[videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Eric Rice]

Funnily enough, those sites with flash videos seem to be able to keep a lot of 
people 
hanging around. That sorta sounds like a community if you put enough comment 
fields 
there.

I mean, it's not like RSS is this push technology which comes to you and does 
not 
inherently incite people to stay in one place. Oh wait. Nevermind.

I'm just sayin', it's something to think about.

Also, I use flash *and* RSS, and people use both, and more viewers prefer 
flash. My 
viewers are not millions of remixers. In fact, they take the media and run... 
that stupid 
little ipod and such playing video. /sarcasm!

And I hate to sound all cranky, but don't tell me for a second that Strongbad, 
Homestar 
Runner, Happy Tree Friends, etc etc *don't* have a community that is cared 
about quite 
deeply. Unless by proclaim such adamant hatred of flash, we're invariably 
giving the finger 
to animators.

Making MEDIA means just that. It's not about audio or video. Or animation. Or 
machinima. 
It's everything. EVERYTHING.

And if some 10 year old kid uses flash to make the next Simpsons, well screw 
you, bucko. 
That technology sucks. 

Okay, back in my cave. I need decaf. 

Eric

PS. I'm not attacking anyone in particular on these points, I'm genereally 
thowing up my 
hands and screaming GOOD GRIEF ALREADY for the 8 millionth time.

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> >From: "Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Flash is popular with people who don't care so much about community, 
> > including (most important to me) allowing for mashups of their own or 
> > others' works.
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> > Jan
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>   Could it possibly be that..
>
>   ... people who display their videos in flash care more about their 
> community because 
they know their flash videos can be seen by more of the community with far less 
hassles?
>
>   Or people who use flash video don't worry so much about the tiny part of 
> the 
community that want to reedit their videos and are in fact more in tune to the 
larger 
communty that just want to watch the videos faster and with far less hassle?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Brad Webb]

Obviously I'm out of town when this thread hits...

Yes, I entirely agree with where this ended up. Flash is not an 
end-all-be-all -- there is *no* end-all-be-all.

And I agree, innovation in this area is not done, it's barely started. 
Needless to say, we've got cool stuff on the go. =) The mantra we keep 
slamming -- "*do* something with video" -- is more than a hypeline, I 
live/breathe/sleep that every day (more than I care to actually admit); 
that being said, not every method is for everyone. Lots of folks are 
format zealots, and I totally appreciate that. This is why I usually do 
my talkbacks on most threads directly to folks.. I don't want to feel 
like I'm cramming some company line (format, the "right way" etc) down 
anyone's throat. Folks SHOULD and ARE trying different methods, 
services, formats, etc out, and I am totally supportive of other folks 
in the space who provide different, meaningful and valuable tools to the 
community... as I've said a few times, I personally (heart) blip, 
vlogdir, fireant, mefeedia and ourmedia/IA, and would love to work more 
with these folks.

Mike Lanza wrote:

>For those who don't have the time or inclination to dive into ActionScript, 
>the value of 
>Flash video is represented by the sites that use it.  As I've said before, 
>there is a growing 
>number of sites using it, but these sites have only shown the tip of the 
>iceberg of what can 
>be done with ActionScript and Flash video.  Off the top of my head, the only 
>one that has 
>done anything interesting at all is vSocial, and that's not an awful lot.
>
>So, for now, Flash video seems like it's gaining market share without 
>delivering any 
>benefits over what it's replacing.
>
>Stay tuned.  There's sooo much that Flash can do for video that hasn't been 
>shown yet.  
>Specifically, I'm talking about rich interactive applications where "using" 
>video isn't a 
>simple matter of pressing play and kicking back.
>
>--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>I agree with this.
>>In fact I've posted a very elegant WordPress FLV plugin here several times.
>>I think that is a great option for videobloggers. But Flash is not the be
>>all and end all. Other format options for download/syndication are very
>>important.
>>
>>-Josh
>>
>>
>>On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>but you can transcode other formats to flv.
>>>and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some
>>>interactivity being discussed here.  these are free or cheap. just need a
>>>server to upload it to so it can be used on the web.  you dont have to buy
>>>or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional.
>>>
>>>the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But
>>>DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects.  DO
>>>provide mp4 etc...
>>>
>>>balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end
>>>up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies.
>>>
>>>sull
>>>
>>>On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Flash is used by service providers... "upload your video here" types
of services.
This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own video
on the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too
expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not a
cheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understanding
the intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback and
syndication is not easy.

I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough for
an individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relying
on a third party service.


