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I'm using Firefox on a Mac.

On Nov 10, 2005, at 10:20 PM, t.whid wrote:

> what is the browser/OS you're using?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

There was a whole discussion on here about putting an .mp4 file in a 
.mov

Would I just now re-export the .mp4 with QT Pro to give it a .mov 
extension...

On Nov 10, 2005, at 10:42 PM, wtrainbow wrote:

> This is a function of your browser.  Usually under preferences 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

2005-11-11 Thread Michael Sullivan




essentially, that is often the case with a mov files mp4 wrappers.but, you might consider taking advantage of the quicktime browser plugin if you are concerned about playback experience... you can do a popup window with the video embedded.
i know vb.info has tutorials and also you could try out http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/sull
On 11/11/05, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
There was a whole discussion on here about putting an .mp4 file in a.movWould I just now re-export the .mp4 with QT Pro to give it a .movextension...On Nov 10, 2005, at 10:42 PM, wtrainbow wrote:
> This is a function of your browser.  Usually under preferences> (Firefox, Explorer) you can> select a helper application to handle different file (MIME) types> (e.g. I can set an .mp3 to> open and play in iTunes). The default for .mp4 is the Quicktime player.
>> http://www.tiny-tube.com>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: Why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime, instead of playing the>> video>> in a new browser window? POST>> <
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

the kinberg link just recreated the .mp4 link

the embed help page link on http://www.videoblogging.info/archives/code-generator-for-embedding-media/ is broken

http://videobloggers.org/embedmedia goes no where

On Nov 11, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

essentially, that is often the case with a mov files mp4 wrappers.

but, you might consider taking advantage of the quicktime browser plugin if you are concerned about playback experience... you can do a popup window with the video embedded. 
i know vb.info has tutorials and also you could try out http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/

sull

On 11/11/05, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
.mov

Would I just now re-export the .mp4 with QT Pro to give it a .mov
extension...

On Nov 10, 2005, at 10:42 PM, wtrainbow wrote:

> This is a function of your browser.  Usually under preferences
> (Firefox, Explorer) you can
> select a helper application to handle different file (MIME) types
> (e.g. I can set an .mp3 to
> open and play in iTunes). The default for .mp4 is the Quicktime player. 
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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>> Why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime, instead of playing the
>> video
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>> < http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2005/11/video-umass-video-blogging-
>> class.html>
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>> VIDEO
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>> Something to do with a host setting?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

2005-11-11 Thread Michael Sullivan




it creates the embed code, but looks like their is a bug because i got an internal server error when trying to preview.  Josh?
http://clips1.vimeo.com/video_files/2005/11/10/vimeo.26227.mp4" title="test" rel="enclosure"  href="">
http://www.joshkinberg.com/popup.php?url=''video','width=350,height=286,top=20,left=20,scrollbars=no,resizable=no,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,status=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" >test
On 11/11/05, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the kinberg link just recreated the .mp4 linkthe embed help page link onhttp://www.videoblogging.info/archives/code-generator-for-embedding-
media/ is brokenhttp://videobloggers.org/embedmedia goes no whereOn Nov 11, 2005, at 8:26 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:>  essentially, that is often the case with a mov files mp4 wrappers.
>> but, you might consider taking advantage of the quicktime browser> plugin if you are concerned about playback experience... you can do a> popup window with the video embedded.> i know 
vb.info has tutorials and also you could try out> http://joshkinberg.com/popupmaker/>> sull>>  On 11/11/05, Steve Garfield <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> .mov Would I just now re-export the .mp4 with QT Pro to give it a .mov>> extension...>>
>> On Nov 10, 2005, at 10:42 PM, wtrainbow wrote: > This is a function of your browser.Usually under preferences>> > (Firefox, Explorer) you can>> > select a helper application to handle different file (MIME) types
>> > (e.g. I can set an .mp3 to>> > open and play in iTunes). The default for .mp4 is the Quicktime>> player.>> >>> > http://www.tiny-tube.com
>> >>> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>>  > wrote:>>  >> Why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime, instead of playing the
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[videoblogging] Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread Brett Gaylor

Anyone with Apple's ear ought to push them towards creating an
interface within iTunes where users can leave comments.  I've seen a
lot of my subscribers coming from iTunes, about 1/4, but there isn't
any way for them to interact with my or my site.  It's kind of a
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: who sends the most emails to this group?

Hooray! I win!

(As I add another one.)

Actually, I think I should be more ashamed than proud...
>>>
>>>Tisk...

 > Yeah I wouldn't necesarily be proud...maybe just try to make is more
 > signal to noise...


Naw, I think I'll just quit posting instead...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

that's when clicking on the image

try clicking the text below the image


On Nov 11, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  it creates the embed code, but looks like their is a bug because i  
> got an internal server error when trying to preview.  Josh?
>
> http://clips1.vimeo.com/video_files/2005/11/10/vimeo.26227.mp4";  
> title="test" rel="enclosure" onclick="window.open('  
> http://www.joshkinberg.com/popup.php? 
> url='+this.href,'video','width=350,height=286,top=20,left=20,scrollbars 
> =no,resizable=no,toolbar=no,directories=no,location=no,menubar=no,statu 
> s=yes,left=0,top=0');return false" >test
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[videoblogging] Re: Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread petertheman

That's why both ANT and Mefeedia show a comment link to the permalink
of the post, so you can get comments on your blog.. Apple really
doesn't care about videoblogging, they just see this is "free" content..

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> Anyone with Apple's ear ought to push them towards creating an
> interface within iTunes where users can leave comments.  I've seen a
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> any way for them to interact with my or my site.  It's kind of a
> shame.
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[videoblogging] Re: Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread Bill Streeter

You can always add a title card to your videos that invites people 
to the site to comment. I've been thinking of doing this, and I've 
seen Crash Test Kitchen doing this too. It would be nice for Apple 
to include this type of interaction into iTunes but I'm not holding 
my breath for it. There are a lot of other issues that they would 
need to address first. 

Bill Streeter
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> shame.
>

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread Markus Sandy







yeah, but they have great thumbs ;)

petertheman wrote:

  That's why both ANT and Mefeedia show a comment link to the permalink
of the post, so you can get comments on your blog.. Apple really
doesn't care about videoblogging, they just see this is "free" content..

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any way for them to interact with my or my site.  It's kind of a
shame.


  
  





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Re: [videoblogging] Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread Markus Sandy

and an OPML importer too


Brett Gaylor wrote:

>Anyone with Apple's ear ought to push them towards creating an
>interface within iTunes where users can leave comments.  I've seen a
>lot of my subscribers coming from iTunes, about 1/4, but there isn't
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>shame.
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Re: [videoblogging] why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

Hey everybody.

I just figured out a better way to do this.

 From QuickTime Pro, you choose to export as a MOV, but hten click on 
the options to use the MPEG-4 Compression type.  This puts the mp4 file 
in a mov wrapper.  That keeps you from having problems playing the mp4 
file type.  More details on this later...

I should have thought about this soon.

It's such a simple solution.

Hope it helps others...

On Nov 10, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Steve Garfield wrote:

> Why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime, instead of playing the video
> in a new browser window?
>
> POST
>  class.html>
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> VIDEO
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> Something to do with a host setting?
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Re: [videoblogging] New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

2005-11-11 Thread Lynn Lane



That's really amazing actually. I wonder how they will sort through all that is out there to find who they will consider for awards. LynnLynn LaneCoal River Pictures/SKILLZ DVD Magazinewebsite: www.CoalRiverPictures.comemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]vlog: http://docmaker.blogspot.comfeed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/docmakerComing Soon:www.Vlogumentarian.comwww.VlogReporter.comAIVF/IDARing 8 MemberNYC On Nov 10, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Seiden wrote: The National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, best known for handing out the Daytime Emmy Awards, is expected to announce on Tuesday that it has created an award category to recognize original video content for computers, cellphones and other hand-held devices, like the video iPod and PlayStation Portable.  See NYT: http://tinyurl.com/95zzn (free registration req'd)   JS -- http://more3.blogspot.com    YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. 

