Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Lisa Harper]

"My point is there is a reason for all the constructs in vlogging. And
that point is accessibility and usability. I could give a crap less
about what people want to call it, but without many of the core
fundamental features in a blog like permalinks, and an archive it'll
be hard to get and retain regular viewership."

Hmmm. Time will tell. And technology will evolve whether we're involved or
not. Lots of people don't know what permalinks are. But they know they can
subscribe for things in iTunes and see previous episodes listed in iTunes.
Show notes? It won't be long before subscribers start asking for them. And
things will happen. Once you involve the general public, you also involve
decision-makers in the general public. They won't act, until they
understand...

That Amanda has caught the attention of mainstream media and public is
encouraging. They have taken among the best the vlogger community has to
offer and this means the ball is really rolling.

Lisa
lisaharper.org

On 12/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>   Well, at least we've progressed beyond the perverbial "if your not a
> part of the solution you're a part of the problem" stage.
>
> While being on abc's site has plenty of markeitng clout, I have no
> doubt that ABC... wether because someone there listens to the
> blogosphere, us or amanda... will come around. After all amanda does
> have many other vlogs like starring.amandacongdon.com that will
> illustrate over time the importance of accessibility.
>
> Some have misconstued this as a debate over the definition of a
> vlog... whatever... get over it... sorry to have mislead in the title.
>
> My point is there is a reason for all the constructs in vlogging. And
> that point is accessibility and usability. I could give a crap less
> about what people want to call it, but without many of the core
> fundamental features in a blog like permalinks, and an archive it'll
> be hard to get and retain regular viewership.
>
> -Mike
>
>
> On 12/23/06, Zack <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> > This is confusing to me. Didn't she formerly complain about
> > the mainstream media (MSM)? Yet now she's a part of it?
> >
> > Bill Cammack wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's the press release, for those of you that aren't aware of what
> > > ABC's goals are:
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.abcmedia net.com/pressrel /dispDNR. html?id=111406_
> > > 02&from=mnsearch
> > >
> > <
> http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=111406_02&from=mnsearch
> >
> > >
> > > ABC Television Network
> > > PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS'
> > > DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP
> > > Print This Document
> > > (note: To use this function, upgrade your browser: "Quick Download")
> > >
> > > VIDEO BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP AS A
> > > CONTRIBUTOR
> > >
> > >
> > > Dedicated to expanding its network and channel brands across multiple
> > > platforms and
> > > connecting viewers with their favorite shows anytime and anywhere,
> > > Disney-ABC
> > > Television Group announced today that Amanda Congdon has joined ABC
> > > News Digital
> > > Media Group as a contributor. In this role she will primarily
> > > contribute through a weekly
> > > video blog on the network's online component, ABCNEWS.com, and
> > > frequently appear on
> > > the 24-hour digital channel, ABC News Now.
> > >
> > > "We are excited about the addition of Amanda and her unique,
> > > insightful approach to our
> > > team" said Albert Cheng, executive vice president, Digital Media,
> > > Disney-ABC Television
> > > Group. "Her background and proven ability to effortlessly blend news
> > > and pop culture will
> > > be invaluable assets as we continue to evolve how we deliver news and
> > > information across
> > > our digital platforms."
> > >
> > > "I am very pleased to be joining the Disney-ABC Television Group team.
> > > They are breaking
> > > new ground online and I am eager to forge ahead with them," said Ms.
> > > Congdon. "Many
> > > people use the internet as their #1 news source, so it's exciting that
> > > a major news provider
> > > like ABC News is actively expanding their original program offerings
> > > in the space."
> > >
> > > Ms. Congdon recently traveled across the country as part of her
> > > AmandaAcrossAmerica
> > > project, where she chronicled her experiences via video blogging,
> > > which included
> > > interviewing Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack. Prior to her nationwide tour,
> > > she was the well-
> > > known host of the daily online news show, Rocketboom.com. Ms. Congdon
> > > graduated
> > > magna cum laude from Northwestern University and currently resides in
> > > Los Angeles.
> > >
> > > The ABC News Digital Media group continues to show incredible growth
> > > through both
> > > ABCNEWS.com and ABC News Now. ABCNEWS.com hit a five-year high in
> > > October with
> > > more than 138 million page views, showing a 77% increase from October
> > > 2005, according

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[groups-yahoo-com]

Well, at least we've progressed beyond the perverbial "if your not a
part of the solution you're a part of the problem" stage.

