Re: [VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related
Dan, Thanks for your research. I read it pretty much the same way. So I really think what people (opposers) fear is who has the final authority (the feds and whatever party), and what could that mean in the future. Is it in the realm of possibility that some future politician (either party) might decide to floor a bill that compromises our fishing in favor of alleviating 'pain and suffering' to fish, using the 'guidelines' of this bill. That's not far-fetched, if PETA lobbyists were to get huge funding from a big-money special interest source. 1. So is it a real threat? Not as written. 2. Is it a perceived threat via set-up and ground-rules? Quite possible. 3. Is that their long-range goal- one step at a time, to take over, like Hitler? Who knows? 4. Is it leaning towards socialism and total government control? Depends on what party you belong to. 5. Is my (or our) flyfishing jeopardized? Not at the moment. But can that change? Yes. 6. Would this bill make it easier for the feds. (either party) to clamp down or 'control-for-profit (i.e. hikes in taxes, permits, licenses, fees, etc,) sport-fishing if they chose to do so in the future? Quite possible- it's standard practice as it is. More taxation is in the cards anyway. 7. Will certain groups in our society be shown favoritism when it comes to getting a free walk down to the water, rod in hand? Already there. And $76 billion is a lot of money, but they could print that next week if they wanted to (with proper motivation). They talk billions and trillions now like they did 1000's and millions 30 years ago. This 'debate' seems to boiling down to trust and/or suspicion, and party affiliation. DonO - Original Message - From: "Dan" To: Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related OK guys and girls; I am using desert rat's latest post as a ramp to enter my post on this subject. I mean no malice or discontent towards Jimi. He is a great guy and a frequent contributor here at VFB. Please don't read anything into this except as stated, a tool to enter this fray. I went to the bill's homepage http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s787/text and read the actual bill. (S.787 - Clean Water Restoration Act) To what I am reading, there is nothing that even resembles anything that would infringe upon our fishing, hunting, bird watching or any thing else. From what I read, it is a good thing. It even states that fishing and bird hunting on our waters brings in over $76,600,000,000.00 dollars. That's BILLIONS folks, with a B. As far as I can see. all the bill does is change some wording, and reinforces the clean water act of 1972. TO WIT: "The purposes of this Act are-- (1) to reaffirm the original intent of Congress in enacting the Federal Water Pollution Control Act Amendments of 1972 (Public Law 92-500; 86 Stat. 816) to restore and maintain the chemical, physical, and biological integrity of the waters of the United States; (2) to clearly define the waters of the United States that are subject to the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (33 U.S.C. 1251 et seq.); and (3) to provide protection to the waters of the United States to the maximum extent of the legislative authority of Congress under the Constitution." It seems to be all about keeping pollutants our of the water, and keeping it clean. It states nothing about curtailing any water related sports activities. By the way, the bill was introduced in April of 2009 by several congressmen. Here are the proponents of the bill: Mr. FEINGOLD (for himself, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. BROWN, Ms. CANTWELL, Mr. CARPER, Mr. DODD, Mr. DURBIN, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. KERRY, Mr. KOHL, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. MERKLEY, Mr. REED, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. SCHUMER, Mrs. SHAHEEN, Ms. STABENOW, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, and Mr. WYDEN) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works. There hasn't been any activity on this bill since June 2009, and according to the government tracking site of house and senate bills, (http://www.govtrack.us/users/events.xpd?monitors=bill:s111-787) there hasn't been any activity since. Sorry to be so long winded, but if we are going to send this type of info out, we need the facts, not some sensationalistic journalist's slanted and biased opinion. Now, can we get back to fly tying and fishing? Salty Dan Dan Harriman Tyler Texas If at first you don't succeed, maybe you shouldn't try sky diving! --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Desert Eagle wrote: From: Desert Eagle Subject: [VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related To: "VFB" Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:37 AM Your favorite fishing stream is in danger of being lost. Federal Power Grab: Clean Water Restor
Re: [VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related