  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

2005-11-11 Thread Paul Knight

oooh that sounds tasty.
On 11 Nov 2005, at 16:32, Lynn Lane wrote:

That's really amazing actually. I wonder how they will sort through all that is out there to find who they will consider for awards.

Lynn

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On Nov 10, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Joshua Seiden wrote:

The National Academy of Television Arts and Sciences, best known for handing out the Daytime Emmy Awards, is expected to announce on Tuesday that it has created an award category to recognize original video content for computers, cellphones and other hand-held devices, like the video iPod and PlayStation Portable.
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Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog

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It's worth a laugh and work friendly.

[videoblogging] Teaching An Ex-Hollywood CameraMan 2 Vlog

2005-11-11 Thread Jack Olmsted




Yesterday, when my scheduled interview was a no-show, I turned the digital8 on retired Hollywood cameraman Gene Talvin .  Gene worked with Spielberg  and Scorsese.(Watch Video After our little shoot, I helped him set-up a video blog at the Jefferson County WSU  computer lab that is in the process of being converted into a digital video production studio.Are there retired Hollywood people in your community? I'm interested in their stories and encouraging them to get involved in video blogging.


  




  
  
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[videoblogging] Re: why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

Well the vast majority have been creating mpeg4 in a .mov file all
along, either because its what they knew, or because they wanted to
take advantage of things .mov can do that .mp4 cant, or because they
use 3ivx which only lets you save as .movs anyway.

If you already have .mp4 or .m4v files, you can save them as
self-contained .mov files in quicktime without it re-encoding the
audio or video.

If you want to do the opposite, and turn mpeg4 .movs into .mp4 files,
load the mov into quicktime, export to mpeg4 but select 'pass-throguh'
for both video & audio, to avoid reencoding.

I dont support this because I like the ability of PC users to watch
.mp4 files with software other than quicktime. But right now theres no
decent browser plugin for .mp4 other than quicktime anyway, and lots
of PC users dont ahve alternative .mp4 players right now. But as mpeg4
devices and software proliferate, the advantages of .mp4 rather than
.mov from a viewers point of view will increase, si I will return to
ranting about this issue when the balance becomes more compelling.

And finally, if you want to use h264 .movs and be ipod compatible, you
must export to .mp4 (with main unticked and baseline ticked) or .m4v
first using quicktime. Then load that file into quicktime and save as
a self-contained .mov. This ensures h264 idpod compatibility (if you
do h264 straight to mov in quicktime it will be main profile and thus
not ipod compatible). This factor only affects h264.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey everybody.
> 
> I just figured out a better way to do this.
> 
>  From QuickTime Pro, you choose to export as a MOV, but hten click on 
> the options to use the MPEG-4 Compression type.  This puts the mp4 file 
> in a mov wrapper.  That keeps you from having problems playing the mp4 
> file type.  More details on this later...
> 
> I should have thought about this soon.
> 
> It's such a simple solution.
> 
> Hope it helps others...
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Steve Garfield wrote:
> 
> > Why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime, instead of playing the
video
> > in a new browser window?
> >
> > POST
> >  > class.html>
> >
> > VIDEO
> > 
> >
> > Something to do with a host setting?
> > --Steve
> > -- 
> > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com
> > Video Blog  - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com
> > Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com
> >
> > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> --Steve
> -- 
> Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com
> Video Blog  - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com
> Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com
> 
> Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution.
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[videoblogging] Re: why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime

To answer your original point, its definately vimeo's server mimetype
thats causing the behaviour. On a properly configured server the .mp4
will behave the same way as .mov when you click on it. Im using the
same browser & OS as you and .mp4s that are on other servers work fine.

Vimeo probably didnt notice themselves because their pages use code to
embed the file in quicktime player on the browser, rather than just a
direct link to the .mp4, and that is another workaround for the
problem you experienced.

My preiosu message had an error when I said 'I dont support this' - I
was referring to people using mpeg4 in a mov, I prefer .mp4, but am
willing to concede the reasons arent compelling enough for most yet.

Steve of Elbows
 
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well the vast majority have been creating mpeg4 in a .mov file all
> along, either because its what they knew, or because they wanted to
> take advantage of things .mov can do that .mp4 cant, or because they
> use 3ivx which only lets you save as .movs anyway.
> 
> If you already have .mp4 or .m4v files, you can save them as
> self-contained .mov files in quicktime without it re-encoding the
> audio or video.
> 
> If you want to do the opposite, and turn mpeg4 .movs into .mp4 files,
> load the mov into quicktime, export to mpeg4 but select 'pass-throguh'
> for both video & audio, to avoid reencoding.
> 
> I dont support this because I like the ability of PC users to watch
> .mp4 files with software other than quicktime. But right now theres no
> decent browser plugin for .mp4 other than quicktime anyway, and lots
> of PC users dont ahve alternative .mp4 players right now. But as mpeg4
> devices and software proliferate, the advantages of .mp4 rather than
> .mov from a viewers point of view will increase, si I will return to
> ranting about this issue when the balance becomes more compelling.
> 
> And finally, if you want to use h264 .movs and be ipod compatible, you
> must export to .mp4 (with main unticked and baseline ticked) or .m4v
> first using quicktime. Then load that file into quicktime and save as
> a self-contained .mov. This ensures h264 idpod compatibility (if you
> do h264 straight to mov in quicktime it will be main profile and thus
> not ipod compatible). This factor only affects h264.
> 
> Steve of Elbows
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everybody.
> > 
> > I just figured out a better way to do this.
> > 
> >  From QuickTime Pro, you choose to export as a MOV, but hten click on 
> > the options to use the MPEG-4 Compression type.  This puts the mp4
file 
> > in a mov wrapper.  That keeps you from having problems playing the
mp4 
> > file type.  More details on this later...
> > 
> > I should have thought about this soon.
> > 
> > It's such a simple solution.
> > 
> > Hope it helps others...
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 10, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Steve Garfield wrote:
> > 
> > > Why does an .mp4 ask to open up QuickTime, instead of playing the
> video
> > > in a new browser window?
> > >
> > > POST
> > >
 > > class.html>
> > >
> > > VIDEO
> > > 
> > >
> > > Something to do with a host setting?
> > > --Steve
> > > -- 
> > > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com
> > > Video Blog  - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com
> > > Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > --Steve
> > -- 
> > Home Page - http://stevegarfield.com
> > Video Blog  - http://stevegarfield.blogs.com
> > Text Blog - http://offonatangent.blogspot.com
> > 
> > Like Paul Revere, leading the citizen's media revolution.
> >
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[videoblogging] Re: who sends the most emails to this group?

Well thats an entirely understandable human reaction to people saying
that sort of thing. I do not support people making proclamations of
either what is worthy of talking about, or frequency of posts, and
this isnt just because I happen to talk a lot. 

I mean clearly there is a limit, if I posted 50 messages every day
about everything and rambled loads more than I already do, of if I
went unhinged and had a long manic episode then someone would need to
step in and ask me to chill. But nobody has gone that silly so far,
and if there are a few cases then likely they got reprimanded because
of the contents of what they were saying which was also out of line,
not just the frequency of posting.

I truly hope you dont quit posting, it should be your choice whether
you post and everyone elses choice whether they read it or not.

I wave a finger of woe at those who would start making judgements on
what is deemed quality enough for other humans to post. Dont start me
off on that one, or I'll apply the same logic to the question of 'what
comments are worth leaving on someones blog' and remember the time I
saw Josh Leo post a comment for someone that asked how come his site
wasnt linked to in their sidebar. 

