Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos
On 15 Nov 2005, at 15:39, Joshua Seiden wrote: I set out to start a multimedia blog to explore the idea that when you present content in a given context, the content itself is changed when you change the context. And though I was thinking multimedia, the path of least resistance with the current tools led me to a video blog. Nothing wrong with that. But it's not a multimedia blog. Yes, indeed, Josh! That's was exactly the point I was trying to make - although I'm not claiming to know what a multimedia blog is. At best, I'd say that I'm trying to explore the parameters - in the hope that, out of my experiments, and thos eof others, something coherent takes shape. Like you, I'm here because I want to be aware of the development of blogs with media other than text as the entry point to the material. For example, take a look at my post called Annotation. http:// more3.blogspot.com/2005/11/annotation-roll-um-easy.html In this post, I took an MP3 of a song I like, imported it into a movie, and used the titling capability (of iMovie) to present a textual commentary about the song that runs as the song plays. Sweet! It's encoded as video, so of course the search engines have no idea what's going on in the clip. Another file format would allow the underlying MP3 to expose it's metadata--when you search for this song or the band, search engines could find the post. Similarly, another file format could expose the text in the titles sequences that I used (as a hack) to provide commentary. And perhaps another format still might give some sense of the synchronisation of the text with the music. Some of the single words you use on-screen would carry far less meaning without the music that's playing at the time they're being displayed. I suppose SMIL was intended for this kind of thing, but it does not seem to have been widely adopted. The point is that if we were really building a storytelling medium, we would conceive of the building blocks in a different manner. But the video blog--as cool as it is--is only secondarily a storytelling medium. It's early days for all the varieties of the blog format (I read somewhere that, even now, only a small percentage of the population knows what a blog is) and it's my hope that exploring the boundaries of the form may lead to something that does allow us to tell the stories of the future in ways which go beyond the current hype surrounding one form or another. Bests, Christian Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos
Christian Wach wrote: On 15 Nov 2005, at 17:10, Pete Prodoehl wrote: You could write code that allows people to subscribe to a feed that spits out a new item every X number of days. Give each user a unique URL so they can control the experience and get the 'trickle effect' you are after. Cheers, Pete, that's the conclusion I came to as well. I've not heard of a service that offers this, but it wouldn't be rocket-science to build it. I guess that's what I'll have to do. Ah, the service I was thinking of is podiobooks.com Despite the books and focus on podcasting I assume they just serialize and RSS feed much like you want... But check the FAQ to be sure: http://www.podiobooks.com/about.php Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos
What puts me off is that those client apps do not do justice to the variety of media that can be combined in any particular post - they concentrate 'too much' on the video. I realise that statement may sound paradoxical, but I don't really want a single medium to dominate the delivery of my digital stories. This is a really intersting post Christian. One of the reasons I started videoblogging (about a month ago) was that I was frustrated by the text-centric nature of the blogosphere, and frustrated by the way RSS readers decontexualize the content of a blog. Many in the web community view RSS as a boon for users: Some folks claim that with RSS, users now have complete control of their experience of content, and can consume and package your content to suit their needs. My perspective is perhaps less rosy: RSS users can see some of your work, but in a presentation context controlled by the RSS reader. This changes the exprerience--maybe for better, maybe for worse, but certainly changed. I set out to start a multimedia blog to explore the idea that when you present content in a given context, the content itself is changed when you change the context. And though I was thinking multimedia, the path of least resistance with the current tools led me to a video blog. Nothing wrong with that. But it's not a multimedia blog. A multimedia blog would not bias one medium over another, because the readers and agregators and social bookmark managers and tag managers would see into the content in a deep way. They can't do that now, because of the infrastructure that's emerged to date. For example, take a look at my post called Annotation. http://more3.blogspot.com/2005/11/annotation-roll-um-easy.html In this post, I took an MP3 of a song I like, imported it into a movie, and used the titling capability (of iMovie) to present a textual commentary about the song that runs as the song plays. It's encoded as video, so of course the search engines have no idea what's going on in the clip. Another file format would allow the underlying MP3 to expose it's metadata--when you search for this song or the band, search engines could find the post. Similarly, another file format could expose the text in the titles sequences that I used (as a hack) to provide commentary. The point is that if we were really building a storytelling medium, we would conceive of the building blocks in a different manner. But the video blog--as cool as it is--is only secondarily a storytelling medium. JS --- http://more3.blogspot.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos
Christian Wach wrote: There is an RSS 2.0 feed available for the 2002 blog, but what's the point? It will never change again. I could provide an XML file with the entire blog history, but that wouldn't replicate the experience that I like most about the vlog - the excitement of the intermittent appearance of content when I launch my client app. You could write code that allows people to subscribe to a feed that spits out a new item every X number of days. Give each user a unique URL so they can control the experience and get the 'trickle effect' you are after. I think I've even heard of a service that does this for podcasts which are 'complete' in a series sense, like yours is. Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Most low income households are not online. Help bridge the digital divide today! http://us.click.yahoo.com/cd_AJB/QnQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos
On 11/15/05, Pete Prodoehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I've even heard of a service that does this for podcasts which are 'complete' in a series sense, like yours is.I read this on Boingboing a while back too. Anyone remember the name of the service? It was being used to deliver an audio book, I believe. I tried searching but came up empty. They need tags, dammit. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: My hellos