OK guys and girls; I am using desert rat's latest post as a ramp to enter my post on this subject. I mean no malice or discontent towards Jimi. He is a great guy and a frequent contributor here at VFB. Please don't read anything into this except as stated, a tool to enter this fray. I went to the bill's homepage http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s787/text and read the actual bill. (S.787 - Clean Water Restoration Act) To what I am reading, there is nothing that even resembles anything that would infringe upon our fishing, hunting, bird watching or any thing else. From what I read, it is a good thing. It even states that fishing and bird hunting on our waters brings in over $76,600,000,000.00 dollars. That's BILLIONS folks, with a B. As far as I can see. all the bill does is change some wording, and reinforces the clean water act of 1972. TO WIT: "The purposes of this Act are-- (1) to reaffirm the original intent of Congress in enacting the Federal Water Pollution Control Act Amendments of 1972 (Public Law 92-500; 86 Stat. 816) to restore and maintain the chemical, physical, and biological integrity of the waters of the United States; (2) to clearly define the waters of the United States that are subject to the Federal Water Pollution Control Act (33 U.S.C. 1251 et seq.); and (3) to provide protection to the waters of the United States to the maximum extent of the legislative authority of Congress under the Constitution." It seems to be all about keeping pollutants our of the water, and keeping it clean. It states nothing about curtailing any water related sports activities. By the way, the bill was introduced in April of 2009 by several congressmen. Here are the proponents of the bill: Mr. FEINGOLD (for himself, Mrs. BOXER, Mr. CARDIN, Mr. BROWN, Ms. CANTWELL, Mr. CARPER, Mr. DODD, Mr. DURBIN, Mrs. GILLIBRAND, Mr. KERRY, Mr. KOHL, Mr. LAUTENBERG, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. LEVIN, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. MENENDEZ, Mr. MERKLEY, Mr. REED, Mr. SANDERS, Mr. SCHUMER, Mrs. SHAHEEN, Ms. STABENOW, Mr. WHITEHOUSE, and Mr. WYDEN) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Environment and Public Works. There hasn't been any activity on this bill since June 2009, and according to the government tracking site of house and senate bills, (http://www.govtrack.us/users/events.xpd?monitors=bill:s111-787) there hasn't been any activity since. Sorry to be so long winded, but if we are going to send this type of info out, we need the facts, not some sensationalistic journalist's slanted and biased opinion. Now, can we get back to fly tying and fishing? Salty Dan Dan Harriman Tyler Texas If at first you don't succeed, maybe you shouldn't try sky diving! --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Desert Eagle wrote: > From: Desert Eagle > Subject: [VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related > To: "VFB" > Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 8:37 AM > Your favorite fishing stream is in > danger of being lost. > > > Federal Power Grab: Clean Water Restoration Act; CWRA; > Federal control of > all water, even ponds > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdg_bidvbwU&feature=player_embedded > > Inhofe Says Democrats Water Bill Biggest Bureaucratic Power > Grab in a > Generation > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9IT5sz2aQY&NR=1 > > The Great Water Heist > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqHaUadsapc > > The Great Water Heist- Part 2 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK2jNERXiDQ&feature=related > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
RE: [VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related
Jimi Please stop sending these messages out. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada > -Original Message- > From: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Desert Eagle > Sent: March 11, 2010 6:37 AM > To: VFB > Subject: [VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related > > Your favorite fishing stream is in danger of being lost. > > > Federal Power Grab: Clean Water Restoration Act; CWRA; > Federal control of > all water, even ponds > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdg_bidvbwU&feature=player_embedded > > Inhofe Says Democrats Water Bill Biggest Bureaucratic Power Grab in a > Generation > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9IT5sz2aQY&NR=1 > > The Great Water Heist > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqHaUadsapc > > The Great Water Heist- Part 2 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK2jNERXiDQ&feature=related > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > "VFB Mail" group. > > To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en > > VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] 100% Fly Fishing Related
Your favorite fishing stream is in danger of being lost. Federal Power Grab: Clean Water Restoration Act; CWRA; Federal control of all water, even ponds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdg_bidvbwU&feature=player_embedded Inhofe Says Democrats Water Bill Biggest Bureaucratic Power Grab in a Generation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9IT5sz2aQY&NR=1 The Great Water Heist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqHaUadsapc The Great Water Heist- Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK2jNERXiDQ&feature=related -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VFB Mail" group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