Steve of Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> Naw, I think I'll just quit posting instead...
> 
> Pete
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[videoblogging] Re: Compression techniques - file size ratios

2005-11-11 Thread wazman_au

Umm... that wasn't actually my question. I know it's MP4 (I used it 
for quite a while) but is it a unique codec i.e. a unique method of 
compression, or does it just give access to additional settings?

But anyway ...

Waz
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> And yes 3vix is MP4 and more importantly iPod compatible. I've 
seen 
> my movies encoded with 3vix played back on iPods so I'm pretty 
> confident that anything that will play MP4s will play a movie 
> encoded with 3vix.
> 
> 
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> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "wazman_au" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think there's little point in holding out against QT7 and 
H.264. 
> > If people are prompted to install it to watch a vid, most people 
> > WILL install it. And it's out for both Mac and Windows.
> > 
> > The advantages of H.264 in quality and compression are pretty 
> > compelling. I've posted compression settings elsewhere on this 
> list 
> > that achieve about 1.5-2MB/minute in H.264 and the result is a 
> very 
> > watchable video ... superior to anything I could achieve with 
the 
> > still-admirable 3ivx. Contact me off-list if you want my 
settings.
> > 
> > So far I've only had one person complain about not being able to 
> > watch because he/she can't install QT7.
> > 
> > Another thing I've been wondering ... is 3ivx _really_ a unique 
> > codec, or is it just a plugin that gives access to MPEG4 
settings 
> > that QT and other programs normally don't let you tweak? The 
> reason 
> > I ask is that a viewer doesn't have to install a 3ivx codec to 
> watch 
> > it.
> > 
> > Waz
> > www.crashtestkitchen.com
> > 
> > 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Michael Ridley 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm not sure about your compression figuers, but QT7 is now 
> > available for
> > > Windows. Also vlc (http://www.videolan.org) has experimental 
> > support for
> > > H.264 although I guess that's not really ready for prime time 
by 
> > definition.
> > > 
> > > -m
> > > 
> > > On 11/9/05, Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  After numerous attempts of trying different compression 
> > settings an
> > > > codecs - I ended up
> > > > with a with a 19.8 mb file that was 5 minutes long. This 
works 
> > out to
> > > > about 4mb/minute. I
> > > > was wondering if this is a common size for a file this long? 
> Is 
> > there any
> > > > stats out there on
> > > > what kind of compression ratios vodcasters are using?
> > > >
> > > > My final version was compressed using 3ivx - dual pass. I 
had 
> > orginally
> > > > had the size down to
> > > > 11 mb using h.264 with the same quality but I discovered 
that 
> > only QT 7
> > > > could play this -
> > > > which ruled out a lot users.
> > > >
> > > > BTW - any windows users that couldn't see the inaugural 
> version 
> > of tiny
> > > > tube because of the
> > > > QT7 can now view it.
> > > >
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[videoblogging] Re: Compression techniques - file size ratios

3ivx has its own encoder, and indeed its own decoder. So whilst it can
be a quicktime plugin, it isnt making use of Apples own mpeg4
encoding/decoding routines.

Because it creates compliant mpeg4, other decoders can be used to play
it back, including appls Quicktime one.

With QT6 if you install 3ivx, it uses its own decoder for playing
mpeg4, and this was apparently a bit better than Apples, maybe a bit
faster. But there are reports that the 3ivx decoder doesnt work right
on QT7, or is disabled, Ive seen conflicting info. 

Anyway the short answer was no, it doesnt just access additional
settings that effect encoding, it is an encoder in its own right. On
Windows you dont have to use it with quicktime at all.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "wazman_au" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Umm... that wasn't actually my question. I know it's MP4 (I used it 
> for quite a while) but is it a unique codec i.e. a unique method of 
> compression, or does it just give access to additional settings?
> 
> But anyway ...
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: who sends the most emails to this group?

On 11/10/05, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah I wouldn't necesarily be proud...maybe just try to make is more
> signal to noise...
>

 There may be alot of noise here, but I'm not sure these statistics
necessarily speak to it.  It may to some degree ... but I dont think
its fair to equate large number of posts = poor quality posts.

It may be considered by some:
  large number of posts = large number of attempts to help / answer questions.

Unfortunately I doubt google lets you sort / count on actual noise.  :-P

... I dont think I send too much 'noise' ...

/shrug

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: who sends the most emails to this group?

2005-11-11 Thread Josh Leo

hey gang, I am in no way saying that what Pete should stop posting, but
if he feels like he is posting things that don't matter then he shoud
try to eliminate those things. what is "list worthy" is purely up to
the person writing the post...of course in my personal opinion e-mails
that say things only things such as "cool" "that stinks" should be
eliminated...

I am just saying that since every email is sent to a lot of people's
inboxes, that we should ask ourselves "does this really serve the
thread? does this contribute to the conversation? etc...if you can look
back on your emails and say "man i sure do write a lot of shit to the
list" then maybe you can also hold yourself back from posting that
"shit" but if you look at your writing and say "yeah that is what i
meant, that is good, that is helpful, then go for it and keep posting
your heart out"

personal decisions, no judgement calls on Pete's or anyone elses posts...

On 11/11/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well thats an entirely understandable human reaction to people sayingthat sort of thing. I do not support people making proclamations ofeither what is worthy of talking about, or frequency of posts, andthis isnt just because I happen to talk a lot.
I mean clearly there is a limit, if I posted 50 messages every dayabout everything and rambled loads more than I already do, of if Iwent unhinged and had a long manic episode then someone would need to
step in and ask me to chill. But nobody has gone that silly so far,and if there are a few cases then likely they got reprimanded becauseof the contents of what they were saying which was also out of line,not just the frequency of posting.
I truly hope you dont quit posting, it should be your choice whetheryou post and everyone elses choice whether they read it or not.I wave a finger of woe at those who would start making judgements on
what is deemed quality enough for other humans to post. Dont start meoff on that one, or I'll apply the same logic to the question of 'whatcomments are worth leaving on someones blog' and remember the time Isaw Josh Leo post a comment for someone that asked how come his site
wasnt linked to in their sidebar.Steve of Elbows--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>> Naw, I think I'll just quit posting instead...
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: who sends the most emails to this group?

2005-11-11 Thread Josh Leo




sorry for the bad punctuation and grammari need to proofread.

and now the question goes through my head..."is this email noise?"
On 11/11/05, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
hey gang, I am in no way saying that what Pete should stop posting, but
if he feels like he is posting things that don't matter then he shoud
try to eliminate those things. what is "list worthy" is purely up to
the person writing the post...of course in my personal opinion e-mails
that say things only things such as "cool" "that stinks" should be
eliminated...

I am just saying that since every email is sent to a lot of people's
inboxes, that we should ask ourselves "does this really serve the
thread? does this contribute to the conversation? etc...if you can look
back on your emails and say "man i sure do write a lot of shit to the
list" then maybe you can also hold yourself back from posting that
"shit" but if you look at your writing and say "yeah that is what i
meant, that is good, that is helpful, then go for it and keep posting
your heart out"

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: who sends the most emails to this group?

Josh Leo wrote:
> On 11/11/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Well thats an entirely understandable human reaction to people saying
>>that sort of thing. I do not support people making proclamations of
>>either what is worthy of talking about, or frequency of posts, and
>>this isnt just because I happen to talk a lot.

>>I truly hope you dont quit posting, it should be your choice whether
>>you post and everyone elses choice whether they read it or not.