-Josh



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[videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Mike Lanza]

For those who don't have the time or inclination to dive into ActionScript, the 
value of 
Flash video is represented by the sites that use it.  As I've said before, 
there is a growing 
number of sites using it, but these sites have only shown the tip of the 
iceberg of what can 
be done with ActionScript and Flash video.  Off the top of my head, the only 
one that has 
done anything interesting at all is vSocial, and that's not an awful lot.

So, for now, Flash video seems like it's gaining market share without 
delivering any 
benefits over what it's replacing.

Stay tuned.  There's sooo much that Flash can do for video that hasn't been 
shown yet.  
Specifically, I'm talking about rich interactive applications where "using" 
video isn't a 
simple matter of pressing play and kicking back.

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I agree with this.
> In fact I've posted a very elegant WordPress FLV plugin here several times.
> I think that is a great option for videobloggers. But Flash is not the be
> all and end all. Other format options for download/syndication are very
> important.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > but you can transcode other formats to flv.
> > and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some
> > interactivity being discussed here.  these are free or cheap. just need a
> > server to upload it to so it can be used on the web.  you dont have to buy
> > or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional.
> >
> > the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But
> > DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects.  DO
> > provide mp4 etc...
> >
> > balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end
> > up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies.
> >
> > sull
> >
> > On 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Flash is used by service providers... "upload your video here" types
> > > of services.
> > > This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own video
> > > on the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too
> > > expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not a
> > > cheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understanding
> > > the intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback and
> > > syndication is not easy.
> > >
> > > I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough for
> > > an individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relying
> > > on a third party service.
> > > 
> > >
> > > -Josh
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Joshua Kinberg]

I agree with this.
In fact I've posted a very elegant WordPress FLV plugin here several times.
I think that is a great option for videobloggers. But Flash is not the
be all and end all. Other format options for download/syndication are
very important.

-Josh
On 1/10/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



but you can transcode other formats to flv.and you can use a
flash wrapper/player which can provide some interactivity being
discussed here.  these are free or cheap. just need a server to
upload it to so it can be used on the web.  you dont have to buy
or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional.  the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use
flash. But DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your
projects.  DO provide mp4 etc... balance
experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end up
limiting your creativity and use of available technologies.
sullOn 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Flash is used by service providers... "upload your video here" typesof services.This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own videoon the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too
expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not acheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understandingthe intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback andsyndication is not easy.
I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough foran individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relyingon a third party service.-Josh

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Michael Sullivan]

but you can transcode other formats to flv.and you can use a flash wrapper/player which can provide some interactivity being discussed here.  these are free or cheap. just need a server to upload it to so it can be used on the web.  you dont have to buy or use expensive Flash MX 2004 Professional.  
the important point, to reiterate here is NOT to ONLY use flash. But DONT avoid it when you can feasibly incorporate it into your projects.  DO provide mp4 etc... balance experiment dont be fooled by partial truths which can end up limiting your creativity and use of available technologies.
sullOn 1/10/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Flash is used by service providers... "upload your video here" typesof services.This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own videoon the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too
expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not acheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understandingthe intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback andsyndication is not easy.
I think Flash is great on the web. But it is not yet easy enough foran individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relyingon a third party service.-Josh
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Joshua Kinberg]

Flash is used by service providers... "upload your video here" types
of services.
This is fine, but for an independent who wants to post their own video
on the web, dealing with Flash is still for the most part too
expensive and too complicated. Flash MX 2004 Professional is not a
cheap program. Understanding actionscipt is not easy. Understanding
the intricacies of Flash and how to make it work for both playback and
syndication is not easy.

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an individual, low budget, one-person production unit without relying
on a third party service.


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Michael Sullivan]