While being on abc's site has plenty of markeitng clout, I have no
doubt that ABC... wether because someone there listens to the
blogosphere, us or amanda... will come around.  After all amanda does
have many other vlogs like starring.amandacongdon.com that will
illustrate over time the importance of accessibility.

Some have misconstued this as a debate over the definition of a
vlog... whatever... get over it... sorry to have mislead in the title.

My point is there is a reason for all the constructs in vlogging. And
that point is accessibility and usability. I could give a crap less
about what people want to call it, but without many of the core
fundamental features in a blog like permalinks, and an archive it'll
be hard to get and retain regular viewership.

-Mike

On 12/23/06, Zack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is confusing to me. Didn't she formerly complain about
> the mainstream media (MSM)? Yet now she's a part of it?
>
> Bill Cammack wrote:
> >
> > Here's the press release, for those of you that aren't aware of what
> > ABC's goals are:
> >
> > --
> > http://www.abcmedia net.com/pressrel /dispDNR. html?id=111406_
> > 02&from=mnsearch
> >
> 
> >
> > ABC Television Network
> > PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS'
> > DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP
> > Print This Document
> > (note: To use this function, upgrade your browser: "Quick Download")
> >
> > VIDEO BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP AS A
> > CONTRIBUTOR
> >
> >
> > Dedicated to expanding its network and channel brands across multiple
> > platforms and
> > connecting viewers with their favorite shows anytime and anywhere,
> > Disney-ABC
> > Television Group announced today that Amanda Congdon has joined ABC
> > News Digital
> > Media Group as a contributor. In this role she will primarily
> > contribute through a weekly
> > video blog on the network's online component, ABCNEWS.com, and
> > frequently appear on
> > the 24-hour digital channel, ABC News Now.
> >
> > "We are excited about the addition of Amanda and her unique,
> > insightful approach to our
> > team" said Albert Cheng, executive vice president, Digital Media,
> > Disney-ABC Television
> > Group. "Her background and proven ability to effortlessly blend news
> > and pop culture will
> > be invaluable assets as we continue to evolve how we deliver news and
> > information across
> > our digital platforms."
> >
> > "I am very pleased to be joining the Disney-ABC Television Group team.
> > They are breaking
> > new ground online and I am eager to forge ahead with them," said Ms.
> > Congdon. "Many
> > people use the internet as their #1 news source, so it's exciting that
> > a major news provider
> > like ABC News is actively expanding their original program offerings
> > in the space."
> >
> > Ms. Congdon recently traveled across the country as part of her
> > AmandaAcrossAmerica
> > project, where she chronicled her experiences via video blogging,
> > which included
> > interviewing Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack. Prior to her nationwide tour,
> > she was the well-
> > known host of the daily online news show, Rocketboom.com. Ms. Congdon
> > graduated
> > magna cum laude from Northwestern University and currently resides in
> > Los Angeles.
> >
> > The ABC News Digital Media group continues to show incredible growth
> > through both
> > ABCNEWS.com and ABC News Now. ABCNEWS.com hit a five-year high in
> > October with
> > more than 138 million page views, showing a 77% increase from October
> > 2005, according
> > to an internal measurement tool. The site recently ranked seventh
> > among all news sites,
> > drawing its highest ranking in nearly three years. ABC News Now is one
> > of the most widely
> > distributed broadband channels, available to over 27 million broadband
> > subscribers, and
> > is innovating the marketplace with its own line of viewer-generated
> > programming, "Be
> > Seen and Be Heard."
> >
> > This announcement is part of the Disney-ABC Television Group's overall
> > Digital Media
> > multiplatform business initiative and demonstrates the Group's ongoing
> > commitment to
> > launching new digital products and working with strategic partners in
> > the digital media
> > space to make its high-quality, informative and entertaining content
> > available to
> > consumers whenever and wherever they choose.
> >
> > Media Contacts:
> > Paige Capossela, ABC News, (212) 456-7243
> > Karen Hobson, Disney-ABC Television Group, (818) 569-7789
> > Michael Donkis, Endeavor, (310) 246 -3390
> >
> >  -
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@ yahoogroups. com
> > , "Mike Meiser"  > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Exactly Peter,
> > >
> > > ABC, is completely ignorant of