Pete wrote:
 >>>
 >>>Naw, I think I'll just quit posting instead...
 >>>

 > hey gang, I am in no way saying that what Pete should stop posting,
 > but if he feels like he is posting things that don't matter then
 > he shoud try to eliminate those things. what is "list worthy" is
 > purely up to the person writing the post...of course in my personal
 > opinion e-mails that say things only things such as "cool" "that
 > stinks" should be eliminated...
 > I am just saying that since every
 > email is sent to a lot of people's inboxes, that we should ask
 > ourselves "does this really serve the thread? does this contribute
 > to the conversation? etc...if you can look back on your emails and
 > say "man i sure do write a lot of shit to the list" then maybe
 > you can also hold yourself back from posting that "shit" but if
 > you look at your writing and say "yeah that is what i meant,
 > that is good, that is helpful, then go for it and keep posting
 > your heart out"

Ok, I stopped posting. Of course now I'm going to start again...

I read through my recent posts, and I feel that they have been a good 
mix of helpful information, responses & opinions, and occasionally 
something that's more of a humorous comment on something. I can stop my 
attempts at humorous responses if desired.

I did notice that I start very few threads. I tend to reply to things 
other people have said. Honestly I don't have a lot of questions about 
videoblogging right now, as I feel like I know what I'm doing to some 
degree, and I rarely plug my own stuff (except in my sig) and tend to 
point to other URLs I think will answer questions or provide information.

If the list mom wanted to throw me out of here, then I'd think much more 
carefully about what I've posted... If it's just a matter of trying to 
deal with your inbox, well, we all know that pain, so I guess the 
choices are 'deal with it' or unsubscribe?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Compression techniques - file size ratios

Steve Watkins wrote:
> 3ivx has its own encoder, and indeed its own decoder. So whilst it can
> be a quicktime plugin, it isnt making use of Apples own mpeg4
> encoding/decoding routines.
> 
> Because it creates compliant mpeg4, other decoders can be used to play
> it back, including appls Quicktime one.

So are you saying an mpeg4 decoder can decode and playback .mov files 
compressed with 3ivx? And does that explain why .mov files compressed 
with 3ivx work on the iPod?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: who sends the most emails to this group?

2005-11-11 Thread Adam Quirk

It's like deja vu, except deja vu usually only happens to me a few times a year.  I've seen this thread a couple dozen times now.Hint: Use my friend, "Mark as read".Beep beep click click clang whirrr fizz pop sha-bang!
(noise)On 11/11/05, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Josh Leo wrote:
> On 11/11/05, Steve Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>Well thats an entirely understandable human reaction to people saying
>>that sort of thing. I do not support people making proclamations of
>>either what is worthy of talking about, or frequency of posts, and
>>this isnt just because I happen to talk a lot.

>>I truly hope you dont quit posting, it should be your choice whether
>>you post and everyone elses choice whether they read it or not.

Pete wrote:
 >>>
 >>>Naw, I think I'll just quit posting instead...
 >>>

 > hey gang, I am in no way saying that what Pete should stop posting,
 > but if he feels like he is posting things that don't matter then
 > he shoud try to eliminate those things. what is "list worthy" is
 > purely up to the person writing the post...of course in my personal
 > opinion e-mails that say things only things such as "cool" "that
 > stinks" should be eliminated...
 > I am just saying that since every
 > email is sent to a lot of people's inboxes, that we should ask
 > ourselves "does this really serve the thread? does this contribute
 > to the conversation? etc...if you can look back on your emails and
 > say "man i sure do write a lot of shit to the list" then maybe
 > you can also hold yourself back from posting that "shit" but if
 > you look at your writing and say "yeah that is what i meant,
 > that is good, that is helpful, then go for it and keep posting
 > your heart out"

Ok, I stopped posting. Of course now I'm going to start again...

I read through my recent posts, and I feel that they have been a good 
mix of helpful information, responses & opinions, and occasionally 
something that's more of a humorous comment on something. I can stop my 
attempts at humorous responses if desired.

I did notice that I start very few threads. I tend to reply to things 
other people have said. Honestly I don't have a lot of questions about 
videoblogging right now, as I feel like I know what I'm doing to some 
degree, and I rarely plug my own stuff (except in my sig) and tend to 
point to other URLs I think will answer questions or provide information.

If the list mom wanted to throw me out of here, then I'd think much more 
carefully about what I've posted... If it's just a matter of trying to 
deal with your inbox, well, we all know that pain, so I guess the 
choices are 'deal with it' or unsubscribe?

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[videoblogging] Re: Compression techniques - file size ratios

Yes, thats it, thats exactly why most 3ivx files will play on the
ipod, because 3ivx is an encoder that creates standard mpeg4 video.

It is possible to create 3ivx files that wont play on the ipod,
because it is possible to create mpeg4 files that wont play on the
ipod (or eg if you use a audio format other than AAC), but most
peoples will work just fine.

This stuff ties in to why I cheer for .mp4 not .mov though. The ipod
only supports .mov because its also apple, wheras most mpeg4 devices
will want .mp4 files and the same is true of some software mpeg4
players, especially on the PC. 

3ivx-encoded .movs are widely compatible, but 3ivx-encoded .mp4 files
are even more device/future-proof. .mov requires one specific company
to keep it alive, not so of .mp4.

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Re: [videoblogging] New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

2005-11-11 Thread Jay dedman

>  That's really amazing actually. I wonder how they will sort through all
> that is out there to find who they will consider for awards.

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Re: [videoblogging] New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

2005-11-11 Thread Josh Leo




i have a pretty strong feeling that it wil be the content that pixar
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Compression techniques - file size ratios

Steve Watkins wrote:
> 
> This stuff ties in to why I cheer for .mp4 not .mov though. 

What difference will we see between using an .mp4 versus an mpeg4 in a 
.mov wrapper? I don't care as much about all the fancy stuff of 
QuickTime, I'm just after the playing while still download ('Fast 
Start') which is what I had thought the .mov file gives you...

You lose this feature by using straight .mp4 files, right?

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[videoblogging] Re: Compression techniques - file size ratios

You will notice almost no difference in filesize, maybe a few k, but
the audio and video are taking up the same space with either.

Fast start (progressive download) does work with mpeg4. For a while
some thought it didnt, but mostly it does. I appealed recently for
anybody who could remember how to make a mpeg4 that doesnt fast-start,
because all the ones Ive got do fast-start. This includes .m4v's made
by qt7.0.3 ipod export, though I prefer to rename them to .mp4 to
avoid having yet anothr mimetype issue to deal with.

Where fast-start certainly doesnt work is on Internet Explorer (Ive
only tried PC vversion). If you dont embed code to make the video to
launch with a specific player within the page (ie if you just link to
the video file directly), then you wont get a progressive download, IE
aits till the whole file has downloaded before quicktime appears in
the browser to play it. But this happens with both .mov's and .mp4's,
so Im drifting offtopic, but its probably the number one reason some
sites dont end up giving all their users a fast-start experience right
now.

Steve of Elbows

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> .mov wrapper? I don't care as much about all the fancy stuff of 
> QuickTime, I'm just after the playing while still download ('Fast 
> Start') which is what I had thought the .mov file gives you...
> 
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[videoblogging] Re: Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread wazman_au

That's right Bill, and the key thing is that the "card" is 
clickable. Someone watching in iTunes or another aggregator can 
actually click on the movie and it opens a browser window and takes 
them to the corresponding post at the blog.

But this little treat of interactivity is only for people who use 
the QuickTime (.mov) format.

If anyone wants to find out how to do likewise, I offer a starter 
kit and lifetime support for a one-off price ... no, actually, just 
e-mail me offlist and I'll run you through it.

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> You can always add a title card to your videos that invites people 
> to the site to comment. I've been thinking of doing this, and I've 
> seen Crash Test Kitchen doing this too. It would be nice for Apple 
> to include this type of interaction into iTunes but I'm not 
holding 
> my breath for it. There are a lot of other issues that they would 
> need to address first. 
> 
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> > Anyone with Apple's ear ought to push them towards creating an
> > interface within iTunes where users can leave comments.  I've 
seen 
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> > lot of my subscribers coming from iTunes, about 1/4, but there 
> isn't
> > any way for them to interact with my or my site.  It's kind of a
> > shame.
> >
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[videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread Adam Quirk




Does anyone know how to approximate subscribers like Feedburner does?I assume it counts each time a unique IP address accesses the feed.Anyone know how to do that with a raw log file?I use AW Stats, and there no way to determine who is accessing what from their interface.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread Brett Gaylor

On 11/11/05, wazman_au <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's right Bill, and the key thing is that the "card" is
> clickable. Someone watching in iTunes or another aggregator can
> actually click on the movie and it opens a browser window and takes
> them to the corresponding post at the blog.

