Re: [videoblogging] Re: French Against iTunes Store
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: French Against iTunes Store
Hello,On 3/22/06, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:[...] Where do we fit in? Well, with podcasting we tried our hardest to makesure we used a non-DRM semi-open format (mp3) so with videoblogging, canwe do the same? Should we do the same?I wrote about this just a while ago. Please refer to this: http://maketelevision.com/log/why_ogg_theora_matters_for_internet_tvSee ya -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.casupercanadian @ gmail.comdeveloper weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/___ Make Televisionhttp://maketelevision.com/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: French Against iTunes Store
> Where do we fit in? Well, with podcasting we tried our hardest to make > sure we used a non-DRM semi-open format (mp3) so with videoblogging, can > we do the same? Should we do the same? I think the reason for using MP3 for podcasting had little to do with DRM and more to do with interoperability. Every audio player out there supports MP3. On the creation side, making MP3s is also very easy. In terms of video, interoperability between devices and formats is horribly fragmented. On the creation side... outputting your video to various video formats is non-trivial. -Josh On 3/22/06, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua Kinberg wrote: > > The other thing about iTunes/iPod is that no one else can sell > > copy-protected music for the iPod because iPod only supports Apple's > > DRM (which Apple does not allow anyone else to use). So its a > > completely closed system. No one else can sell copy-protected files > > for the iPod. You could sell non-DRM MP3 files, but often that is not > > secure enough for major companies to get on board with. So, it creates > > a monopoly. This is the kind of practice that people railed against > > Microsoft for engaging in only a few short years ago. > > Sadly, we sit between a rock and a hard place. Apple made it easy to buy > audio, and (fairly) easy to remove the DRM from that audio, but the > system is still (somewhat) closed. Of course Apple is sort of between a > rock and a hard place as well, since they need to please the record > companies, and their own iTunes/iPod customers. I don't think there are > any easy answers. > > Of course, as someone mentioned, you can easily purchase audio from the > iTMS, burn it to an 'audio' cd and then rip from there. Technically, > this works well, legally, they now say it's breaking the law (even > though it was previously legal.) Suxors for all of us. > > Where do we fit in? Well, with podcasting we tried our hardest to make > sure we used a non-DRM semi-open format (mp3) so with videoblogging, can > we do the same? Should we do the same? > > Pete > > -- > http://tinkernet.org/ > videoblog for the future... > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: French Against iTunes Store
Joshua Kinberg wrote: > The other thing about iTunes/iPod is that no one else can sell > copy-protected music for the iPod because iPod only supports Apple's > DRM (which Apple does not allow anyone else to use). So its a > completely closed system. No one else can sell copy-protected files > for the iPod. You could sell non-DRM MP3 files, but often that is not > secure enough for major companies to get on board with. So, it creates > a monopoly. This is the kind of practice that people railed against > Microsoft for engaging in only a few short years ago. Sadly, we sit between a rock and a hard place. Apple made it easy to buy audio, and (fairly) easy to remove the DRM from that audio, but the system is still (somewhat) closed. Of course Apple is sort of between a rock and a hard place as well, since they need to please the record companies, and their own iTunes/iPod customers. I don't think there are any easy answers. Of course, as someone mentioned, you can easily purchase audio from the iTMS, burn it to an 'audio' cd and then rip from there. Technically, this works well, legally, they now say it's breaking the law (even though it was previously legal.) Suxors for all of us. Where do we fit in? Well, with podcasting we tried our hardest to make sure we used a non-DRM semi-open format (mp3) so with videoblogging, can we do the same? Should we do the same? Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: French Against iTunes Store
I agree, a closed system no matter who it is from creates problems for us as in the end user, I should not have to break laws to listen to music I have leagaly purchased on whatever device I own. That is just stupid, IMHO Heath - Batman Geek http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The other thing about iTunes/iPod is that no one else can sell > copy-protected music for the iPod because iPod only supports Apple's > DRM (which Apple does not allow anyone else to use). So its a > completely closed system. No one else can sell copy-protected files > for the iPod. You could sell non-DRM MP3 files, but often that is not > secure enough for major companies to get on board with. So, it creates > a monopoly. This is the kind of practice that people railed against > Microsoft for engaging in only a few short years ago. > > -Josh > > > On 3/22/06, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No iTunes proprietary system that sells music that can be sold on a > > single playerthe iPod. Yes songs can be burned to a CD and re- > > ripped but that's also a violation of the license. It's a > > monopolistic practice, and monopolies