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Zack]

This is confusing to me. Didn't she formerly complain about
the mainstream media (MSM)? Yet now she's a part of it?

Bill Cammack wrote:
>
> Here's the press release, for those of you that aren't aware of what 
> ABC's goals are:
>
> --
> http://www.abcmedia net.com/pressrel /dispDNR. html?id=111406_ 
> 02&from=mnsearch 
> 
>
> ABC Television Network
> PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS'
> DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP
> Print This Document
> (note: To use this function, upgrade your browser: "Quick Download")
>
> VIDEO BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP AS A
> CONTRIBUTOR
>
>
> Dedicated to expanding its network and channel brands across multiple 
> platforms and
> connecting viewers with their favorite shows anytime and anywhere, 
> Disney-ABC
> Television Group announced today that Amanda Congdon has joined ABC 
> News Digital
> Media Group as a contributor. In this role she will primarily 
> contribute through a weekly
> video blog on the network's online component, ABCNEWS.com, and 
> frequently appear on
> the 24-hour digital channel, ABC News Now.
>
> "We are excited about the addition of Amanda and her unique, 
> insightful approach to our
> team" said Albert Cheng, executive vice president, Digital Media, 
> Disney-ABC Television
> Group. "Her background and proven ability to effortlessly blend news 
> and pop culture will
> be invaluable assets as we continue to evolve how we deliver news and 
> information across
> our digital platforms."
>
> "I am very pleased to be joining the Disney-ABC Television Group team. 
> They are breaking
> new ground online and I am eager to forge ahead with them," said Ms. 
> Congdon. "Many
> people use the internet as their #1 news source, so it's exciting that 
> a major news provider
> like ABC News is actively expanding their original program offerings 
> in the space."
>
> Ms. Congdon recently traveled across the country as part of her 
> AmandaAcrossAmerica
> project, where she chronicled her experiences via video blogging, 
> which included
> interviewing Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack. Prior to her nationwide tour, 
> she was the well-
> known host of the daily online news show, Rocketboom.com. Ms. Congdon 
> graduated
> magna cum laude from Northwestern University and currently resides in 
> Los Angeles.
>
> The ABC News Digital Media group continues to show incredible growth 
> through both
> ABCNEWS.com and ABC News Now. ABCNEWS.com hit a five-year high in 
> October with
> more than 138 million page views, showing a 77% increase from October 
> 2005, according
> to an internal measurement tool. The site recently ranked seventh 
> among all news sites,
> drawing its highest ranking in nearly three years. ABC News Now is one 
> of the most widely
> distributed broadband channels, available to over 27 million broadband 
> subscribers, and
> is innovating the marketplace with its own line of viewer-generated 
> programming, "Be
> Seen and Be Heard."
>
> This announcement is part of the Disney-ABC Television Group's overall 
> Digital Media
> multiplatform business initiative and demonstrates the Group's ongoing 
> commitment to
> launching new digital products and working with strategic partners in 
> the digital media
> space to make its high-quality, informative and entertaining content 
> available to
> consumers whenever and wherever they choose.
>
> Media Contacts:
> Paige Capossela, ABC News, (212) 456-7243
> Karen Hobson, Disney-ABC Television Group, (818) 569-7789
> Michael Donkis, Endeavor, (310) 246 -3390
>
>  -
>
> --- In videoblogging@ yahoogroups. com 
> , "Mike Meiser"  [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly Peter,
> >
> > ABC, is completely ignorant of the the potential of vidoe on the web
> > and just replicating the sam ol' sh*t that worked on TV, but now's the
> > chance to send a message and make a point. To clue big media in, and
> > to help Amanda out.
> >
> > Amanda,
> >
> > I knew you know what makes vlogs work, that's perhaps why I pushed so
> > hard. I understand.. . you're working with a big player they probably
> > don't care what you think... tradtionally you're just the personality,
> > the pretty face on the screen, they're probably not used to their on
> > air tallent telling their techies how to do their job. We got your
> > back, just send them this way and we'll clue them in.
> >
> > BTW, I did notice you got your RSS feed up. Half the trouble is just
> > that the page is a mess. And so is the RSS feed. The permalinks for
> > example in the feed just link back to a generic ABC podcast overview
> > page, this is utterly clueless. RSS feeds aren't just about
> > aggregation they're about search and findability as well. The whole
> > idea of the permalink is to tie the videos / podcasts back to the
> > original post, the original show notes. Yo