I think this is huge.  I'm sure we've all known that this is possible,
but as our videos start finding themselves on all kinds of weird
places because of RSS, I think we ought to really start making this a
fundamental part of the videoblogging process, as engrained as talking
a snapshot of the player a hotlink or remembering to put
rel="enclosure" into your anchor tags.  I know it only works for
quicktime users, but if it becomes an ubiqutous practice, maybe other
formats will begin to pick up on it.

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Re: [videoblogging] Sony adding root kit spyware hacker tools to your computer (no joke!)

2005-11-11 Thread Markus Sandy







interesting fallout:

a friend who works for a major networking company indicated that IT has
sent out a corporate wide alert directing employees not to insert music
CD's into company computers because of this

this won't do much for CD sales


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no more WEGA televisions or Sony electronics of any kind.

  
  
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[videoblogging] Beyond spread firefox: Explorer Destroyer!

2005-11-11 Thread Brett Gaylor

Those wacky downhill battle kids are at it again.

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Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread Randolfe Wicker






I would like to know how many views a beginning 
vlogger might get?  How many views would indicate a vlogger building 
readership after 6 or 10 vlogs?
 
I know I view certain vlogs because I have come to 
know and like other vlogs by that person.  I am rarely 
disappointed.
 
I know vlogging regularly is important.  
However, someone in the Blip TV chat room said "comments" were the best thing 
for building traffic.
 
How important is it to be in the aggregators?  
In how many?  In what order of importance?
 
Finally, I don't understand why I would get nearly 
150 views for my latest vlog "Waging War on Death" and only one legit comment 
and one piece of spam.
 
And to add to this laundry list of questions, how 
do you delete spam postings?
 

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  Does anyone know how to approximate subscribers like Feedburner 
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[videoblogging] Re: Sony adding root kit spyware hacker tools to your computer (no joke!)

Yeah since the sony DRM dodgy PC software issue got discussed here,
things have gotte much worse for Sony, lots of bad press and now
several viruses that take advantage of the Sony stealth thing.
antvirus software is starting to pick the sony DRM stuff as being evil
and remove it.

Lawsuits against Sony over this issue have begun, in more than one
country if I read correctly.

I really see this instance as 2 seperate issues. Theres the issue over
the legitimacy of DRM stuff in general, obviously plenty of people
hate the idea of it.

Then there is the actual implementation, which Sony have messed up.
They chose a company whose technology was flawed and now they suffer
the bad press. I believe the company that actually made this such a
stinky one for Sony (by writing poor DRM code) are based in the UK,
Wales to be precise.

Anyway the fuss is only triggered and sustained because of this
implementation of DRM, not the concept of DRM. Itunes has DRM stuff
built into it, but it doesnt generate the same press because they have
got the balance between security and messing up your computer right.

Steve of Elbows

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> interesting fallout:
> 
> a friend who works for a major networking company indicated that IT has 
> sent out a corporate wide alert directing employees not to insert music 
> CD's into company computers because of this
> 
> this won't do much for CD sales
> 
> 
> Jay dedman wrote:
> 
> >>http://www.cnet.com/4520-6033_1-6376177.html?tag=nl.e501
> >>I for one am boycotting anything by Sony: no more Vegas, no more CDs,
> >>no more WEGA televisions or Sony electronics of any kind.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >take a look at the original blog post that found the Sony spyware:
>
>http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/sony-rootkits-and-digital-rights.html
> >
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[videoblogging] Single emails versus batch delivery?

2005-11-11 Thread Randolfe Wicker






I find I have to make certain choices in 
life.  One of them involves how much time I want to spend reading this 
list.  Before I got my computer and started vlogging, I was reading here 
three to six hours daily, building my own reference files, following links and 
learning quite a bit.
 
Then, I decided to take the "easy way out" and have 
the emails delivered in batches.  However, I found that I would skip 
opening batches even though I did find things of interest among the "noise" when 
I did so.
 
Actually, I went back to getting individual emails 
recently.  I find I read more--and read more selectively due to time 
limitations.
 
There has been a lot of talk about who posts the 
most.  I find that I know the posters I find valuable to read and the ones 
which are generally not that useful.
 
 
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Re: [videoblogging] Beyond spread firefox: Explorer Destroyer!

This is an interesting scenario. Its because Google is paying $1 for  
every person you can get to install Firefox. Thats a pretty hefty sum  
it seems:
http://explorerdestroyer.com/

Put a click thru on your site for Firefox, get a $1 for each install.

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[videoblogging] Elevator Pitch Series: Reddit Community News Founders

I've been doing a series of "elevator speech" vlog posts of start up
technology companys.  This one is from the founders of Reddit:
http://beth.typepad.com/beths_blog/2005/11/reddit_yet_cute.html


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[videoblogging] Revenge of the Female Nerds

Last night, I attended a fabulous talk by Annalee Newitz, contributing
editor of Wired, on the topic of "Revenge of the Female Nerds:  Busting
media and industry myths  about why women can't be technical" at Harvard
Law School.   Here's a write up and a vlog post clip of her busting one
of the myths:
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[videoblogging] Re: Lobby iTunes to make comments!

2005-11-11 Thread wazman_au

OK, well, here's how to do what I do. Create a document in a simple
text editor like Notepad. Paste in the following code (I don't
understand most of it but it works ... if you use it please choose a
different font and words for yourself ... come on, be a LITTLE BIT
ORIGINAL!!! ;-)

{QTtext}{font:Trebuchet MS}{plain}{size:24}{textColor: 65535, 65535,
65535}{backColor: 0, 0,
0}{justify:center}{timeScale:600}{width:320}{height:240}{timeStamps:absolute}{language:0}{textEncoding:0}
[00:00:00.000]
{textBox: 0, 0, 240, 320}
We want your feedback!
{HREF:}Please click here
to comment on this
video by visiting
www.crashtestkitchen.com{endHREF}
[00:00:05.000]

Replace the crashtestkitchen URL that's in the guts of all that with
where you want the viewer to go when they click (in our case the URL
leads to the relevant blog post and the anchor point for comments).
Then open QuickTime and either import or open this text document
depending on version. It will create a clickable frame that's 320x240
pixels. Of course you can alter the size to suit yourself. You can
simply do a Select All and copy this piece of video, then paste it
onto the beginning/end/wherever of your video. (The video must already
be compressed by the way. If you recompress you'll lose the clickability.)

Then you save the video as a self-contained movie. You should now have
 your original vid with a clickable bit on it. 

This is only scratching the surface of what you can do with these text
descriptors and other interactive QuickTime stuff. I understand
practically none of it but here's a URL:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/tutorials/textdescriptors.html

Hope it helsp someone,

Waz
www.crashtestkitchen.com

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> On 11/11/05, wazman_au <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > That's right Bill, and the key thing is that the "card" is
> > clickable. Someone watching in iTunes or another aggregator can
> > actually click on the movie and it opens a browser window and takes
> > them to the corresponding post at the blog.
> 
> I think this is huge.  I'm sure we've all known that this is possible,
> but as our videos start finding themselves on all kinds of weird
> places because of RSS, I think we ought to really start making this a
> fundamental part of the videoblogging process, as engrained as talking
> a snapshot of the player a hotlink or remembering to put
> rel="enclosure" into your anchor tags.  I know it only works for
> quicktime users, but if it becomes an ubiqutous practice, maybe other
> formats will begin to pick up on it.
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[videoblogging] Re: Playing vlog posts as "songs"

Ive totally failed to find an answer to this yet. Actually Ive failed
to find a video that doesnt play as a song on a latest gen ipod, but
Ive only tried dozens of different ones, not hundreds, so maybe I got
lucky (or unlucky as Imdesperately trying to get one to go wrong lol).