great reply, michael.we've been talking about flash video over on vlogtheory and the issues of it being closed right now... as per th epoints you made here only recently mostly since vsocial came about i started to change my tune and stopped pissing on flash.  so despite all these negatives that I, you and others have pointed out about flash video i still see that it has a place in the vlogosphere, as one part of the total use of Internet -based video infrastructure.  
it makes sense to use flash video for what it is currently meant to be used for while concurrently using other formats, pref quicktime compatible formats, for distributing to local computers and mobile devices where it can be played, remixed, edited, repurposed, redistributed etc.  
If I were an organized videoblogger, which i'm currently not (i'm evil like that), and i launched a new vlog and seeked an audience. I would make my video content available in flash for the web-side (blog) as primary playback format my vodcast channels would have format filters for each relevent device video iPod (mp4,m4v), 3gp, divx, TiVo, PSP, XBOX and flv.
FLV would hook into a slick and robust flash playback engine with all sorts of interactive features with a skin branded to my project.  It would work with XML as its playlist and configuration control so it can easily be dynamc and customizable.  This flash player would reside on my videoblog... a user could choose to just watch my videos in it, or browse my actual vlog posts like is done today. But the videoblog playlist will offer an easy and entertaining experience to watch the VIDEO which is the core content.  Within each video, could easily jump to the vlog permalink etc...
It can all be connected... even comments can be made within the flash player, and appear in the vlog post as usual connected. So, my vision is a balanced use of all technologies.  It always comes down to balance for me.
We can debate the good, bad and ugly of all the technology that floats around in the vlogosphere but at the end of the day, it is best to take what works, and make it work for you in creative ways.It doesnt even mandate much effort as we'll see services like vsocial continue to innovate in this area.  If you are technically inclined, you can build all of what i talk about yourself.  Either way, you would be using the best variety to bring your video content to an audience, wherever and whoever that audience is made up of.  
It's about taking a format and juicing it for all its worth to you.If this didnt have some truth to it, mefeedia wouldnt be pulling in and working with services that are focused on using flash.  Anyone interested in what flash can do for a video content creator, please visit 
VSocial.comsullOn 1/10/06, Michael Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I must agree with Josh, though Mike I did find your fresh perspectiveand information very insightful. As I see it while the aquisition of
Macromedia by Adobe and the video share market does bode well for theflash format I still see it as a niche tool which will have to fightdeperately to move beyond the web as a platform or even to keep upwith the web platform. Here are three specific points.
1) It's closed... it's got issues with accessibility andinteroperability... this to both developers (programmers and mediamakers) and end users. if Macromedia opened up the file format andmade a standard out of it and let others compete on that platform...
and develop to it just as long as they supported macromedias spec...even if they didn't allow others to extend the specification I thinkit would be a very powerful move... that MIGHT get it included inQuicktime and other media players... AND especially in devices like
Treo's, handhelds, Tivo's, the PSP, iPods and other future devices.Flash is the ONLY video player I know in fact that supports it... andI'm not just talking video RSS aggregator either... I mean ANYplayer. Not even VLC or Mplayer support it I believe... and they're
becoming the stock and standard video players... though still work inprogress they support everything.In fact I think Flash is dying to bust out because there is so muchgreat flash specific content... stuff with light interactivity and
especially animation work. There's no denying it's a great format,it's just not accessible and interoperable.  Adobe for example hasbecome the defacto standard with PDF... and that's because theyopened it up... now other people can develop to it and publish to
it... I see Macromedia Flash in very much a similar role. They needto focus more on making Flash accessible and interoperable.2) It's not for video... it is infact not a video tool... it is aniche tool... it doesn't function like video, it doesn't play like
video... it doesn't play back in most video playback tools...  FlASHIS A NICHE TOOL... it's carved out quite a niche for itself but it'smade it's bed and now it has to lye in it. As mentioned above it'sniche is 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

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On 12/21/05, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Yes, FireAnt does play SWF files. But Flash video is not a SWF. It is
an FLV loaded into a SWF.. often loaded externally via relative link
within the Flash file. This type of scenario often breaks syndication
because it cannot be viewed offline or from a local hard drive.
this is an option the creator can change though? they can embed the movie file within the swf. i just import my footage straight into flash and export as SWF, don't even use FLV.d
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Michael Meiser]

I must agree with Josh, though Mike I did find your fresh perspective  
and information very insightful. As I see it while the aquisition of  
Macromedia by Adobe and the video share market does bode well for the  
flash format I still see it as a niche tool which will have to fight  
deperately to move beyond the web as a platform or even to keep up  
with the web platform. Here are three specific points.

1) It's closed... it's got issues with accessibility and  
interoperability... this to both developers (programmers and media  
makers) and end users. if Macromedia opened up the file format and  
made a standard out of it and let others compete on that platform...  
and develop to it just as long as they supported macromedias spec...  
even if they didn't allow others to extend the specification I think  
it would be a very powerful move... that MIGHT get it included in  
Quicktime and other media players... AND especially in devices like  
Treo's, handhelds, Tivo's, the PSP, iPods and other future devices.  
Flash is the ONLY video player I know in fact that supports it... and  
I'm not just talking video RSS aggregator either... I mean ANY  
player. Not even VLC or Mplayer support it I believe... and they're  
becoming the stock and standard video players... though still work in  
progress they support everything.

In fact I think Flash is dying to bust out because there is so much  
great flash specific content... stuff with light interactivity and  
especially animation work. There's no denying it's a great format,  
it's just not accessible and interoperable.  Adobe for example has  
become the defacto standard with PDF... and that's because they  
opened it up... now other people can develop to it and publish to  
it... I see Macromedia Flash in very much a similar role. They need  
to focus more on making Flash accessible and interoperable.