[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Bill Cammack]

Here's the press release, for those of you that aren't aware of what ABC's 
goals are:

--
http://www.abcmedianet.com/pressrel/dispDNR.html?id=111406_02&from=mnsearch


ABC Television Network
PRESS RELEASE - ENTERTAINMENT - BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS' 
DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP
Print This Document
(note: To use this function, upgrade your browser: "Quick Download")
 
VIDEO BLOGGER AMANDA CONGDON JOINS ABC NEWS DIGITAL MEDIA GROUP AS A 
CONTRIBUTOR
 
 
Dedicated to expanding its network and channel brands across multiple platforms 
and 
connecting viewers with their favorite shows anytime and anywhere, Disney-ABC 
Television Group announced today that Amanda Congdon has joined ABC News 
Digital 
Media Group as a contributor. In this role she will primarily contribute 
through a weekly 
video blog on the network's online component, ABCNEWS.com, and frequently 
appear on 
the 24-hour digital channel, ABC News Now.

"We are excited about the addition of Amanda and her unique, insightful 
approach to our 
team" said Albert Cheng, executive vice president, Digital Media, Disney-ABC 
Television 
Group. "Her background and proven ability to effortlessly blend news and pop 
culture will 
be invaluable assets as we continue to evolve how we deliver news and 
information across 
our digital platforms."

"I am very pleased to be joining the Disney-ABC Television Group team. They are 
breaking 
new ground online and I am eager to forge ahead with them," said Ms. Congdon. 
"Many 
people use the internet as their #1 news source, so it's exciting that a major 
news provider 
like ABC News is actively expanding their original program offerings in the 
space."

Ms. Congdon recently traveled across the country as part of her 
AmandaAcrossAmerica 
project, where she chronicled her experiences via video blogging, which 
included 
interviewing Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack. Prior to her nationwide tour, she was 
the well-
known host of the daily online news show, Rocketboom.com. Ms. Congdon graduated 
magna cum laude from Northwestern University and currently resides in Los 
Angeles.

The ABC News Digital Media group continues to show incredible growth through 
both 
ABCNEWS.com and ABC News Now. ABCNEWS.com hit a five-year high in October with 
more than 138 million page views, showing a 77% increase from October 2005, 
according 
to an internal measurement tool. The site recently ranked seventh among all 
news sites, 
drawing its highest ranking in nearly three years. ABC News Now is one of the 
most widely 
distributed broadband channels, available to over 27 million broadband 
subscribers, and 
is innovating the marketplace with its own line of viewer-generated 
programming, "Be 
Seen and Be Heard."

This announcement is part of the Disney-ABC Television Group's overall Digital 
Media 
multiplatform business initiative and demonstrates the Group's ongoing 
commitment to 
launching new digital products and working with strategic partners in the 
digital media 
space to make its high-quality, informative and entertaining content available 
to 
consumers whenever and wherever they choose.
 