Susan you mentioned that one of RichardShow's didnt show up as a song,
but when I transfered the last 6 of richardshows videos from feed in
itunes, they all showed up on my ipod in the songs list. Could you
point me to a specific video that doesnt work?

Im not sure what Apple really intended as far as this behaviour goes.
Maybe they didnt actually mean for videos to show up in the songs list
at all. Maybe they meant for all vidoes to show up but its a bug that
prevents some working. Until I find one that doesnt work I cant learn
any more about this stuff.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "havilahland33" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Having the ability to either watch a video or listen to it instead
> should be a standard for all videos.  It is a briliant idea, can
> someone make a tutorial about that, or provide instructions as to how
> to encode the files correctly for this option to work, thanks.
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > Hello :)
> > 
> > Thanks, sorry about my wibbling, Ive got some kind of social paranoia
> > problem or something, but this isnt a self-help group so I'll stop
> > waffling about my defects ;)
> > 
> > Aha thanks for the explanation, now I understand. I'll have a look at
> > the issue when I get home from work and hopefully find an answer,
> > there must be an explanation/pattern, looks like diggnation didnt
> > identify the factors correctly.
> > 
> > Steve of Elbows
> > 
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't panic!!  :)  There's hundreds of messages here, and I don't
> > > always keep up.
> > > 
> > > diggnation, and also I have discovered Josh Leo's and a host of
other
> > > video blogs (which, aren't necessarily only m4v's--Josh's are
.mov's)
> > > will play as songs.  What I mean, is on the new video ipod, on the
> > > main screen, you have a "songs" heading and a "videos" heading. 
> > > Obviously you can play videos under "videos."  But most videos also
> > > show up under the "songs" heading, and you can just listen to the
> > > audio from the song and not play the video.
> > > 
> > > This is what I'm trying to make work on my own vlog.
> > > 
> > > I've been trying to do research... it doesn't seem to be m4v
specific.
> > >  Some mov's will play.  A couple of Josh's would play as songs.  One
> > > of RichardShow's would, one wouldn't.  It's really driving me up the
> > > freaking wall.
> > > 
> > > Susan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh please reply :( I spend ages looking at this so I could
advise on
> > > > alternatives to achieve the same thing without having to by
> Quicktime
> > > > 7, but as I can see no behavioural difference between mp4's and
> mv4's
> > > > in itunes or on ipods.
> > > > 
> > > > If everyone has decided Im a pain in the bum and worthy of being
> > > > ignored then please would someone let me know so I can stop
wasting
> > > > mine and others time by posting here.
> > > > 
> > > > Stve of Elbows
> > > > 
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL 
> > > > PROTECTED]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Im fairly confused about this. Could you explain exactly
what your
> > > > > existing video files dont do?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I cannot drag .m4vs to my older non-video ipod, so I dont see a
> > way to
> > > > > listen to them on older ipods. I tried with diggnation, no
> > difference
> > > > > at all.
> > > > > 
> > > > > All videos (mov mp4 m4v) that play in itunes work in playlists
> etc,
> > > > > they dont get skipped over for me under any circumstances.
> > > > > 
> > > > > What do you use to make mp4 files at the moment?
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you go ahead and make .m4vs then often people without
> itunes will
> > > > > have no idea what they are or how to play them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please explain what the diggnation m4v's can do that your mp4's
> > cant,
> > > > > I just spent an hour looking at this stuff and it just doesnt
> add up
> > > > > for me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Steve of Elbows
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi there!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I actually got my question answered on The DV Show podcast!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.thedvshow.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Listen to the most recent podcast episode--my question was the
> > first
> > > > > > thing they talked about.  Pretty interesting all the stuff he
> > found
> > > > > > out.  And it looks like for my post to work, I am going to
> h

Re: [videoblogging] New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

2005-11-11 Thread ryanne hodson

yeah i'im pretty sure they'll over look everyone on this list

On 11/11/05, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  i have a pretty strong feeling that it wil be the content that pixar and
> fox etc are making for itunes etcload of crap if you asked me
>
>
> On 11/11/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > >  That's really amazing actually. I wonder how they will sort through all
> > > that is out there to find who they will consider for awards.
> >
> > connections...and word of mouth.
> >
> > jay
> >
> > --
> > Adventures in Videoblogging
> > http://www.momentshowing.net >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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[videoblogging] ABC videoblogs?

2005-11-11 Thread petertheman

I heard ABC News mention their "videoblogs" (of people quitting
smoking) today on television. I couldn't find them on their site
though.. anyone know where they are?

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[videoblogging] Re: ABC videoblogs?

I guess they mean the section at the bottom right of this page:

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/

They require a signup which Im not gonna do, so are lacking in the
blog-like experience straight-away.

Steve of Elbows

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> I heard ABC News mention their "videoblogs" (of people quitting
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> though.. anyone know where they are?
> 
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[videoblogging] Re: New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

A lot of awards and press releases and stats in general are really
just part of the whole big marketing/adertising/promo game.

It gives the media some 'news' to talk about, and gets the marketing
message plenty of free coverage, but its not real.

It is this kind of stuff that MSM & the status quo and the big players
still have the big advantage in compared to individual content
creators, they dominate most of the methods by which the masses will
learn about what content exists out there. Same sort of thing that
causes some to grumble at what itunes top podcasts etc stats are
doing. I know in the UK a lot of the top podcasts int he stats are DJs
because millions of people already know of them from listening to the
radio.

Its for reasons like this that Im always happy when a non-MSM
videoblogger gets featured by mainstream media (news programs most
often so far) as has been witnessed on various occasions over the last
year. One day if the mainstream are also videoblogging, they could
pretend the independent videobloggers dont really exist :(

I wish there were a few ways for the small independents & individuals
to raise awareness of their existence using mass-media more. Id love a
TV channel that was promo's for all the videoblogs, podcasts, etc that
never get mainstream exposure. I read with interest that a free
channel slot is available on UK terrestrial digital TV, and that the
minimum asking price is £5.5 Million per year (thats about
$9.5Million). Well at that price my dream isnt very realistic, and Im
back to envying countries that have public-access TV, though I guess
they dont always have a 'mass' audience. What kind of audience sizes
do channels like the one Jay does a show on get?

Hmm so anyway I suppose the free publicity is the only reason I would
support videobloggers doing an awards thing of their own, I dont
believe the results mean anything, just gets attention. But I wouldnt
want to leave anyone out, so rather than a top 10 or top 100, Id
rather have a winner every day or something,a nd give absolutely
everyone a turn :D

Steve of Elbows
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, ryanne hodson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yeah i'im pretty sure they'll over look everyone on this list
> 
> On 11/11/05, Josh Leo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  i have a pretty strong feeling that it wil be the content that
pixar and
> > fox etc are making for itunes etcload of crap if you asked me
> >
> >
> > On 11/11/05, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > >  That's really amazing actually. I wonder how they will sort
through all
> > > > that is out there to find who they will consider for awards.
> > >
> > > connections...and word of mouth.
> > >
> > > jay
> > >
> > > --
> > > Adventures in Videoblogging
> > > http://www.momentshowing.net >
> > > 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Josh Leo
> >
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> > stonefarm.blogspot.com
> > joshspicks.blogspot.com
> > wearethemedia.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

I created a system to track / estimate subscribers on my site. I
still consider it testing, but I think it works pretty good. I
dont use log files however.

