  They also 
carry beads.

It would just take some organizing, planning, and a meister for each swap, who 
should, in my estimation, get his/her hooks for free (the tips) for their 
efforts to divide and ship.

This is not a once-only deal.  It could become an economical VFB trend for the 
future.  

Like I said, the Whiting saddle co-op swap was the model, and it worked very 
well.  Everyone was satisfied and got what they wanted, and there were many 
Whiting co-ops after the 1st trial run.

DonO
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rodger Oleson 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:09 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion


  Don,  Sounds like you or Bugs or someone has done quite a bit of thinking 
about this hook swap idea.  I'm curious how you will ever get ten people to 
agree on the size and type of hooks to get.  I'm mostly a warm water 
fisherman(8-10-12 or larger hooks) and really have little use for 14-18's 
except on special occasions when I'm tying for a swap.  Trout fishermen(prolly 
a bunch of them around)might not be interested in size 8 or larger.  Is this 
something the individuals will decide and then trade whatever size type of hook 
they want to buy to the other folks for the size/type of hook they decide to 
buy, or are you hoping for some kind of group consensus on sizes and types?  
Just wondering :-\ 

  Rodger

  Don Ordes wrote: 
GANG,

The dry-fly hooks I'm looking at are priced @ $30.71 per 1000.  General 
hook prices range for different styles from $20 to $60 per 1000.  The $60 ones 
(per 1000) are the long sweep nymph-hooks in the #4 size, which would be 
expected. I think the most expensive I see are #1 long streamer hooks @ $0.12 
per hook.   They are provided by Larva-Lace, so it's not some fly-by-night 
company.

That's rediculously inexpensive @ .03 to .06 cents per hook.  Grab your 
calculators, these are inexpensive, but they have to be bought in bulk.

Bags of 25 hooks are $3.50 or more at the shops, which is 1.75 cents per 
hook & up.

If someone could meister a swap similar to the co-op swap for the Whiting 
hackles like we did, then each person could buy a $30+/- bag (avg. cost) of 
hooks.  Ten people could join and buy a pre-perscribed bag- size and style, 
from a most used/wanted list. Depending on  how many hooks you need, you could 
buy in at more than one group. Then the meister could divide the bags into 
tenths and we'd each have 100 each of 10 different size hooks for $40* (total 
cost).  
  
1. The meister would need to be someone with some time on his/her hands 
that has the time to count out or weigh out the hooks.  An accurate postage 
scale would be sufficient to divide hooks out by weight rather than count, and 
that would save a lot of time.  The scaled counts may be a couple of hooks off, 
but at .03 cents a hook, who cares?  Boxes of 100 hooks used to be off by that 
much.

2.  Each person would buy a hook per size from Hagen's and drop-ship them 
to the meister.

*3. Each person will send postage for the weight (to e determined after 
divvying one group up) of the selection in a SASE envelope plus 10 small 
baggies to make it easier on the meister.  They could include a tip for the 
meister for his/her efforts.  A $3 tip from nine swappers would pay the 
meister's hooks off as a payment for the efforts.  So add $3 + $2 S&H, + $35 
for the hooks, and the investment would be $40.

So a $40 investment will net you 1000 hooks of 100 each of 10 sizes.  
That's a lot of hooks to tie up.  That's .04 cents per hook.  As swapmeister, 
you'd get your hooks for almost free for your investment in time.  You may, 
although, get called strange names, being a hookermesiter.

Any thoughts?  Suggestions?  If you are still on the list, this is where 
the VFB has been an opportunity in the past- bulk buying strength.  The Whiting 
co-op swaps were very successful.  Now that Byard is no longer involved, we are 
not competing against his shop, or else this would go through him for some 
profit to him.

If you all order a catalog with your hook purchase, this hook swap may just 
be the beginning of bulk-swaps as they offer all kinds of stuff at whole-sale 
prices.  I called Hagen's and they are fine with this arrangement.
I'd also join up for a saltwater hook swap.  

