Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
That's cool; thanks for sharing the vlog Renovating Michael with us, Sully. I enjoyed watching that. Harold [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
Hey group, The results of the Mmeiserâs Wikipedia ban are here. See what each Wikipedia Administrator had to say about it: âI fail to see why there should be any consideration of a ban. Unreferenced material is not welcome on Wikipedia.â - EdJohnston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EdJohnston 23:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC) âAgreed. The argument for a ban reads exactly like âthis person won't let me put original research in the article and this is unfairââ -Amarkov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amarkov moo! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Amarkov 00:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC) âAgreed as well. I don't see a bit of misbehavior here, let alone anything that calls for a ban. We do not accept unverifiable material or original research, period, and I'll happily buy a beer for anyone that upholds that.â - Seraphimblade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Seraphimblade Talk to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade 00:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC) âIs it just me, and I don't mean to sound bad faith here, or isn't User:MichaelVerdi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelVerdi very knowldgable about this situation for a user with an 11 hour old account? Maybe they editted the pages as an IP? Its just weird that User:MichaelVerdi is the only one supporting Michael Meiser's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mmeiser suggestion. I hope they're aware of WP:MEAT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MEAT . Apologies if I'm wrongheaded hereâ --Cailil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cailil talk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cailil 00:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC) âThis is almost nothing but an attack. Close, and archive. I'm going to go ahead and call a spade a spade, and point out that the poster of this complaint has failed to assume good fiath http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AGF .â ââ Eagle101 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eagle_101 Need help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Eagle_101 07:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC) âSee no reason for a ban. This is retaliation to the post above. Archive and suggest they cool down and sort this issue out via dispute resolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DR .â --Kzrulzuall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kzrulzuall Talk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kzrulzuall ⢠Contribs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kzrulzuall 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Read the full proposed ban here: http://tinyurl.com/2gnhld http://tinyurl.com/2gnhld I hope that we can put the issue to rest and consider that perhaps there's a possibility that I perchance might have perhaps been trying to improve the article and not the other way around. and now ladies and gentlemen, ...your moment of zen. (please accept this as humour with only a tinge of bitterness) This user - Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry. [...] It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. -Michael Verdi [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hey group, The results are back from Mmeiser's proposed Wikipedia ban of pdelongchamp. See what each Wikipedia Administrator had to say about it: I fail to see why there should be any consideration of a ban. Unreferenced material is not welcome on Wikipedia. - EdJohnston 23:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Agreed. The argument for a ban reads exactly like 'this person won't let me put original research in the article and this is unfair' -Amarkov moo! 00:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Agreed as well. I don't see a bit of misbehavior here, let alone anything that calls for a ban. We do not accept unverifiable material or original research, period, and I'll happily buy a beer for anyone that upholds that. -Seraphimblade Talk to me 00:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Is it just me, and I don't mean to sound bad faith here, or isn't User:MichaelVerdi very knowldgable about this situation for a user with an 11 hour old account? Maybe they editted the pages as an IP? Its just weird that User:MichaelVerdi is the only one supporting Michael Meiser's suggestion. I hope they're aware of WP:MEAT. Apologies if I'm wrongheaded here -Cailil talk 00:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC) This is almost nothing but an attack. Close, and archive. I'm going to go ahead and call a spade a spade, and point out that the poster of this complaint has failed to assume good fiath. —Eagle101 Need help? 07:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC) See no reason for a ban. This is retaliation to the post above. Archive and suggest they cool down and sort this issue out via dispute resolution. -Kzrulzuall Talk• Contribs 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Read the full proposed ban here: http://tinyurl.com/2gnhld I hope that we can put the issue to rest and consider that perhaps there's a possibility that I perchance might have perhaps been trying to improve the article and not the other way around. and now ladies and gentlemen, ...your moment of zen. (please accept this as humour with only a tinge of bitterness) This user - Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry. [...] It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. -Michael Verdi On 5/3/07, pdelongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey group, The results of the Mmeiser’s Wikipedia ban are here. See what each Wikipedia Administrator had to say about it: “I fail to see why there should be any consideration of a ban. Unreferenced material is not welcome on Wikipedia.