Media Contacts:
Paige Capossela, ABC News, (212) 456-7243
Karen Hobson, Disney-ABC Television Group, (818) 569-7789
Michael Donkis, Endeavor, (310) 246 -3390

-

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Exactly Peter,
> 
> ABC, is completely ignorant of the the potential of vidoe on the web
> and just replicating the sam ol' sh*t that worked on TV, but now's the
> chance to send a message and make a point.  To clue big media in, and
> to help Amanda out.
> 
> Amanda,
> 
> I knew you know what makes vlogs work, that's perhaps why I pushed so
> hard. I understand... you're working with a big player they probably
> don't care what you think... tradtionally you're just the personality,
> the pretty face on the screen, they're probably not used to their on
> air tallent telling their techies how to do their job.  We got your
> back, just send them this way and we'll clue them in.
> 
> BTW, I did notice you got your RSS feed up. Half the trouble is just
> that the page is a mess. And so is the RSS feed.  The permalinks for
> example in the feed just link back to a generic ABC podcast overview
> page, this is utterly clueless. RSS feeds aren't just about
> aggregation they're about search and findability as well. The whole
> idea of the permalink is to tie the videos / podcasts back to the
> original post, the original show notes.  Your vlog on ABC seems to
> have todays shownotes/ links... but I'll be damned if I know where
> they go after that.
> 
> ABC should get a clue and just install a stock wordpress platform it'd
> do a thousand fold more for you. Videoblogging is not just a web page
> or a place holder it's a communications platform and untill ABC
> understands all the dozens of little things a blogging platform does
> and WHY they do it they shouldn't be trying to replica

[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Richard BF]

>It's [just] video.

Hallelujah! And so say all of us.

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[sull]

Amanda,

Am angle I might take with ABC is to just let you setup your own vlog where
you can post the weekly videos (and anthing else you might care to
contribute) on it with proper RSS feeds.  They can still incorporate your
videos into that god-awful ad-ridden abyss of a popup window UI since
thats the standard for the industry and I doubt you will get them to
completely drop that approach.  But to let you have this companion videoblog
would be great and could even be used to compare views/subscribers between
the two environments in which case you would have some good proof to
show them (assuming the numbers are good/better than the standard VOD player
thingie).

Just a thought.

Sull

On 12/22/06, Amanda Congdon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Hi Mike,
>
> We have comments, links and an RSS feed w/enclosures.
>
> The site is a mess, you are right. We are actively working to improve
> it. An embedded player will come sometime in January along with
> permalinks and better integration of the comments, links and archives.
>
> I told them all this before we launched. But they needed to hear it
> from about 2,549 bloggers before they'd believe me. ;)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Amanda
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Heh, my argument is VERY simple.
> >
> > All I'm saying is it's not a blog.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog
> >
> > You can argue all day about wether it has videos or not, but it ain't
> > no blog. :)
> >
> > I would tend to think that if it ain't no blog that this would make it
> > certainly by definition no videoblog.
> >
> > If you call this thing qualifies as a blog you mine as well call any
> > and every page on the web a blog.
> >
> > Besides... it's not about what you call it. It's about what it does...
> > and it has not a single mechanism that blogs tend to have that make
> > them useful tools for communication.
> >
> > So... if it is a blog or even a video blog, you must admit it's one of
> > the worst damn blogs evar.
> >
> > This completely despite Amanda, her winning personal verbals stylings,
> > personality and choicey news bits. Which I hear are in there
> > somewhere, burried behind a mess of ads and popout windows.
> >
> > I think.
> >
> > Maybe.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Thanks for that suggestion. I will pass it along!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Richard (Show)
> Hall
> > > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 15:21
> > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Should this be available via the amanda accross america feed?
> > >
> > > On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > <mailto:charles% 40blip.tv> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video
> > > there
> > > > today, in fact.
> > > >
> > > > Starring Amanda Congdon
> > > <http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon
> > > <http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon> >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://richardhhall.org <http://richardhhall.org>
> > > http://richardshow.com <http://richardshow.com>
> > > http://inspiredhealing.tv <http://inspiredhealing.tv>
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Sull
http://vlogdir.com (a project)
http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog)
http://interdigitate.com (otherly)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[JADonnelly]