Lure-makers take note as the catalog has much for you.  You could set up a 
lure-component swap and get bulk material prices even tough you are not a 

Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Rodger Oleson]

Don,  Sounds like you or Bugs or someone has done quite a bit of
thinking about this hook swap idea.  I'm curious how you will ever get
ten people to agree on the size and type of hooks to get.  I'm mostly a
warm water fisherman(8-10-12 or larger hooks) and really have little
use for 14-18's except on special occasions when I'm tying for a swap. 
Trout fishermen(prolly a bunch of them around)might not be interested
in size 8 or larger.  Is this something the individuals will decide and
then trade whatever size type of hook they want to buy to the other
folks for the size/type of hook they decide to buy, or are you hoping
for some kind of group consensus on sizes and types?  Just wondering :-\ 

Rodger

Don Ordes wrote:

  
  
  
  GANG,
   
  The dry-fly hooks I'm looking at are
priced @ $30.71 per 1000.  General hook prices range
for different styles from $20 to $60 per 1000.  The $60 ones (per
1000) are the long sweep nymph-hooks in the #4 size, which would be
expected. I think the most expensive I see are #1 long streamer hooks @
$0.12 per hook.   They are provided by Larva-Lace, so it's not some
fly-by-night company.
   
  That's rediculously inexpensive @
.03 to .06 cents per hook.  Grab your calculators, these are
inexpensive, but they have to be bought in bulk.
   
  Bags of 25 hooks are $3.50 or
more at the shops, which is 1.75 cents per hook & up.
   
  If someone could meister a swap
similar to the co-op swap for the Whiting hackles like we did, then
each person could buy a $30+/- bag (avg. cost) of hooks.  Ten people
could join and buy a pre-perscribed bag- size and style, from a most
used/wanted list. Depending on  how many hooks you need, you could buy
in at more than one group. Then the meister could divide the bags into
tenths and we'd each have 100 each of 10 different size hooks for $40*
(total cost).  
    
  1. The meister would need to be
someone with some time on his/her hands that has the time to count out
or weigh out the hooks.  An accurate postage scale would be sufficient
to divide hooks out by weight rather than count, and that would save a
lot of time.  The scaled counts may be a couple of hooks off, but at
.03 cents a hook, who cares?  Boxes of 100 hooks used to be off by that
much.
   
  2.  Each person would buy a hook per
size from Hagen's and drop-ship them to the meister.
   
  *3. Each person will send postage
for the weight (to e determined after divvying one group up) of the
selection in a SASE envelope plus 10 small baggies to make it easier on
the meister.  They could include a tip for the
meister for his/her efforts.  A $3 tip from nine
swappers would pay the meister's hooks off as a payment for the
efforts.  So add $3 + $2 S&H, + $35 for the hooks, and the
investment would be $40.
   
  So a $40 investment will net you 1000
hooks of 100 each of 10 sizes.  That's a lot of hooks to tie
up.  That's .04 cents per hook.  As swapmeister, you'd get
your hooks for almost free for your investment in time.  You
may, although, get called strange names, being a hookermesiter.
   
  Any thoughts?  Suggestions?  If you
are still on the list, this is where the VFB has been an opportunity in
the past- bulk buying strength.  The Whiting co-op swaps were very
successful.  Now that Byard is no longer involved, we are not competing
against his shop, or else this would go through him for some profit to
him.
   
  If you all order a catalog with your
hook purchase, this hook swap may just be the beginning of bulk-swaps
as they offer all kinds of stuff at whole-sale prices.  I called
Hagen's and they are fine with this arrangement.
  I'd also join up for a saltwater
hook swap.  
   
  Lure-makers take
note as the catalog has much for you.  You could set up a lure-component
swap and get bulk material prices even tough you are not a retail
shop.
   