are bad for business. It's a > > good move by France I think against this ridiculous DRM HELL we > > currently find ourselves in. > > > > Bill Streeter > > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS > > www.lofistl.com > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga wrote: > > > > > > Is it just me? I don't quite get what France is trying to do. You > > can > > > burn songs you download from the iTunes Store to a CD and then > > rip > > > for any player. So why are they claiming that Apple's Store and > > the > > > iPod are a closed system? This seems like mostly a technological > > > ignorance than a real "argument". Even NBC reported this morning > > that > > > songs you buy at the iTunes Store "can only be played on an iPod" > > > which is simply not the truth. What's up with this journalistic/ > > > legislative failure to understand and report/legislate based on > > the > > > facts? > > > > > > If France outlaws the iTunes Store, it will also hurt us if Apple > > > doesn't separate all the free podcasts from what they have for > > sale > > > that is mis-perceived as only playable on iPods. > > > > > > -- > > > Taylor Barcroft > > > New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, > > Futurecaster > > > Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley > > > URL http://FutureMedia.org > > > RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia > > > iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 > > > barcroft (gizmo) > > > kungax (Skype) > > > kungag5 (iChat-AIM) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: French Against iTunes Store
The other thing about iTunes/iPod is that no one else can sell copy-protected music for the iPod because iPod only supports Apple's DRM (which Apple does not allow anyone else to use). So its a completely closed system. No one else can sell copy-protected files for the iPod. You could sell non-DRM MP3 files, but often that is not secure enough for major companies to get on board with. So, it creates a monopoly. This is the kind of practice that people railed against Microsoft for engaging in only a few short years ago. -Josh On 3/22/06, Bill Streeter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No iTunes proprietary system that sells music that can be sold on a > single player—the iPod. Yes songs can be burned to a CD and re- > ripped but that's also a violation of the license. It's a > monopolistic practice, and monopolies are bad for business. It's a > good move by France I think against this ridiculous DRM HELL we > currently find ourselves in. > > Bill Streeter > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS > www.lofistl.com > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Is it just me? I don't quite get what France is trying to do. You > can > > burn songs you download from the iTunes Store to a CD and then > rip > > for any player. So why are they claiming that Apple's Store and > the > > iPod are a closed system? This seems like mostly a technological > > ignorance than a real "argument". Even NBC reported this morning > that > > songs you buy at the iTunes Store "can only be played on an iPod" > > which is simply not the truth. What's up with this journalistic/ > > legislative failure to understand and report/legislate based on > the > > facts? > > > > If France outlaws the iTunes Store, it will also hurt us if Apple > > doesn't separate all the free podcasts from what they have for > sale > > that is mis-perceived as only playable on iPods. > > > > -- > > Taylor Barcroft > > New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, > Futurecaster > > Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley > > URL http://FutureMedia.org > > RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia > > iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 > > barcroft (gizmo) > > kungax (Skype) > > kungag5 (iChat-AIM) > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[videoblogging] Re: French Against iTunes Store
No iTunes proprietary system that sells music that can be sold on a single playerthe iPod. Yes songs can be burned to a CD and re- ripped but that's also a violation of the license. It's a monopolistic practice, and monopolies are bad for business. It's a good move by France I think against this ridiculous DRM HELL we currently find ourselves in. Bill Streeter LO-FI SAINT LOUIS www.lofistl.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Kunga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is it just me? I don't quite get what France is trying to do. You can > burn songs you download from the iTunes Store to a CD and then rip > for any player. So why are they claiming that Apple's Store and the > iPod are a closed system? This seems like mostly a technological > ignorance than a real "argument". Even NBC reported this morning that > songs you buy at the iTunes Store "can only be played on an iPod" > which is simply not the truth. What's up with this journalistic/ > legislative failure to understand and report/legislate based on the > facts? > > If France outlaws the iTunes Store, it will also hurt us if Apple > doesn't separate all the free podcasts from what they have for sale > that is mis-perceived as only playable on iPods. > > -- > Taylor Barcroft > New Media Publisher, Editor, Video Journalist, Podcaster, Futurecaster > Santa Cruz CA, Beach of the Silicon Valley > URL http://FutureMedia.org > RSS http://feeds.feedburner.com/FutureMedia > iTunes http://tinyurl.com/8ql87 > barcroft (gizmo) > kungax (Skype) > kungag5 (iChat-AIM) > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
