[videoblogging] Re: Copyright and Brightcove
We do the music cue sheet thing for tv as well. We've never been asked to provide it for online use, though I'm sure we can do that easily enough. What Brightcove is doing just isn't user friendly and they're obviously okay with that. I think they're wanting to be looked at like a TV network, but they're not going about it in the best manner. That's just my own opinion. Sheila --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I have produced a TV Show or TV promo we fill out music cue sheets that list the composer, the publisher and the music company. We then file them with the TV Network and the TV Network then files those papers with the music licensing company that we got the music from in the first place. I expect that all of us online video producers will have to do something similar in the next few years. Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @ http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes http://1timstreet.com http://twitter.com/1timstreet On May 29, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Ron Watson wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Brightcove was using this as an excuse to get rid of a small content provider.
[videoblogging] Re: Copyright and Brightcove
As Tim said, music cue sheets are used in broadcast television. The shows have to document whose music they used as well as how long the clip is that they used. So you would put something like: Artist's Name DVD Title Track Number/Name Amount Used (seconds, minutes...) It's also possible that start time in your final video is marked down, because each instance of the use of music has to be documented. 30 seconds of this track, starting 2:15 into the program. 25 seconds from a different track from the same CD, starting 4:09 in A lot of times, instead of the artist's name, there's the Library or Catalogue name. You have companies that create music libraries and license them to companies for their use for a certain period of time, so marking down where you got your music from makes sure you're covered if someone tries to say you didn't pay for it. Also, music cue sheets are good in environments where you're outputting a lot of videos using the same libraries. If you have two producers working on the same series, they can avoid using the same music in back-to-back episodes, for instance. Bill Cammack http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Awesome give-back Gena. Thank you! Rox On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just catching up on this thread. I have never heard of music cue sheets before. I generally use public domain or creative commons type music. I usually just print a copy of the place where I got the music. I'm planning a new project and it might be a good idea to start using these. This is just a quick sweep to get me up to speed. Use what you like and pass it on... BMI information on Music Cue Sheets http://www.bmi.com/career/entry/533132 Royalty Free TV info on Cue Sheets http://www.royalty-free.tv/rftv/cuesheets.htm Sample ASCAP Cue Sheet (PDF) http://www.ascap.com/musicbiz/cue_sheet_corner/pdf/SampleCueSheet.pdf Spreadsheet Cue Sheet http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/production/docs/musiccuesheet.xls Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Tim Street tim@ wrote: Every time I have produced a TV Show or TV promo we fill out music cue sheets that list the composer, the publisher and the music company. We then file them with the TV Network and the TV Network then files those papers with the music licensing company that we got the music from in the first place. I expect that all of us online video producers will have to do something similar in the next few years. Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @ http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes http://1timstreet.com http://twitter.com/1timstreet On May 29, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Ron Watson wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Brightcove was using this as an excuse to get rid of a small content provider. It seems as if their entire business model changed in late '07. How long have you been with Brightcove and would you consider yourself a 'small' content provider. Cheers, Ron Watson On May 28, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Roxanne Darling wrote: Sheila - You are the best at sharing your experiences. I think this is overly extreme, and yes, very few would make it through their entire compliance process. We don't use Brightcove; this is a good reason not to. Not sure if anyone from their company is on the list; maybe they are listening? Aloha, Rox On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Brian Richardson - WhatTheCast? wtc@ wrote: I think Brightcove's response to your evidence is a sign to stop using them ... If their auditor can't accept the information from the music publisher, then their audit process is flawed. Any artist with a publisher lets the publisher handle licensing, and Brightcove should know this. On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:03 pm, Sheila English wrote: I wanted to know if anyone else has had a similar experience with Brightcove or any other hosting site. A Brightcove rep contacted me to say they would be pulling down one of my videos due to copyright infringement. Since I legally license or create everything I use, I knew there was a mistake. He said that Brightcove now hires a third party auditor to review user content for copyright violations and terms of service violations. Their third party auditor identified the music in my video as copyrighted material. I had 5 days to respond. I responded by sending my official license for the copyright of the song, which I paid for and the receipt for. They said they couldn't take my receipt or the