And Rice is not Eric.
jad
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Eric Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> You're right. It's not a vlog.
> It's video.
> 
> 
> Merry F'in Christmas!
> 
> ER
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser"
 wrote:
> >
> > Howdy, I read through pretty much all the posts on new Amanda show on
> > ABC. Who can blame me for not reading them all there were well over
> > 100 all told.
> > 
> > I started this new thread because what I have to say has nothing to do
> > with Amanda or Andrew.
> > 
> > It has to do with the specific details of this new vlog, which Amanda
> > pardon me for saying this it's nothing personal, is a complete
> > disgrace, completely misses the whole point of vlogging and is pretty
> > much doomed to fail. Above all, it is not a vlog because it simply has
> > NONE, NONE of the conventions of a blog whatsoever, and it's really
> > quite a shame too because I think we ALL including Andrew on some
> > level want Amanda's new web based video show to be a success.
> > 
> > My thoughts were to explosive and inflamatory to post here, so I've
> > posted them to my blog instead.
> > 
> >
http://mmeiser.com/blog/2006/12/amanda-condons-new-vlog-on-abc-is-not.html
> > 
> > Please note that this is not about Andrew or Amanda personally but
> > their ABC and the "platform" they've built for Amanda.  I know it's
> > almost impossible but if we could refrain from any personal issues and
> > focus our discussion on the platform that is abcnews.go.com/Amanda I
> > believe we all might learn something about how NOT to put video online
> > and hopefully ABC can make some improvements.
> > 
> > The ONLY thing I see ABC doing right is they have appeared to update
> > the website with a url not just to iTunes but to the actuall RSS feed.
> > Which is great because the RSS feed is the ONLY way that's even
> > remotely plausable to acces amanda's show on a regular basis. Not that
> > one would until the horrendous advertising gets fixed.
> > 
> > I hope noone will mistake my bluntness for a lack of love. It's quite
> > the contrary. ABC insults us all of us as vloggers, as fans or would
> > be fands of the Amanda show, and above all Amanda. It even insults
> > Andrew and what he's done with rocketboom as it learns virtually
> > nothing from what he accomplished.
> > 
> > I still get the feeling that ABC still things everything important is
> > what happens IN the video, and that how the video is accessed and
> > viewed on the web is completely inconsequential.
> > 
> > Peace,
> > 
> > -Mike
> > mmeiser.com/blog
> >
>

[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Eric Rice]

You're right. It's not a vlog.
It's video.


Merry F'in Christmas!

ER


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Meiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Howdy, I read through pretty much all the posts on new Amanda show on
> ABC. Who can blame me for not reading them all there were well over
> 100 all told.
> 
> I started this new thread because what I have to say has nothing to do
> with Amanda or Andrew.
> 
> It has to do with the specific details of this new vlog, which Amanda
> pardon me for saying this it's nothing personal, is a complete
> disgrace, completely misses the whole point of vlogging and is pretty
> much doomed to fail. Above all, it is not a vlog because it simply has
> NONE, NONE of the conventions of a blog whatsoever, and it's really
> quite a shame too because I think we ALL including Andrew on some
> level want Amanda's new web based video show to be a success.
> 
> My thoughts were to explosive and inflamatory to post here, so I've
> posted them to my blog instead.
> 
> http://mmeiser.com/blog/2006/12/amanda-condons-new-vlog-on-abc-is-not.html
> 
> Please note that this is not about Andrew or Amanda personally but
> their ABC and the "platform" they've built for Amanda.  I know it's
> almost impossible but if we could refrain from any personal issues and
> focus our discussion on the platform that is abcnews.go.com/Amanda I
> believe we all might learn something about how NOT to put video online
> and hopefully ABC can make some improvements.
> 
> The ONLY thing I see ABC doing right is they have appeared to update
> the website with a url not just to iTunes but to the actuall RSS feed.
> Which is great because the RSS feed is the ONLY way that's even
> remotely plausable to acces amanda's show on a regular basis. Not that
> one would until the horrendous advertising gets fixed.
> 
> I hope noone will mistake my bluntness for a lack of love. It's quite
> the contrary. ABC insults us all of us as vloggers, as fans or would
> be fands of the Amanda show, and above all Amanda. It even insults
> Andrew and what he's done with rocketboom as it learns virtually
> nothing from what he accomplished.
> 
> I still get the feeling that ABC still things everything important is
> what happens IN the video, and that how the video is accessed and
> viewed on the web is completely inconsequential.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> -Mike
> mmeiser.com/blog
>