†- EdJohnston http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EdJohnston 23:56, 2 May 2007 (UTC) “Agreed. The argument for a ban reads exactly like ‘this person won't let me put original research in the article and this is unfair’†-Amarkov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Amarkov moo! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Amarkov 00:11, 3 May 2007 (UTC) “Agreed as well. I don't see a bit of misbehavior here, let alone anything that calls for a ban. We do not accept unverifiable material or original research, period, and I'll happily buy a beer for anyone that upholds that.†- Seraphimblade http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Seraphimblade Talk to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Seraphimblade 00:13, 3 May 2007 (UTC) “Is it just me, and I don't mean to sound bad faith here, or isn't User:MichaelVerdi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MichaelVerdi very knowldgable about this situation for a user with an 11 hour old account? Maybe they editted the pages as an IP? Its just weird that User:MichaelVerdi is the only one supporting Michael Meiser's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mmeiser suggestion. I hope they're aware of WP:MEAT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:MEAT . Apologies if I'm wrongheaded here†--Cailil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cailil talk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cailil 00:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC) “This is almost nothing but an attack. Close, and archive. I'm going to go ahead and call a spade a spade, and point out that the poster of this complaint has failed to assume good fiath http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AGF .†â€â€ Eagle101 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Eagle_101 Need help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Eagle_101 07:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC) “See no reason for a ban. This is retaliation to the post above. Archive and suggest they cool down and sort this issue out via dispute resolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:DR .†--Kzrulzuall http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kzrulzuall Talk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kzrulzuall • Contribs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kzrulzuall 07:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC) Read the full proposed ban here: http://tinyurl.com/2gnhld http://tinyurl.com/2gnhld I hope that we can put the issue to rest and consider that perhaps there's a possibility that I perchance might have perhaps been trying to improve the article and not the other way around. and now ladies and gentlemen, ...your moment of zen. (please accept this
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
On 5/3/07, pdelongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and now ladies and gentlemen, ...your moment of zen. (please accept this as humour with only a tinge of bitterness) This user - Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry. [...] It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. -Michael Verdi Well Patrick, I don't understand your subject line. What you've quoted there is obviously not a threat. It's just my observation of your assholeness which I stand by 100% whether there are wikipedia editors that agree with you or not. Please fuck off, Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
Hey Mike, I didn't mean for it to seam like you were threatening me. Sorry. It was just meant as a lighthearted reflection of the topics currently being discussed in the group. pd On 5/3/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/3/07, pdelongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]pdelongchamp%40gmail.com wrote: and now ladies and gentlemen, ...your moment of zen. (please accept this as humour with only a tinge of bitterness) This user - Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry. [...] It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. -Michael Verdi Well Patrick, I don't understand your subject line. What you've quoted there is obviously not a threat. It's just my observation of your assholeness which I stand by 100% whether there are wikipedia editors that agree with you or not. Please fuck off, Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
Patrick, the deal is that many of us don't think of this as lighthearted. You've fucked with the wikipedia article for almost a year now. It's time to stop. - Verdi On 5/3/07, Patrick Delongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Mike, I didn't mean for it to seam like you were threatening me. Sorry. It was just meant as a lighthearted reflection of the topics currently being discussed in the group. pd On 5/3/07, Michael Verdi [EMAIL PROTECTED]michael%40michaelverdi.com wrote: On 5/3/07, pdelongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]pdelongchamp%40gmail.com pdelongchamp%40gmail.com wrote: and now ladies and gentlemen, ...your moment of zen. (please accept this as humour with only a tinge of bitterness) This user - Pdelongchamp - constantly fucks with the entry. [...] It's pathetic. I can't believe Meiser still has the patience to try work on the article as his changes usually get deleted within hours. -Michael Verdi Well Patrick, I don't understand your subject line. What you've quoted there is obviously not a threat. It's just my observation of your assholeness which I stand by 100% whether there are wikipedia editors that agree with you or not. Please fuck off, Verdi -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- http://michaelverdi.com http://spinxpress.com http://freevlog.org Author of Secrets Of Videoblogging - http://tinyurl.com/me4vs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