[videoblogging] Re: Copyright and Brightcove
Just catching up on this thread. I have never heard of music cue sheets before. I generally use public domain or creative commons type music. I usually just print a copy of the place where I got the music. I'm planning a new project and it might be a good idea to start using these. This is just a quick sweep to get me up to speed. Use what you like and pass it on... BMI information on Music Cue Sheets http://www.bmi.com/career/entry/533132 Royalty Free TV info on Cue Sheets http://www.royalty-free.tv/rftv/cuesheets.htm Sample ASCAP Cue Sheet (PDF) http://www.ascap.com/musicbiz/cue_sheet_corner/pdf/SampleCueSheet.pdf Spreadsheet Cue Sheet http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/production/docs/musiccuesheet.xls Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I have produced a TV Show or TV promo we fill out music cue sheets that list the composer, the publisher and the music company. We then file them with the TV Network and the TV Network then files those papers with the music licensing company that we got the music from in the first place. I expect that all of us online video producers will have to do something similar in the next few years. Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @ http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes http://1timstreet.com http://twitter.com/1timstreet On May 29, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Ron Watson wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Brightcove was using this as an excuse to get rid of a small content provider. It seems as if their entire business model changed in late '07. How long have you been with Brightcove and would you consider yourself a 'small' content provider. Cheers, Ron Watson On May 28, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Roxanne Darling wrote: Sheila - You are the best at sharing your experiences. I think this is overly extreme, and yes, very few would make it through their entire compliance process. We don't use Brightcove; this is a good reason not to. Not sure if anyone from their company is on the list; maybe they are listening? Aloha, Rox On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Brian Richardson - WhatTheCast? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Brightcove's response to your evidence is a sign to stop using them ... If their auditor can't accept the information from the music publisher, then their audit process is flawed. Any artist with a publisher lets the publisher handle licensing, and Brightcove should know this. On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:03 pm, Sheila English wrote: I wanted to know if anyone else has had a similar experience with Brightcove or any other hosting site. A Brightcove rep contacted me to say they would be pulling down one of my videos due to copyright infringement. Since I legally license or create everything I use, I knew there was a mistake. He said that Brightcove now hires a third party auditor to review user content for copyright violations and terms of service violations. Their third party auditor identified the music in my video as copyrighted material. I had 5 days to respond. I responded by sending my official license for the copyright of the song, which I paid for and the receipt for. They said they couldn't take my receipt or the copy of the license given to me when I purchased the license for the use of the song. So I had to involve the company I purchased the music from. That company went through the trouble of verifying the license to Brightcove. Then Brightcove said that's not good enough. Now I have to have the copyright holder, the person who created the music, contact them. And, that person had to use the official Brightcove paperwork, fill it out, send it in, or my video would be taken down. I don't know about any of you, but hunting down the musician, getting him/her/them to fill out an official form for you and submit it seems a bit overkill to me. I understand the copyright issue. I do. But, what other difficulties will this kind of strict auditing and process cause content creators? Next will it be my stock footage and I'll have to find the camera operator? Do you see this as the future of creating original content? Because this makes it terribly hard on the individuals or small companies. Or maybe I'm just a big whiny, baby and everyone else deals with this as a standard part of doing business? Sheila Yahoo! Groups Links Brian Richardson - http://whatthecast.com - http://siliconchef.com - http://dragoncontv.com - http://www.3chip.com -- Roxanne Darling o ke
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright and Brightcove