[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Amanda Congdon]

Hi Mike,

We have comments, links and an RSS feed w/enclosures.

The site is a mess, you are right. We are actively working to improve
it. An embedded player will come sometime in January along with
permalinks and better integration of the comments, links and archives.

I told them all this before we launched. But they needed to hear it
from about 2,549 bloggers before they'd believe me. ;)

Thanks,

Amanda


--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Heh, my argument is VERY simple.
> 
> All I'm saying is it's not a blog.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog
> 
> You can argue all day about wether it has videos or not, but it ain't
> no blog. :)
> 
> I would tend to think that if it ain't no blog that this would make it
> certainly by definition no videoblog.
> 
> If you call this thing qualifies as a blog you mine as well call any
> and every page on the web a blog.
> 
> Besides... it's not about what you call it. It's about what it does...
> and it has not a single mechanism that blogs tend to have that make
> them useful tools for communication.
> 
> So... if it is a blog or even a video blog, you must admit it's one of
> the worst damn blogs evar.
> 
> This completely despite Amanda, her winning personal verbals stylings,
> personality and choicey news bits. Which I hear are in there
> somewhere, burried behind a mess of ads and popout windows.
> 
> I think.
> 
> Maybe.
> 
> Peace,
> 
> -Mike
> 
> On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks for that suggestion.  I will pass it along!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard (Show)
Hall
> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 15:21
> > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog
> > 
> > 
> >
> > Should this be available via the amanda accross america feed?
> > 
> > On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <mailto:charles%40blip.tv> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video
> > there
> > > today, in fact.
> > >
> > > Starring Amanda Congdon
> > <http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon
> > <http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon> >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > --
> > http://richardhhall.org <http://richardhhall.org>
> > http://richardshow.com <http://richardshow.com>
> > http://inspiredhealing.tv <http://inspiredhealing.tv>
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[groups-yahoo-com]

Heh, my argument is VERY simple.

All I'm saying is it's not a blog.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blog

You can argue all day about wether it has videos or not, but it ain't
no blog. :)

I would tend to think that if it ain't no blog that this would make it
certainly by definition no videoblog.

If you call this thing qualifies as a blog you mine as well call any
and every page on the web a blog.

Besides... it's not about what you call it. It's about what it does...
and it has not a single mechanism that blogs tend to have that make
them useful tools for communication.

So... if it is a blog or even a video blog, you must admit it's one of
the worst damn blogs evar.

This completely despite Amanda, her winning personal verbals stylings,
personality and choicey news bits. Which I hear are in there
somewhere, burried behind a mess of ads and popout windows.

I think.

Maybe.

Peace,

-Mike

On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for that suggestion.  I will pass it along!
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>   From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard (Show) Hall
>   Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 15:21
>       To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog
>   
>   
>
>   Should this be available via the amanda accross america feed?
>   
>   On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:charles%40blip.tv> > wrote:
>   >
>   > Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video
> there
>   > today, in fact.
>   >
>   > Starring Amanda Congdon
> <http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon
> <http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon> >
>   >
>   > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   
>   --
>   http://richardhhall.org <http://richardhhall.org>
>   http://richardshow.com <http://richardshow.com>
>   http://inspiredhealing.tv <http://inspiredhealing.tv>
>   
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

RE: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Charles Hope]

Thanks for that suggestion.  I will pass it along!
 