Rather than parse log files, I wrote a few php functions that are
called each time the feed is acccessed. It then writes (or
updates) a record of the request to the databse. I have another
table of "rules" that the system checks these requests against to
determine how it should record/count the feed request.

You could do this with the raw logs though I would think ... so long as
you have a script that has read access to them. I'd assume you'd
have to read each line in and break it apart with greps.

I like my setup so far because its light weight but really
flexible. You'll probably want some logic other than just
IPs. (I've found that sometimes IP doesnt matter at all,
sometimes its the only thing that really matters.) Having
some table/list of rules lets you apply pretty good logic to whats
recorded and how it's counted; for example some user agents (such as
bloglines) include in their agent string the number of subscribers they
have for your feed. If the user-agent is a known bot, I
dont care what it's IP address is - I set its ip to "Any" (so that it
will match future requests by this bot) and set subscriber count = 0.

I record all sorts of stuff for each request, but the main fields I use
for 'counting' are http-user-agent, ip-address, timestamp, subscriber
count.

I'm still tweaking my system, but I think it's fairly accurate. I
have a link on my site (that only I can see) that I can click to get
all the details of all currently counted subscribers ... and when I go
over it 9 times out of 10 it all looks pretty good. Once in a
while a new bot will pop up or something ... so I just go and adjust
the rules as needed to ensure it's appropriately taken care of.

... not sure if that helps or not ...
- Dave
On 11/11/05, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone know how to approximate subscribers like Feedburner does?I assume it counts each time a unique IP address accesses the feed.Anyone know how to do that with a raw log file?I use AW Stats, and there no way to determine who is accessing what from their interface.
Thanks knowledgebase,Adam

Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

2005-11-11 Thread Adam Quirk

That sounds great. I have no idea how to do any of it, but it sounds perfect.Are you going to release it anytime soon?On 11/11/05, David Meade
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I created a system to track / estimate subscribers on my site. I
still consider it testing, but I think it works pretty good. I
dont use log files however.

You could do this with the raw logs though I would think ... so long as
you have a script that has read access to them. I'd assume you'd
have to read each line in and break it apart with greps.

I record all sorts of stuff for each request, but the main fields I use
for 'counting' are http-user-agent, ip-address, timestamp, subscriber
count.

... not sure if that helps or not ...
- Dave
On 11/11/05, Adam Quirk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[videoblogging] Re: New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

On that theme are there any sites/feeds that feature a different
videoblog every day? Ive long since failed to keep up with all the new
stuff that appears and would like to subscribe to a feed that shows me
a new videoblogger/show every day.

Steve of Elbows

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> rather have a winner every day or something,a nd give absolutely
> everyone a turn :D
> 
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Re: [videoblogging] Elevator Pitch Series: Reddit Community News Founders

2005-11-11 Thread Ted Tagami




I really like this idea...like Business Media instead of a Business CardOn 11/11/05, Beth Kanter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:



I've been doing a series of "elevator speech" vlog posts of start up
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

2005-11-11 Thread Paul Knight

regarding this subject in a kind of ironic sort of way, considering my head is as big as everyone else's in this group, should I wear a tux or t-shirt? lol
On 12 Nov 2005, at 01:34, Steve Watkins wrote:

On that theme are there any sites/feeds that feature a different
 videoblog every day? Ive long since failed to keep up with all the new
 stuff that appears and would like to subscribe to a feed that shows me
 a new videoblogger/show every day.

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 > want to leave anyone out, so rather than a top 10 or top 100, Id
 > rather have a winner every day or something,a nd give absolutely
 > everyone a turn :D
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It's worth a laugh and work friendly.

[videoblogging] Re: New Emmy category includes content from vlogs

How about a video ipod on each nipple showing a range of content from
the vlogosphere?

The well-endowed might consider a PSP-based codpiece.

Steve of Elbows

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>
> regarding this subject in a kind of ironic sort of way, considering my 
> head is as big as everyone else's in this group, should I wear a tux or 
> t-shirt? lol
> On 12 Nov 2005, at 01:34, Steve Watkins wrote:
> 
> > On that theme are there any sites/feeds that feature a different
> >  videoblog every day? Ive long since failed to keep up with all
the new
> >  stuff that appears and would like to subscribe to a feed that
shows me
> >  a new videoblogger/show every day.
> >
> >  Steve of Elbows
> >
> >  --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> >  > want to leave anyone out, so rather than a top 10 or top 100, Id
> >  > rather have a winner every day or something,a nd give absolutely
> >  > everyone a turn :D
> >  >
> >  > Steve of Elbows
> >
> >
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Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

I believe the most obscure statistic that hasnt been mentioned, which is desirable, especially when one has multiple feeds, is an aggregate of the amount of actual video downloads against the number of xml page views against the number of html object views, something I would have to calculate by hand when I'm in the mood (never).The outcome equates with exactly how many people are downloading videos in an aggregator and how many people came to the web site to view the video during any given time integral.Where,x = total number of xml page viewsy = total number of html page views that contain embedded video objectsz = total number of actual video file downloads (with a like-sub-level of complexity in 'attempted/incomplete' file downloads).Any other ideas? My best estimates now rely on looking at the data visually for consistency over time and trying to gauge a raw percent.related notes:+Just because you have a subscriber, does not mean they used an aggregator to retrieve your videos today.+Text subscribers and video subscribers are different breeds - the text subscriber likely hits xml, html and video, where a local video aggregator may only hit xml and video while some incoming links are hot right to the video, with no html or xml.On Nov 11, 2005, at 8:00 PM, David Meade wrote: I created a system to track / estimate subscribers on my site. I still consider it testing, but I think it works pretty good. I dont use log files however. Rather than parse log files, I wrote a few php functions that are called each time the feed is acccessed. It then writes (or updates) a record of the request to the databse. I have another table of "rules" that the system checks these requests against to determine how it should record/count the feed request. You could do this with the raw logs though I would think ... so long as you have a script that has read access to them. I'd assume you'd have to read each line in and break it apart with greps. I like my setup so far because its light weight but really flexible. You'll probably want some logic other than just IPs. (I've found that sometimes IP doesnt matter at all, sometimes its the only thing that really matters.) Having some table/list of rules lets you apply pretty good logic to whats recorded and how it's counted; for example some user agents (such as bloglines) include in their agent string the number of subscribers they have for your feed. If the user-agent is a known bot, I dont care what it's IP address is - I set its ip to "Any" (so that it will match future requests by this bot) and set subscriber count = 0. I record all sorts of stuff for each request, but the main fields I use for 'counting' are http-user-agent, ip-address, timestamp, subscriber count. I'm still tweaking my system, but I think it's fairly accurate. I have a link on my site (that only I can see) that I can click to get all the details of all currently counted subscribers ... and when I go over it 9 times out of 10 it all looks pretty good. Once in a while a new bot will pop up or something ... so I just go and adjust the rules as needed to ensure it's appropriately taken care of. ... not sure if that helps or not ... - Dave On 11/11/05, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone know how to approximate subscribers like Feedburner does?I assume it counts each time a unique IP address accesses the feed.Anyone know how to do that with a raw log file?I use AW Stats, and there no way to determine who is accessing what from their interface. Thanks knowledgebase,Adam SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- http://www.DavidMeade.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

RE: [videoblogging] Elevator Pitch Series: Technical and Asethetic Questions

Title: Message





I have 
a technical/asethetic question.
I am shooting video with a Cannon 
digital elph - powershot sd300.  Cheap, low cost video.  I can't zoom 
the lens, etc. though this would spark creativity.
 
What I'm noticing with interviews is that the built-in mike sounds like 
shit  ...
Any 
suggestions?
 
Now, 
if I were to take a slight step up in cameras - to get a better mike and to be 
able to zoom -- what would you suggest that is still in the lower end?  