2) It's not for video... it is infact not a video tool... it is a  
niche tool... it doesn't function like video, it doesn't play like  
video... it doesn't play back in most video playback tools...  FlASH  
IS A NICHE TOOL... it's carved out quite a niche for itself but it's  
made it's bed and now it has to lye in it. As mentioned above it's  
niche is interactivity and animation. That said I think it's the  
preferred format of choice for viral media makers... i.e. jibjab...  
because it is so portable, light and quick to load... It's definitely  
the most portable of all media formats... accept for beyond the web  
browser... to date not a single non web browser device supports it...  
no portable video players, no cell phones... nada. In order to get  
out of this niche they're going to have to bust a cap in point number  
one this will over time change point number two when it's becomes  
more standard in video playback tools and they learn to make it  
function more like video... from allowing outside standardized  
playback control to supporting ID3 meta info.

3) DRM... it employs some sort of soft fucked up DRM... it pisses me  
off and it's enough to be a pain in the ass... but it has no hard  
core DRM aimed at Hollywood... Now I say this hating DRM... because  
DROM is law encoded through technology and inaccessible to basic  
HUMANS... and laws must remain accessible to humans in order for the  
planet to remain humane and fair (as in fair use that thing that  
people keep forgetting about) and I'm not just talking about fair  
use and playback for the end user... I also mean keeping markets and  
distribution open and accessible too... i.e. we should ALL have the  
same rights under the law... i.e. clearly apple's Fairplay makes law  
a commodity...if DRM should become the standard... than to the extent  
it becomes a standard it becomes tyranical, and anti-competitive...  
even racketeering... clearly it's pay up or you'll get no access to  
apple's marketplace... this will only get worse in the future

But enough of my viewpoints on DRM... The point is macromedia needs  
to make some real policy on DRM to attract hollywood... My suggestion  
would be to simultaneously make the format more open and more  
closed... like apple's iPod... make a default publishing state that  
allows for editing, format shifting, sharing... and make one or two  
DRM states for increasing levels of evilness so so called big media  
or "hollywood" will be encouraged to use the platform. Let the DRM  
compete on the same platform with free and open as Apple is doing...  
clearly free and open content is winning... just look at podcasting  
as a business vs. Apple's music sales... I'll bet you a beer there's  
more revenue in podcasting and vlogging by the end of 2006 than there  
is in apple music sales... Yes, I'm saying little media is going to  
kick big media's ass on the ipod platform... crazy I know, but not  
only do open markets encourage innovation... but open markets  
distribute wealth far more equitably too...  Big grin... :)  It's the  
same st

Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Joshua Kinberg]

Yes, FireAnt does play SWF files. But Flash video is not a SWF. It is
an FLV loaded into a SWF.. often loaded externally via relative link
within the Flash file. This type of scenario often breaks syndication
because it cannot be viewed offline or from a local hard drive.
Syndicating the raw FLV file is preferrable as it doesn't require any
dependencies on networked resources, but it is a little more difficult
to play as FLV doesn't play natively within Flash player -- it must be
loaded inside a SWF controller.

-josh
On 12/21/05, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought FireAnt accepted SWF files - I seem to remember mine showing
up just fine. I mostly use SWF, and those files get the most downloads
on my site, wherever those are coming from. I compress them with
Sorenson Squeeze. I've only recently started using FLV in order to work with
the elegant Flash video player that was recommended on this list. The
downside is that I have to compress in both SWF and FLV. The upside is
that I can now see how many people are viewing the video within the
page (few) vs taking it as a feed from elsewhere.
I also use QuickTime Pro to compress the files as M4Vs for
iTunes. And some files I also do as high-quality WMVs for viewing on
Nessuno.TV.Doing all this, plus the RSS feed, manually, because
I don't use blog software (I like to have more control over my site's
structure). It's a pain, but gets the results I want.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Deirdre Straughan]

I thought FireAnt accepted SWF files - I seem to remember mine showing up just fine. I mostly use SWF, and those files get the most downloads on my site, wherever those are coming from. I compress them with Sorenson Squeeze. 
I've only recently started using FLV in order to work with the elegant Flash video player that was recommended on this list. The downside is that I have to compress in both SWF and FLV. The upside is that I can now see how many people are viewing the video within the page (few) vs taking it as a feed from elsewhere.
I also use QuickTime Pro to compress the files as M4Vs for iTunes. And some files I also do as high-quality WMVs for viewing on Nessuno.TV.Doing all this, plus the RSS feed, manually, because I don't use blog software (I like to have more control over my site's structure). It's a pain, but gets the results I want.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

[Joshua Kinberg]

FireAnt on Mac handles Flash video if you syndicate the FLV file via
RSS enclosures.
Not currently available in the Windows version of FireAnt, but its on
our roadmap.