Greetings, welcome, thanks for the intro :) Yeah I know where you are coming from on the RSS client limitations, 1 video per blog post stuff. The way I see it this problem comes from the fact that videoblogging is sort of using technology that originally caught on for podcasting. There doesnt have to be any blog in podcasting, but by its very name videoblogging implies all the blogginess, stuff we wont get with a straightforward enclosure-supporting aggregator. I like both. Im not sure if in time there will emerge a clear seperation between videoblogs, and video podcasts/videocasts/whatever. Maybe we will be stuck with the limitations that already exist, especially if video ipod etc catch on, and using existing RSS and the 1 video per post stuff ends up becoming the norm for distributing content over all sorts of different networks to various different devices. I think of podcasts again when I think of the possible workarounds. If I did a podcast I think Id be quite happy if most people were just gtting it via aggregation and the only regular content they got from me was this. If they want a fuller experience or to give feedback or whatever, they go to the website (after theyve learnt from the podcast that theres something theyre interested in in this entry/episode). If I was doing a blog that regularily made use of multiple entries per post lots of mixed media, maybe I wouldnt look at full content aggregation at all, just a feed without enclosures. Steve of Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Christian Wach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Okay, so now that Duncan has partially introduced me, I guess I ought to say hello properly. I've really enjoyed the energy of the group since I've subscribed - it feels like something important is developing, even if none of us quite knows what. My primary interest for being here is to find ways to steer a project that I've been involved with to a form more amenable to subscription in the way that video-blogs are. I struggle with the canonical video-blog - defined, I suppose by the current crop of vlog clients. To a certain extent, a vlog 'is' what we as viewers experience of it. A little history: in 2002 I 'kicked' a football from England to the World Cup in Korea and Japan. We kept a blog during the journey consisting of equal parts text, image and video in any given post. The project homepage can be found here: http://www.spiritoffootball.com The 2002 blog is here: http://www.spiritoffootball.com/2002/blog/ The 2002 'film' is here: http://www.spiritoffootball.com/2002/video.php What attracts me to the vlog form is the prospect of using it for future trips and the episodic films that get made during the course of it. It would have been great if client apps like DTV, iTunes and FireANT had existed back then. What puts me off is that those client apps do not do justice to the variety of media that can be combined in any particular post - they concentrate 'too much' on the video. I realise that statement may sound paradoxical, but I don't really want a single medium to dominate the delivery of my digital stories. I tend to agree with the view that all 'traditional' media have become simply 'content' in the digital realm. Moreover, a story can make much more creative use of those media than the 'one-video-per-post' vlog form and RSS2.0 spec currently allows for. I look forward to taking the journey towards that important something with all you splendid folks... Best wishes, Christian -- Christian Wach Current Location: Bristol, UK Homepage: http://haystack.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Re: My hellos
On 14 Nov 2005, at 18:48, Steve Watkins wrote: Greetings, welcome, thanks for the intro :) Cheers Steve - a warm and thoughtful welcome! The way I see it this problem comes from the fact that videoblogging is sort of using technology that originally caught on for podcasting. Yup, that seems like the root of the issue to me too. It's both the strength and the weakness of the vlog form as defined by video+rss. With the Spirit of Football, I've been looking after a video-blog for almost four years. It has 70-odd entries totalling almost two hours of video vignettes which were added over a four month period in 2002. As you can imagine, I've had a lot of time to contemplate the latter stages in the life-cycle of a blog - what happens to one when it falls silent. The Spirit of Football is perhaps unusual for a video-blog in that the story has a beginning and an end - most vlogs seem like Finnegan's Wake to me - beginning and ending in mid-sentence. To complicate matters, it's also episodic on a larger scale than the single post - it happens every four years. I've been wondering - how can I share my expired video-blog with other video-bloggers through the apps that they are (becoming) accustomed to using? After all, it *was* a video blog once. There is an RSS 2.0 feed available for the 2002 blog, but what's the point? It will never change again. I could provide an XML file with the entire blog history, but that wouldn't replicate the experience that I like most about the vlog - the excitement of the intermittent appearance of content when I launch my client app. Furthermore, nothing seems to resist meaningful searchability like video. All blogs generate archives, but I have yet to see any system that adequately archives video. I suppose I'd just like to see some joined-up thinking about the life-cycle of blogs, whatever the flavour. I think of podcasts again when I think of the possible workarounds. If I did a podcast I think Id be quite happy if most people were just gtting it via aggregation and the only regular content they got from me was this. If they want a fuller experience or to give feedback or whatever, they go to the website (after theyve learnt from the podcast that theres something theyre interested in in this entry/episode). These are good times in many ways. People have (sort of) accepted that a blog/podcast/vlog has a certain form and their proliferation is partially due to this emergent consensus. Which is nice :) If I was doing a blog that regularily made use of multiple entries per post lots of mixed media, maybe I wouldnt look at full content aggregation at all, just a feed without enclosures. My inclination is to allow as many different ways of accessing the material as I can - throw 'em all into the mix and see what emerges. I imagine that the RDF/RSS and other metadata specs will evolve - along with the capabilities of the devices and software that are designed to read them. I look forward to reading about many of those developments right here. Bests, Christian -- Christian Wach Current Location: Bristol, UK Football: http://spiritoffootball.com Homepage: http://haystack.co.uk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