  Fresh-water dry-fly/wet-fly
group: (hooks to be determined: dry-fly, wet-fly, egg, scud)
   
  1.  DonO 
  2.
  3.
  4.
  5.
  6.
  7.
  8.
  9.
  10.  SWAPMEISTER:
(Chuck? Your re-coup time could be measuring hooks and get free hooks)
   
   
  DonO
   
   
   
   
  
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Sent:
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Subject:
Re: [VFB] Hooks and materials



I got mustad hooks from them before but have not tried
anything they have latgely.
 
Rick 



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To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 14,
2010 6:36:12 PM
Subject: [VFB] Hooks
and materials

Has anyone bought any hooks, materials, etc. from an outfit called
Hagen's?

They have a great price on an off-brand of Japanese fly-hooks, but I
would like to know if someone has tried these before.

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Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[John]

Count me in dono!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:28 PM, "Don Ordes"  wrote:

GANG,
 
The dry-fly hooks I'm looking at are priced @ $30.71 per 1000.  General hook 
prices range for different styles from $20 to $60 per 1000.  The $60 ones (per 
1000) are the long sweep nymph-hooks in the #4 size, which would be expected. I 
think the most expensive I see are #1 long streamer hooks @ $0.12 per hook.   
They are provided by Larva-Lace, so it's not some fly-by-night company.
 
That's rediculously inexpensive @ .03 to .06 cents per hook.  Grab your 
calculators, these are inexpensive, but they have to be bought in bulk.
 
Bags of 25 hooks are $3.50 or more at the  shops, which is 1.75 cents per hook 
& up.
 
If someone could meister a swap similar to the co-op swap for the Whiting 
hackles like we did, then each person could buy a $30+/- bag (avg. cost) of 
hooks.  Ten people could join and buy a pre-perscribed bag- size and style, 
from a most used/wanted list. Depending on  how many hooks you need, you could 
buy in at more than one group. Then the meister could divide the bags into 
tenths and we'd each have 100 each of 10 different size hooks for $40* (total 
cost).  
 
1. The meister would need to be someone with some time on his/her hands that 
has the time to count out or weigh out the hooks.  An accurate postage scale 
would be sufficient to divide hooks out by weight rather than count, and that 
would save a lot of time.  The scaled counts may be a couple of hooks off, but 
at .03 cents a hook, who cares?  Boxes of 100 hooks used to be off by that much.
 
2.  Each person would buy a hook per size from Hagen's and drop-ship them to 
the meister.
 
*3. Each person will send postage for the weight (to e determined after 
divvying one group up) of the selection in a SASE envelope plus 10 small 
baggies to make it easier on the meister.  They could include a tip for the 
meister for his/her efforts.  A $3 tip from nine swappers would pay the 
meister's hooks off as a payment for the efforts.  So add $3 + $2 S&H, + $35 
for the hooks, and the investment would be $40.
 
So a $40 investment will net you 1000 hooks of 100 each of 10 sizes.  That's a 
lot of hooks to tie up.  That's .04 cents per hook.  As swapmeister, you'd get 
your hooks for almost free for your investment in time.  You may, although, get 
called strange names, being a hookermesiter.
 
Any thoughts?  Suggestions?  If you are still on the list, this is where the 
VFB has been an opportunity in the past- bulk buying strength.  The Whiting 
co-op swaps were very successful.  Now that Byard is no longer involved, we are 
not competing against his shop, or else this would go through him for some 
profit to him.
 
If you all order a catalog with your hook purchase, this hook swap may just be 
the beginning of bulk-swaps as they offer all kinds of stuff at whole-sale 
prices.  I called Hagen's and they are fine with this arrangement.
I'd also join up for a saltwater hook swap. 
 
Lure-makers take note as the catalog has much for you.  You could set up a 
lure-component swap and get bulk material prices even tough you are not a 
retail shop.
 