 




From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard (Show) Hall
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 15:21
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog



Should this be available via the amanda accross america feed?

On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:charles%40blip.tv> > wrote:
>
> Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video
there
> today, in fact.
>
> Starring Amanda Congdon
<http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon
<http://blip.tv/users/view/amandacongdon> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>

-- 
http://richardhhall.org <http://richardhhall.org> 
http://richardshow.com <http://richardshow.com> 
http://inspiredhealing.tv <http://inspiredhealing.tv> 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



 



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[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Enric]

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Hope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video there
> today, in fact.
>  
> Starring Amanda Congdon  
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I found Amanda's recent entry, "People of the Year", 

http://blip.tv/file/120274/

, interesting and though provoking.

  -- Enric

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Richard (Show) Hall]

Should this be available via the amanda accross america feed?

On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video there
> today, in fact.
>
> Starring Amanda Congdon 
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>



-- 
http://richardhhall.org
http://richardshow.com
http://inspiredhealing.tv


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[RANDY MANN]

so what is the difiniton of a vlog again???

hope im doing it right

randy

averrycoollifeblog.blogspot.com

On 12/22/06, Charles Hope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video there
> today, in fact.
>
> Starring Amanda Congdon 
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

RE: [videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Charles Hope]

Amanda is still maintaining her vlog! She just posted a video there
today, in fact.
 
Starring Amanda Congdon  


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[videoblogging] Re: Amanda on ABC is not a vlog

[Mike Meiser]

Sorry, bad url.

The proper url is
http://mmeiser.com/blog/2006/12/amanda-congdons-new-vlog-on-abc-is-not.html

On 12/22/06, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howdy, I read through pretty much all the posts on new Amanda show on
> ABC. Who can blame me for not reading them all there were well over
> 100 all told.
>
> I started this new thread because what I have to say has nothing to do
> with Amanda or Andrew.
>
> It has to do with the specific details of this new vlog, which Amanda
> pardon me for saying this it's nothing personal, is a complete
> disgrace, completely misses the whole point of vlogging and is pretty
> much doomed to fail. Above all, it is not a vlog because it simply has
> NONE, NONE of the conventions of a blog whatsoever, and it's really
> quite a shame too because I think we ALL including Andrew on some
> level want Amanda's new web based video show to be a success.
>
> My thoughts were to explosive and inflamatory to post here, so I've
> posted them to my blog instead.
>
> http://mmeiser.com/blog/2006/12/amanda-congdons-new-vlog-on-abc-is-not.html
>
> Please note that this is not about Andrew or Amanda personally but
> their ABC and the "platform" they've built for Amanda.  I know it's
> almost impossible but if we could refrain from any personal issues and
> focus our discussion on the platform that is abcnews.go.com/Amanda I
> believe we all might learn something about how NOT to put video online
> and hopefully ABC can make some improvements.
>
> The ONLY thing I see ABC doing right is they have appeared to update
> the website with a url not just to iTunes but to the actuall RSS feed.
> Which is great because the RSS feed is the ONLY way that's even
> remotely plausable to acces amanda's show on a regular basis. Not that
> one would until the horrendous advertising gets fixed.
>
> I hope noone will mistake my bluntness for a lack of love. It's quite
> the contrary. ABC insults us all of us as vloggers, as fans or would
> be fands of the Amanda show, and above all Amanda. It even insults
> Andrew and what he's done with rocketboom as it learns virtually
> nothing from what he accomplished.
>
> I still get the feeling that ABC still things everything important is
> what happens IN the video, and that how the video is accessed and
> viewed on the web is completely inconsequential.
>
> Peace,
>
> -Mike
> mmeiser.com/blog
>