Awesome give-back Gena. Thank you! Rox On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Gena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just catching up on this thread. I have never heard of music cue sheets before. I generally use public domain or creative commons type music. I usually just print a copy of the place where I got the music. I'm planning a new project and it might be a good idea to start using these. This is just a quick sweep to get me up to speed. Use what you like and pass it on... BMI information on Music Cue Sheets http://www.bmi.com/career/entry/533132 Royalty Free TV info on Cue Sheets http://www.royalty-free.tv/rftv/cuesheets.htm Sample ASCAP Cue Sheet (PDF) http://www.ascap.com/musicbiz/cue_sheet_corner/pdf/SampleCueSheet.pdf Spreadsheet Cue Sheet http://www.regent.edu/acad/schcom/production/docs/musiccuesheet.xls Gena --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com, Tim Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every time I have produced a TV Show or TV promo we fill out music cue sheets that list the composer, the publisher and the music company. We then file them with the TV Network and the TV Network then files those papers with the music licensing company that we got the music from in the first place. I expect that all of us online video producers will have to do something similar in the next few years. Tim Street Creator/Executive Producer French Maid TV Add French Maid TV to Your iTunes @ http://frenchmaidtv.com/itunes http://1timstreet.com http://twitter.com/1timstreet On May 29, 2008, at 7:11 AM, Ron Watson wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if Brightcove was using this as an excuse to get rid of a small content provider. It seems as if their entire business model changed in late '07. How long have you been with Brightcove and would you consider yourself a 'small' content provider. Cheers, Ron Watson On May 28, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Roxanne Darling wrote: Sheila - You are the best at sharing your experiences. I think this is overly extreme, and yes, very few would make it through their entire compliance process. We don't use Brightcove; this is a good reason not to. Not sure if anyone from their company is on the list; maybe they are listening? Aloha, Rox On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Brian Richardson - WhatTheCast? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Brightcove's response to your evidence is a sign to stop using them ... If their auditor can't accept the information from the music publisher, then their audit process is flawed. Any artist with a publisher lets the publisher handle licensing, and Brightcove should know this. On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:03 pm, Sheila English wrote: I wanted to know if anyone else has had a similar experience with Brightcove or any other hosting site. A Brightcove rep contacted me to say they would be pulling down one of my videos due to copyright infringement. Since I legally license or create everything I use, I knew there was a mistake. He said that Brightcove now hires a third party auditor to review user content for copyright violations and terms of service violations. Their third party auditor identified the music in my video as copyrighted material. I had 5 days to respond. I responded by sending my official license for the copyright of the song, which I paid for and the receipt for. They said they couldn't take my receipt or the copy of the license given to me when I purchased the license for the use of the song. So I had to involve the company I purchased the music from. That company went through the trouble of verifying the license to Brightcove. Then Brightcove said that's not good enough. Now I have to have the copyright holder, the person who created the music, contact them. And, that person had to use the official Brightcove paperwork, fill it out, send it in, or my video would be taken down. I don't know about any of you, but hunting down the musician, getting him/her/them to fill out an official form for you and submit it seems a bit overkill to me. I understand the copyright issue. I do. But, what other difficulties will this kind of strict auditing and process cause content creators? Next will it be my stock footage and I'll have to find the camera operator? Do you see this as the future of creating original content? Because this makes it terribly hard on the individuals or small companies. Or maybe I'm just a big whiny, baby and everyone else deals with this as a standard part of doing business? Sheila
[videoblogging] Re: Copyright and Brightcove
+1. It's not worth it to have to wonder WHETHER your next episode is going to be accepted or rejected. Find another company with similar functionality that you like and repost or move your materials there. Bill Cammack http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sheila - You are the best at sharing your experiences. I think this is overly extreme, and yes, very few would make it through their entire compliance process. We don't use Brightcove; this is a good reason not to. Not sure if anyone from their company is on the list; maybe they are listening? Aloha, Rox On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Brian Richardson - WhatTheCast? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Brightcove's response to your evidence is a sign to stop using them ... If their auditor can't accept the information from the music publisher, then their audit process is flawed. Any artist with a publisher lets the publisher handle licensing, and Brightcove should know this. On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:03 pm, Sheila English wrote: I wanted to know if anyone else has had a similar experience with Brightcove or any other hosting site. A Brightcove rep contacted me to say they would be pulling down one of my videos due to copyright infringement. Since I legally license or create everything I use, I knew there was a mistake. He said that Brightcove now hires a third party auditor to review user content for copyright violations and terms of service violations. Their third party auditor identified the music in my video as copyrighted material. I had 5 days to respond. I responded by sending my official license for the copyright of the song, which I paid for and the receipt for. They said they couldn't take my receipt or the copy of the license given to me when I purchased the license for the use of the song. So I had to involve the company I purchased the music from. That company went through the trouble of verifying the license to Brightcove. Then Brightcove said that's not good enough. Now I have to have the copyright holder, the person who created the music, contact them. And, that person had to use the official Brightcove paperwork, fill it out, send it in, or my video would be taken down. I don't know about any of you, but hunting down the musician, getting him/her/them to fill out an official form for you and submit it seems a bit overkill to me. I understand the copyright issue. I do. But, what other difficulties will this kind of strict auditing and process cause content creators? Next will it be my stock footage and I'll have to find the camera operator? Do you see this as the future of creating original content? Because this makes it terribly hard on the individuals or small companies. Or maybe I'm just a big whiny, baby and everyone else deals with this as a standard part of doing business? Sheila Yahoo! Groups Links Brian Richardson - http://whatthecast.com - http://siliconchef.com - http://dragoncontv.com - http://www.3chip.com -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Copyright and Brightcove
That's an insanely convoluted and backwards way to do business. Get out of there. Move to Blip, or rent server space from a hosting provider. With all the video hosting services out there, they should be competing for your content by making it as easy as possible for you, not making you jump through ridiculous hoops for the honor and luxury of using them. On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Bill Cammack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1. It's not worth it to have to wonder WHETHER your next episode is going to be accepted or rejected. Find another company with similar functionality that you like and repost or move your materials there. Bill Cammack http://BillCammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Roxanne Darling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sheila - You are the best at sharing your experiences. I think this is overly extreme, and yes, very few would make it through their entire compliance process. We don't use Brightcove; this is a good reason not to. Not sure if anyone from their company is on the list; maybe they are listening? Aloha, Rox On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Brian Richardson - WhatTheCast? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Brightcove's response to your evidence is a sign to stop using them ... If their auditor can't accept the information from the music publisher, then their audit process is flawed. Any artist with a publisher lets the publisher handle licensing, and Brightcove should know this. On Wed, 28 May 2008 12:03 pm, Sheila English wrote: I wanted to know if anyone else has had a similar experience with Brightcove or any other hosting site. A Brightcove rep contacted me to say they would be pulling down one of my videos due to copyright infringement. Since I legally license or create everything I use, I knew there was a mistake. He said that Brightcove now hires a third party auditor to review user content for copyright violations and terms of service violations. Their third party auditor identified the music in my video as copyrighted material. I had 5 days to respond. I responded by sending my official license for the copyright of the song, which I paid for and the receipt for. They said they couldn't take my receipt or the copy of the license given to me when I purchased the license for the use of the song. So I had to involve the company I purchased the music from. That company went through the trouble of verifying the license to Brightcove. Then Brightcove said that's not good enough. Now I have to have the copyright holder, the person who created the music, contact them. And, that person had to use the official Brightcove paperwork, fill it out, send it in, or my video would be taken down. I don't know about any of you, but hunting down the musician, getting him/her/them to fill out an official form for you and submit it seems a bit overkill to me. I understand the copyright issue. I do. But, what other difficulties will this kind of strict auditing and process cause content creators? Next will it be my stock footage and I'll have to find the camera operator? Do you see this as the future of creating original content? Because this makes it terribly hard on the individuals or small companies. Or maybe I'm just a big whiny, baby and everyone else deals with this as a standard part of doing business? Sheila Yahoo! Groups Links Brian Richardson - http://whatthecast.com - http://siliconchef.com - http://dragoncontv.com - http://www.3chip.com -- Roxanne Darling o ke kai means of the sea in hawaiian Join us at the reef! Mermaid videos, geeks talking, and lots more http://reef.beachwalks.tv 808-384-5554 Video -- http://www.beachwalks.tv Company -- http://www.barefeetstudios.com Twitter-- http://www.twitter.com/roxannedarling [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