Fresh-water dry-fly/wet-fly group: (hooks to be determined: dry-fly, wet-fly, 
egg, scud)
 
1.  DonO 
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.  SWAPMEISTER: (Chuck? Your re-coup time could be measuring hooks and get 
free hooks)
 
 
DonO
 
 
 
 
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From: Rick Zieger
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Hooks and materials

I got mustad hooks from them before but have not tried anything they have 
latgely.
 
Rick 

From: Don Ordes 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 6:36:12 PM
Subject: [VFB] Hooks and materials

Has anyone bought any hooks, materials, etc. from an outfit called Hagen's?

They have a great price on an off-brand of Japanese fly-hooks, but I would like 
to know if someone has tried these before.

DonO

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Re: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Don Ordes]

Sorry, my solar calculator is not working very well.  At $3.50 per bag of 25 
hooks, that's 14 cents per hook.
DonO
  - Original Message - 
  From: Don Ordes 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 10:28 AM
  Subject: [VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion


  GANG,

  The dry-fly hooks I'm looking at are priced @ $30.71 per 1000.  General hook 
prices range for different styles from $20 to $60 per 1000.  The $60 ones (per 
1000) are the long sweep nymph-hooks in the #4 size, which would be expected. I 
think the most expensive I see are #1 long streamer hooks @ $0.12 per hook.   
They are provided by Larva-Lace, so it's not some fly-by-night company.

  That's rediculously inexpensive @ .03 to .06 cents per hook.  Grab your 
calculators, these are inexpensive, but they have to be bought in bulk.

  Bags of 25 hooks are $3.50 or more at the shops, which is 1.75 cents per hook 
& up.

  If someone could meister a swap similar to the co-op swap for the Whiting 
hackles like we did, then each person could buy a $30+/- bag (avg. cost) of 
hooks.  Ten people could join and buy a pre-perscribed bag- size and style, 
from a most used/wanted list. Depending on  how many hooks you need, you could 
buy in at more than one group. Then the meister could divide the bags into 
tenths and we'd each have 100 each of 10 different size hooks for $40* (total 
cost).  

  1. The meister would need to be someone with some time on his/her hands that 
has the time to count out or weigh out the hooks.  An accurate postage scale 
would be sufficient to divide hooks out by weight rather than count, and that 
would save a lot of time.  The scaled counts may be a couple of hooks off, but 
at .03 cents a hook, who cares?  Boxes of 100 hooks used to be off by that much.

  2.  Each person would buy a hook per size from Hagen's and drop-ship them to 
the meister.

  *3. Each person will send postage for the weight (to e determined after 
divvying one group up) of the selection in a SASE envelope plus 10 small 
baggies to make it easier on the meister.  They could include a tip for the 
meister for his/her efforts.  A $3 tip from nine swappers would pay the 
meister's hooks off as a payment for the efforts.  So add $3 + $2 S&H, + $35 
for the hooks, and the investment would be $40.

  So a $40 investment will net you 1000 hooks of 100 each of 10 sizes.  That's 
a lot of hooks to tie up.  That's .04 cents per hook.  As swapmeister, you'd 
get your hooks for almost free for your investment in time.  You may, although, 
get called strange names, being a hookermesiter.

  Any thoughts?  Suggestions?  If you are still on the list, this is where the 
VFB has been an opportunity in the past- bulk buying strength.  The Whiting 
co-op swaps were very successful.  Now that Byard is no longer involved, we are 
not competing against his shop, or else this would go through him for some 
profit to him.

  If you all order a catalog with your hook purchase, this hook swap may just 
be the beginning of bulk-swaps as they offer all kinds of stuff at whole-sale 
prices.  I called Hagen's and they are fine with this arrangement.
  I'd also join up for a saltwater hook swap.  

  Lure-makers take note as the catalog has much for you.  You could set up a 
lure-component swap and get bulk material prices even tough you are not a 
retail shop.