I would anticipate WMV gaining more traction in the
download/sync-to-device market for major media outlets due to Windows
DRM.

Apple does not share their DRM with others, so if you want to sell DRM
protected content for the iPod you must go through the iTunes Store...
this is why you are seeing MSM content owners line up for entrance to
iTunes Store. But, there are other MSM content owners seeking more
flexibility than what is offered by Apple. They will have to go for
WMV with Windows DRM if that's the case... though I'm not sure I'd
really call that flexible either.

I don't see Flash video as a solution for this scenario yet, though it
is a decent solution if you expect all your viewers to watch the
content online embedded in a webpage.

-Josh


On 12/20/05, Mike Lanza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Currently, it is not possible to play flv's (Flash video files) on an iPod.
>
> However, Flash video is taking off like a rocket.  Most of the major new big
> media sites are using it (e.g. video.google.com, espn.go.com,
> labs.reuters.com/video, www.brightcove.com, etc.).  Most of these have come
> up in the last three months.  For instance, Google just changed to Flash
> video less than two months ago.  Someone I trust told me that a little over
> a year ago, Flash video accounted for 1% of all web video, but now, it's at
> about 20%.
>
> In addition, the acquisition of Macromedia by Adobe, completed a few weeks
> ago, bodes very well for Flash video.  Adobe has a heck of a lot more muscle
> than Macromedia had.
>
> So, with Adobe, Google, ESPN, Reuters, and others all pushing Flash video
> now, I'd say that there's an awful lot of momentum behind it.  I'm sure that
> more and more sites will adopt it, but it will be interesting to see if
> Apple is persuaded to adopt it for the iPod.  It certainly does make sense
> because of its ubiquity on Mac and Windows (why keep fighting so hard to get
> QuickTime players on Windows?) and because of its fabulous environment for
> video-based application development.
>
> I videoblog for the Detroit News political blog -
> http://spartanedge.com/blogs/detroitnews/index.html -
>
> But because I use Flash, it seems that I can't get on on aggregators.
>  Is that still true?  Seems off to me because I really think Flash is
> a cool way to offer vid.
>
> Another concern - I am not sure how to offer up video for the iPod --
> I squeezed my video through Sorenson into a "small" MPEG-4And then
> I offer a link that allows people to download it.  But I do not have
> an iPod and wondered if it works OK.  I have no way to check.
>
>
> I also wondered how many of you also offer an MP3 podcast of your
> videoblog.  I try to do that but don't know if it works well.
>
> Thanks -
>
> Bonnie B
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>
>
>
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[videoblogging] Re: Flash, video iPod and offering MP3 podcasts

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Currently, it is not possible to play flv's (Flash video files) on an iPod.  However, Flash video is taking off like a rocket.  Most of the major new big media sites are using it (e.g. video.google.com, espn.go.com, labs.reuters.com/video, www.brightcove.com, etc.).  Most of these have come up in the last three months.  For instance, Google just changed to Flash video less than two months ago.  Someone I trust told me that a little over a year ago, Flash video accounted for 1% of all web video, but now, it's at about 20%.In addition, the acquisition of Macromedia by Adobe, completed a few weeks ago, bodes very well for Flash video.  Adobe has a heck of a lot more muscle than Macromedia had.So, with Adobe, Google, ESPN, Reuters, and others all pushing Flash video now, I'd say that there's an awful lot of momentum behind it.  I'm sure that more and more sites will adopt it, but it will be interesting to see if Apple is persuaded to adopt it for the iPod.  It certainly does make sense because of its ubiquity on Mac and Windows (why keep fighting so hard to get QuickTime players on Windows?) and because of its fabulous environment for video-based application development.I videoblog for the Detroit News political blog -http://spartanedge.com/blogs/detroitnews/index.html -But because I use Flash, it seems that I can't get on on aggregators. Is that still true?  Seems off to me because I really think Flash isa cool way to offer vid.Another concern - I am not sure how to offer up video for the iPod --I squeezed my video through Sorenson into a "small" MPEG-4    And thenI offer a link that allows people to download it.  But I do not havean iPod and wondered if it works OK.  I have no way to check.I also wondered how many of you also offer an MP3 podcast of yourvideoblog.  I try to do that but don't know if it works well.Thanks -Bonnie B -Mike Lanza[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://family.lanza.net415-641-1985- 

  




  
  
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