 
Also, 
along the same lines -- I'm using moviemaker and now that I have mastered it, 
I'm feeling limited. What is the next step up - not too expensive -- but gives 
me slight more features?  What about adobe preimere 
ELEMENTS?
Beth

  
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  PMTo: videoblogging@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
  [videoblogging] Elevator Pitch Series: Reddit Community News 
  FoundersI really like this idea...like Business Media 
  instead of a Business Card
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RE: [videoblogging] Elevator Pitch Series: Reddit Community News Founders

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Yes, 
I've also been collecting business cards in flickr and someone else suggested 
podcasting elevator speeches
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cambodia4kidsorg/sets/1218950/
 
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  FoundersI really like this idea...like Business Media 
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Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

ps. the main reason why the formula for comparing these numbers is complex of course centers around the fact that xml pages are often hit when there is no update, which leads to xml hits with no html hits or video downloads.On Nov 11, 2005, at 9:19 PM, andrew michael baron wrote: I believe the most obscure statistic that hasnt been mentioned, which is desirable, especially when one has multiple feeds, is an aggregate of the amount of actual video downloads against the number of xml page views against the number of html object views, something I would have to calculate by hand when I'm in the mood (never).The outcome equates with exactly how many people are downloading videos in an aggregator and how many people came to the web site to view the video during any given time integral.Where,x = total number of xml page viewsy = total number of html page views that contain embedded video objectsz = total number of actual video file downloads (with a like-sub-level of complexity in 'attempted/incomplete' file downloads).Any other ideas? My best estimates now rely on looking at the data visually for consistency over time and trying to gauge a raw percent.related notes:+Just because you have a subscriber, does not mean they used an aggregator to retrieve your videos today.+Text subscribers and video subscribers are different breeds - the text subscriber likely hits xml, html and video, where a local video aggregator may only hit xml and video while some incoming links are hot right to the video, with no html or xml.On Nov 11, 2005, at 8:00 PM, David Meade wrote: I created a system to track / estimate subscribers on my site. I still consider it testing, but I think it works pretty good. I dont use log files however. Rather than parse log files, I wrote a few php functions that are called each time the feed is acccessed. It then writes (or updates) a record of the request to the databse. I have another table of "rules" that the system checks these requests against to determine how it should record/count the feed request. You could do this with the raw logs though I would think ... so long as you have a script that has read access to them. I'd assume you'd have to read each line in and break it apart with greps. I like my setup so far because its light weight but really flexible. You'll probably want some logic other than just IPs. (I've found that sometimes IP doesnt matter at all, sometimes its the only thing that really matters.) Having some table/list of rules lets you apply pretty good logic to whats recorded and how it's counted; for example some user agents (such as bloglines) include in their agent string the number of subscribers they have for your feed. If the user-agent is a known bot, I dont care what it's IP address is - I set its ip to "Any" (so that it will match future requests by this bot) and set subscriber count = 0. I record all sorts of stuff for each request, but the main fields I use for 'counting' are http-user-agent, ip-address, timestamp, subscriber count. I'm still tweaking my system, but I think it's fairly accurate. I have a link on my site (that only I can see) that I can click to get all the details of all currently counted subscribers ... and when I go over it 9 times out of 10 it all looks pretty good. Once in a while a new bot will pop up or something ... so I just go and adjust the rules as needed to ensure it's appropriately taken care of. ... not sure if that helps or not ... - Dave On 11/11/05, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone know how to approximate subscribers like Feedburner does?I assume it counts each time a unique IP address accesses the feed.Anyone know how to do that with a raw log file?I use AW Stats, and there no way to determine who is accessing what from their interface. Thanks knowledgebase,Adam SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- http://www.DavidMeade.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: iPod video owners: check a vid for me?

2005-11-11 Thread WWWhatsup


>


I'd very much appreciate it if you kind video ipod owners would check out
http://punkcast.com/podcast.xml and tell me whether they import ok

I used slightly different methods in QT7 on PC

does it matter that one of them is not strictly 320x240 ?

thanks

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Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers

Good point andrew.

For some people, BlipTV can provide pretty good stats in this (although
I believe they are still fine tuning their stat system). They
list total number of views with a breakout of user agent (itunes,
fireant, IE, Firefox, etc).

I know RB doesnt use blip ... I'm just sayin.

1) user-agent/ip in a subscriber estimation can give a ball park idea
of how many unique agrigators are hitting a feed a day (although each
hit may not be a download of a video file).
2) File access stats (such as BlipTV's video stats) can give a pretty
accurate count of how many times the file was accessed from what sort
of client.
3) website logs/stats can guage how often the embeded player is loaded on my site

with all of that ... I suppose I could - if I ever wanted a headache
:-P - go and compare actual downloads to hits on my site vs. hits in
aggregators vs hits on other sites ... I don't think I myself
actually care ... but I can see how this would be valuable data for
some.

- Dave
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On 11/11/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I believe the most obscure statistic that
hasnt been mentioned, which is desirable, especially when one has
multiple feeds, is an aggregate of the amount of actual video downloads
against the number of xml page views against the number of html object
views, something I would have to calculate by hand when I'm in the mood
(never).The
outcome equates with exactly how many people are downloading videos in
an aggregator and how many people came to the web site to view the
video during any given time integral.Where,x = total number of xml page views
y = total number of html page views that contain embedded video objectsz = total number of actual video file downloads (with a like-sub-level of complexity in 'attempted/incomplete' file downloads).
Any
other ideas? My best estimates now rely on looking at the data visually
for consistency over time and trying to gauge a raw percent.related notes:+Just because you have a subscriber, does not mean they used an aggregator to retrieve your videos today.
+Text
subscribers and video subscribers are different breeds - the text
subscriber likely hits xml, html and video, where a local video
aggregator may only hit xml and video while some incoming links are hot
right to the video, with no html or xml.On Nov 11, 2005, at 8:00 PM, David Meade wrote:
I created a system to track / estimate subscribers on my site. I
still consider it testing, but I think it works pretty good. I
dont use log files however. Rather than parse log files, I
wrote a few php functions that are called each time the feed is
acccessed. It then writes (or updates) a record of the request to
the databse. I have another table of "rules" that the system
checks these requests against to determine how it should record/count
the feed request. You could do this with the raw logs though I
would think ... so long as you have a script that has read access to
them. I'd assume you'd have to read each line in and break it
apart with greps. I like my setup so far because its light
weight but really flexible. You'll probably want some logic other
than just IPs. (I've found that sometimes IP doesnt matter at
all, sometimes its the only thing that really matters.)
Having some table/list of rules lets you apply pretty good logic to
whats recorded and how it's counted; for example some user agents (such
as bloglines) include in their agent string the number of subscribers
they have for your feed. If the user-agent is a known bot,
I dont care what it's IP address is - I set its ip to "Any" (so that it
will match future requests by this bot) and set subscriber count = 0.
I record all sorts of stuff for each request, but the main fields I use
for 'counting' are http-user-agent, ip-address, timestamp, subscriber
count. I'm still tweaking my system, but I think it's fairly
accurate. I have a link on my site (that only I can see) that I
can click to get all the details of all currently counted subscribers
... and when I go over it 9 times out of 10 it all looks pretty
good. Once in a while a new bot will pop up or something ... so I
just go and adjust the rules as needed to ensure it's appropriately
taken care of. ... not sure if that helps or not ... - Dave On 11/11/05, Adam Quirk <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does anyone know how to approximate subscribers like Feedburner does?
I assume it counts each time a unique IP address accesses the feed.Anyone know how to do that with a raw log file?I use AW Stats, and there no way to determine who is accessing what from their interface.
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Re: [videoblogging] Approximating subscribers




On 11/11/05, andrew michael baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ps. the main reason why the formula for comparing these numbers is
complex of course centers around the fact that xml pages are often hit
when there is no update, which leads to xml hits with no html hits or
video downloads.True.  But the system to estimate subscribers doesnt really need to know how often they download video...just that they are still checking for updates.
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