  Fresh-water dry-fly/wet-fly group: (hooks to be determined: dry-fly, wet-fly, 
egg, scud)

  1.  DonO 
  2.
  3.
  4.
  5.
  6.
  7.
  8.
  9.
  10.  SWAPMEISTER: (Chuck? Your re-coup time could be measuring hooks and get 
free hooks)


  DonO




- Original Message - 
From: Rick Zieger 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] Hooks and materials


I got mustad hooks from them before but have not tried anything they have 
latgely.

Rick 





From: Don Ordes 
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 6:36:12 PM
Subject: [VFB] Hooks and materials

Has anyone bought any hooks, materials, etc. from an outfit called Hagen's?

They have a great price on an off-brand of Japanese fly-hooks, but I would 
like to know if someone has tried these before.

DonO

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[VFB] Hook Co-op swap like the Whiting Co-op swap- suggestion

[Don Ordes]

GANG,

The dry-fly hooks I'm looking at are priced @ $30.71 per 1000.  General hook 
prices range for different styles from $20 to $60 per 1000.  The $60 ones (per 
1000) are the long sweep nymph-hooks in the #4 size, which would be expected. I 
think the most expensive I see are #1 long streamer hooks @ $0.12 per hook.   
They are provided by Larva-Lace, so it's not some fly-by-night company.

That's rediculously inexpensive @ .03 to .06 cents per hook.  Grab your 
calculators, these are inexpensive, but they have to be bought in bulk.

Bags of 25 hooks are $3.50 or more at the shops, which is 1.75 cents per hook & 
up.

If someone could meister a swap similar to the co-op swap for the Whiting 
hackles like we did, then each person could buy a $30+/- bag (avg. cost) of 
hooks.  Ten people could join and buy a pre-perscribed bag- size and style, 
from a most used/wanted list. Depending on  how many hooks you need, you could 
buy in at more than one group. Then the meister could divide the bags into 
tenths and we'd each have 100 each of 10 different size hooks for $40* (total 
cost).  
  
1. The meister would need to be someone with some time on his/her hands that 
has the time to count out or weigh out the hooks.  An accurate postage scale 
would be sufficient to divide hooks out by weight rather than count, and that 
would save a lot of time.  The scaled counts may be a couple of hooks off, but 
at .03 cents a hook, who cares?  Boxes of 100 hooks used to be off by that much.

2.  Each person would buy a hook per size from Hagen's and drop-ship them to 
the meister.

*3. Each person will send postage for the weight (to e determined after 
divvying one group up) of the selection in a SASE envelope plus 10 small 
baggies to make it easier on the meister.  They could include a tip for the 
meister for his/her efforts.  A $3 tip from nine swappers would pay the 
meister's hooks off as a payment for the efforts.  So add $3 + $2 S&H, + $35 
for the hooks, and the investment would be $40.

So a $40 investment will net you 1000 hooks of 100 each of 10 sizes.  That's a 
lot of hooks to tie up.  That's .04 cents per hook.  As swapmeister, you'd get 
your hooks for almost free for your investment in time.  You may, although, get 
called strange names, being a hookermesiter.

Any thoughts?  Suggestions?  If you are still on the list, this is where the 
VFB has been an opportunity in the past- bulk buying strength.  The Whiting 
co-op swaps were very successful.  Now that Byard is no longer involved, we are 
not competing against his shop, or else this would go through him for some 
profit to him.

If you all order a catalog with your hook purchase, this hook swap may just be 
the beginning of bulk-swaps as they offer all kinds of stuff at whole-sale 
prices.  I called Hagen's and they are fine with this arrangement.
I'd also join up for a saltwater hook swap.  

Lure-makers take note as the catalog has much for you.  You could set up a 
lure-component swap and get bulk material prices even tough you are not a 
retail shop.

Fresh-water dry-fly/wet-fly group: (hooks to be determined: dry-fly, wet-fly, 
egg, scud)

1.  DonO 
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.  SWAPMEISTER: (Chuck? Your re-coup time could be measuring hooks and get 
free hooks)


DonO




  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Zieger 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Hooks and materials


  I got mustad hooks from them before but have not tried anything they have 
latgely.

