[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
Thanks for the response! How about the biggest concern: that you're not syndicating movies, but html pages? In other words, YouTube does not syndicate it's content to any of the video aggregators (ANT, Mefeedia, iTunes, ...). It really is pretty useless. It means that YouTube content can't be synched to a PSP or the possibly upcoming video iPod. It can't be show on your TV if you have that set up. And so on. Peter SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
That's more of a technical problem. I had sent Josh a private e-mail regarding this issue. It's more about choosing Flash as the delivery technology. Until now, I had thought that decision was black and white. With Flash FLV, there's no need to require users to have the exact codecs installed. Furthermore, there's no need to choose Real Player vs Windows Media Player or setting the bandwidth streaming rates. But we hadn't anticipated video aggregators syndicating this content. Is there a solution that would be compatible with video aggregators while maintaining the FLV format? Also, we have been researching the Creative Commons licensing today. It seems to me that the main issue is more at the loss of rights to videos rather than an implementation of Creative Commons? Put another way, it seems the first, BIG step we can take is to remove the draconian rights that YouTube assumes on each upload and, rather, make the video submissions properties of the users with all rights reserved for said user. Then, the next step would be to implement the various forms of Creative Commons licensing for the videos. Does that sound right? --- By posting or sending a User Submission, you expressly grant YouTube a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, worldwide license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, edit, translate, distribute, perform, display, and make derivative works of such User Submission, and your name, voice, and/or likeness as contained in your User Submission, in whole or in part, and in any form, media or technology, whether now known or hereafter developed, including the unfettered right to sublicense such rights, in perpetuity throughout the universe. --- *sarcasm* Gosh, are you guys really concerned about our Terms of Use? :) ... in perpetuity throughout the universe. Wow. We hope to push out a new Terms of Use this evening along with a message during the upload process that communicates to the uploader that he/she owns the rights to all video submissions. -s On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:56 AM, videoblogging@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Thanks for the response! > > How about the biggest concern: that you're not syndicating movies, but > html pages? In other words, YouTube does not syndicate it's content to > any of the video aggregators (ANT, Mefeedia, iTunes, ...). It really > is pretty useless. It means that YouTube content can't be synched to a > PSP or the possibly upcoming video iPod. It can't be show on your TV > if you have that set up. And so on. > > Peter YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
> after allowing people to put CC rights on their videoslet people > link directly to the video. > not just the youtube page where its posted. > > jay we have just changed the licensing agreement tonight so the user owns the rights to their videos. furthermore, we have just released a feature that allows YouTube users to directly host their YouTube videos from their website. for any video you see on the webiste, there will appear three copy+paste snippets which correlate to the three different ways you can link and share your YouTube videos. the first one is a link to the video page hosted on YouTube. the second is an iframe HTML snippet that allows you show a thumbnail of the image with live stats on the number of views and comments. the third (!!) is a HTML snippet that allows you to embed the video player on your website/ blog such that you can play the video directly from your website/blog without having to go to the YouTube site. i have to get some sleep. i'd love to feedback, especially with regards to the Terms of Use changes. thank you, have a good night. -s SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
> But we hadn't anticipated video aggregators syndicating this content. Is there a solution > that would be compatible with video aggregators while maintaining the FLV format? Yes, just syndicate the actual flash file as an enclosure and include player controls in that. Both Mefeedia and ANT already support that :) Peter SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the third (!!) is a HTML snippet that allows you to > embed the video player on your website/blog Coolness. I just tested it out with some random vid and it worked nicely. Looks very slick too. > we have just changed the licensing agreement tonight so the > user owns the rights to their videos. (I'm not a lawyer) ... I didn't see any explicit 'you retain rights' type thing, but I didn't see anything giving them away either - which I believe means I get to keep them :-) All in all the new terms wouldn't scare me away. :-) Thanks, - Dave http://www.davidmeade.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
> the third (!!) is a HTML snippet that allows you to embed the video player on your website/ > blog such that you can play the video directly from your website/blog without having to go > to the YouTube site. This feature does not work with LiveJournal.com or MSN Spaces. It does work with Blogger, but the video player width can not be adjusted. The width is "425" pixels. Blogger column widths are "400". "425" pushes the margin bar (right or left) to the botton of the page. Example: http://view-point.blogspot.com Another issue: Once the YouTube code is published on Blogger it can not be edited. Users that attempt to edit their posts get a blank editing screen - void of YouTube code and text. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