  Rick 




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  Subject: [VFB] Hooks and materials

  Has anyone bought any hooks, materials, etc. from an outfit called Hagen's?

  They have a great price on an off-brand of Japanese fly-hooks, but I would 
like to know if someone has tried these before.

  DonO

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Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.

[Rick Zieger]

Make a small popper body and wrap this around the outside.  Use a little superl 
gue to hold it. 
I put the hook in the bottom between the body and the wrap of the foam.

Rick 




From: Niclas Runarsson 
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Sent: Thu, July 15, 2010 5:05:37 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.

Yepp. Sticky backed. The glitter was however of a type that quite easily was
rubbed off. Everywhere on the clothes and floor, micro... no, nano... no,
pico... no, FEMTO small sparkles. LOL

Maybe a thin layer of Flex-Loc or something will hold it onto the material.
Or you just let it leave a "trail" for the fish to follow... like a sparkly
smoke behind a "fly launch".

/Nick


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Ämne: Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.


Hi Nick,      Sounds like the same stuff I found last week. Is it
sticky backed? I was thinking crease flies.      Ashley

On 15/07/2010, Niclas Runarsson  wrote:
> Like many times before Teresa stepped into the fly-tying room after 
> her shopping trip, dug a little in a plastic bag... and so came the 
> (expected)
> question: "I found these and thought you might have use for them... or
> should I just give them to the girls?"
>
> I bet she knew they had a one-way ticket to my drawers though.
>
> SPARKLE FOAM SHEETS!!! CLOSED CELL JEWELRY!!!
>
>
>
> I'll never let her go. She's even better to sniff up cool materials 
> than I am myself.  :wub: 
>  gif>
>
> /Nick
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Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.

[Niclas Runarsson]

Yepp. Sticky backed. The glitter was however of a type that quite easily was
rubbed off. Everywhere on the clothes and floor, micro... no, nano... no,
pico... no, FEMTO small sparkles. LOL

Maybe a thin layer of Flex-Loc or something will hold it onto the material.
Or you just let it leave a "trail" for the fish to follow... like a sparkly
smoke behind a "fly launch".

/Nick


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Ämne: Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.


Hi Nick,   Sounds like the same stuff I found last week. Is it
sticky backed? I was thinking crease flies.  Ashley

On 15/07/2010, Niclas Runarsson  wrote:
> Like many times before Teresa stepped into the fly-tying room after 
> her shopping trip, dug a little in a plastic bag... and so came the 
> (expected)
> question: "I found these and thought you might have use for them... or
> should I just give them to the girls?"
>
> I bet she knew they had a one-way ticket to my drawers though.
>
> SPARKLE FOAM SHEETS!!! CLOSED CELL JEWELRY!!!
>
>
>
> I'll never let her go. She's even better to sniff up cool materials 
> than I am myself.  :wub: 
>  gif>
>
> /Nick
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Re: [VFB] 'COOOL'... said the foam freak.

[ashley strutt]

Hi Nick,   Sounds like the same stuff I found last week. Is it
sticky backed? I was thinking crease flies.  Ashley

On 15/07/2010, Niclas Runarsson  wrote:
> Like many times before Teresa stepped into the fly-tying room after her
> shopping trip, dug a little in a plastic bag... and so came the (expected)
> question: "I found these and thought you might have use for them... or
> should I just give them to the girls?"
>
> I bet she knew they had a one-way ticket to my drawers though.
>
> SPARKLE FOAM SHEETS!!! CLOSED CELL JEWELRY!!!
>
>
>
> I'll never let her go. She's even better to sniff up cool materials than I
> am myself.  :wub:
> 
>
> /Nick
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[VFB] Bali

[Brian Burgess]

Has anyone fished in Bali ( fly or otherwise ) ?
I am going in August and wondered if it was worth sneaking a bit of tackle in 
my case.

Birdie

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