Steve wrote: > That's more of a technical problem. I had sent Josh a private e-mail > regarding this issue. > It's more about choosing Flash as the delivery technology. Until now, > I had thought that > decision was black and white. > > With Flash FLV, there's no need to require users to have the exact > codecs installed. > Furthermore, there's no need to choose Real Player vs Windows Media > Player or setting the > bandwidth streaming rates. > > But we hadn't anticipated video aggregators syndicating this content. > Is there a solution > that would be compatible with video aggregators while maintaining the > FLV format? Current FireANT for the PC and Mac supports FLV and SWF enclosures, I believe. They build the SWF wrapper for each FLV file I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, Josh. > > Also, we have been researching the Creative Commons licensing today. > It seems to me > that the main issue is more at the loss of rights to videos rather > than an implementation of > Creative Commons? Put another way, it seems the first, BIG step we > can take is to remove > the draconian rights that YouTube assumes on each upload and, rather, > make the video > submissions properties of the users with all rights reserved for said > user. Then, the next > step would be to implement the various forms of Creative Commons > licensing for the > videos. Does that sound right? Yes, making it clear that the user retains all copyrights to the work, with the exception of granting YouTube rights to distribute the videos from its website. You might take a look at OurMedia's terms of service for some examples (I've not looked at them, but I'm assuming they have them and that their legalese would probably be a good example for what you're trying to convey). > > > *sarcasm* Gosh, are you guys really concerned about our Terms of Use? > :) ... in perpetuity > throughout the universe. Wow. > > We hope to push out a new Terms of Use this evening along with a > message during the > upload process that communicates to the uploader that he/she owns the > rights to all video > submissions. > > -s Excellent! Nice to see you guys responding to feedback. Clint -- Clint Sharp New Media Guy & Technologist ClintSharp.com Contact Info: http://clintsharp.com/contact/ We are the media. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
> Current FireANT for the PC and Mac supports FLV and SWF enclosures, I > believe. They build the SWF wrapper for each FLV file I believe. > Correct me if I'm wrong, Josh. Almost right current FireANT for PC supports SWF, but FLV support is coming soon. Next Mac version supports SWF and FLV using the method described above. But, if YouTube syndicates raw FLV, I'm pretty certain they will lose their branding on each clip as I believe that water mark, and their custom player, are SWF elements that would be stripped off if the raw FLV were syndicated not a problem for FireANT, but maybe not ideal for YouTube. BTW, anybody out there capable of creating a great-looking, compact FLV video controller in Flash? We're currently using the default Macromedia video controller for testing in the new Mac FireANT still being kicked around the lab... er, Jay's apartment. If you have experience with this, please contact me off-list. -Josh YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
Peter, are you suggesting the player controls should be included by the author? when you say flash file, are you referring to flv or swf? vlogdir handles flv and swf as well (it is an aggregator too ;-) i cant seem to find any flv vlogs in vlogdir but on videobloggers.org, i aggregate the flv feed from http://www.netvideo.com.au/ Its the last channel beneath the others... you can see flv player that I use there (same on vlogdir) Josh, if this is something you had in mind, let me know. sull On 8/11/05, petertheman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But we hadn't anticipated video aggregators syndicating thiscontent. Is there a solution> that would be compatible with video aggregators while maintainingthe FLV format?Yes, just syndicate the actual flash file as an enclosure and include player controls in that. Both Mefeedia and ANT already support that :)Peter -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -"The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born" - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://interdigitate.com - on again off again vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Re: YouTube Concerns
> (I'm not a lawyer) ... I didn't see any explicit 'you retain rights' > type thing, but I didn't see anything giving them away either - which > I believe means I get to keep them :-) why not just be clear? here is what is on Ourmedia: Q.Do you own what I upload to your site, as TextAmerica does? A: No. You own it. Anyone who uploads anything will be required to assign rights to their work. (We recommend a Creative Commons license, which unambiguously delineates how others may use your work.) You get to decide what others may do: share it? remix it? must they credit you? See our Licensing page for details. You may also choose traditional copyright. A third option is to donate the work to the public domain; at that point, the public owns it. also, i personally hate the "youtube" watermark on every video. like clint says, since you are hositng it...you can choose to do what you want. but as a videoblogger...i dont want your logo on my video. if you want to brand it...brand the flash player around the video. i think flickr does a good job with photos. i upload them to a free account...with a reasonable upload limitation. i get a direct link to the photo in the page. no logos. i recently asked a flickr person if they were goign to do video. she said 'no comment"...which means its coming. also, imagine when google figures out that people to upload video straight from blogger is good. they just strated doing this with photos this month. Broadcast machine is allowing people to install their own torrent publishing systems...which i keep hearing is very easy. i think hosting/serving video content will not be a problem in the near future. the challenge is finding whats good video..or better...good video for you. jay -- http://www.momentshowing.net> Adventures in Videoblogging YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