HI Patrick, When I saw your initial post, I thought why is he posting in the wrong thread? and then I looked more carefully and got your joke. When you posted the text version, I thought is he now spamming? But I assume you have a different default char set than me and hence the funny characters in the first version of that email. You've pissed off a number of group members and friends and so I can't help but wonder what kind of person you really are. Do you have a vlog? Not a requirement of course. I'm just wondering if I can see you or your work anywhere. Markus On May 3, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Delongchamp wrote: Hey Mike, I didn't mean for it to seam like you were threatening me. Sorry. It was just meant as a lighthearted reflection of the topics currently being discussed in the group. pd -- http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
Markus, Meet Pat and his condo. http://mirror21.video.blip.tv/RenovatingMichael-EpisodeSixPatsCondo951.mov On 5/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Patrick, When I saw your initial post, I thought why is he posting in the wrong thread? and then I looked more carefully and got your joke. When you posted the text version, I thought is he now spamming? But I assume you have a different default char set than me and hence the funny characters in the first version of that email. You've pissed off a number of group members and friends and so I can't help but wonder what kind of person you really are. Do you have a vlog? Not a requirement of course. I'm just wondering if I can see you or your work anywhere. Markus On May 3, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Delongchamp wrote: Hey Mike, I didn't mean for it to seam like you were threatening me. Sorry. It was just meant as a lighthearted reflection of the topics currently being discussed in the group. pd -- http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
Hi Markus, I don't have a vlog anymore but I used to do cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com As you can see from the results from the ban attempt, I have in fact been trying to stick up for the vlog article. It was changes i made to the article nearly a year ago that saved it from getting deleted. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Video_blogdiff=70288801oldid=70288758) Since then, I've asked people to source their contributions. (a wikipedia core content policy) The vocal people in this group seem to be misdirecting their frustration with Wikipedia policy towards me. The content Mmeiser had been trying to reinsert ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Video_blogdiff=125328951oldid=124431636) into the article was the content that almost got the article deleted nearly a year ago. As much as Mmeiser is upset that I initially supported the deletion (because I agreed with the reasoning behind the nomination) I instead decided that the information could actually be turned into something valuable and did research and made changes. Changes that saved it from getting deleted. I hate to say this but if I had left Mmeiser alone, the article would probably have been deleted over and over again since then. Wikipedia has policies. Anyone can edit it but there's only a select kind of information that can go into it. People claim i've been making disruptive edits and dicking with the article for a year now. I challenge them to read the wikipedia definition of disruptive edits. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing) Has anyone really looked at the evidence to determine if it is in fact Mmeiser who has been putting up with me for a year or if it is instead the other way around? (see my defense in the ban request) I would be happy to explain any specific edit I've made if a link of the edit is provided. I can't really defend accusations that i've deleted everything for the last 2 years which is terribly inaccurate. pd On 5/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Patrick, When I saw your initial post, I thought why is he posting in the wrong thread? and then I looked more carefully and got your joke. When you posted the text version, I thought is he now spamming? But I assume you have a different default char set than me and hence the funny characters in the first version of that email. You've pissed off a number of group members and friends and so I can't help but wonder what kind of person you really are. Do you have a vlog? Not a requirement of course. I'm just wondering if I can see you or your work anywhere. Markus On May 3, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Delongchamp wrote: Hey Mike, I didn't mean for it to seam like you were threatening me. Sorry. It was just meant as a lighthearted reflection of the topics currently being discussed in the group. pd -- http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
So who wants to go through the 3 vlogging books written by this community and then jsut cite them in the wikipedia entry. isnt that all we have to do? I am sure that they devine vlog in there along with some od the genres etc right? where are all those academic papers folks have written? arent those reliable sources? let's just cite the heck out of it with sources we actually trust instead of using a magazine article written in 5 minutes... let's work together to follow wikipedia's rules but keep what we as vloggers know this new medium to be On 5/3/07, Patrick Delongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Markus, I don't have a vlog anymore but I used to do cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com As you can see from the results from the ban attempt, I have in fact been trying to stick up for the vlog article. It was changes i made to the article nearly a year ago that saved it from getting deleted. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Video_blogdiff=70288801oldid=70288758 ) Since then, I've asked people to source their contributions. (a wikipedia core content policy) The vocal people in this group seem to be misdirecting their frustration with Wikipedia policy towards me. The content Mmeiser had been trying to reinsert ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Video_blogdiff=125328951oldid=124431636 ) into the article was the content that almost got the article deleted nearly a year ago. As much as Mmeiser is upset that I initially supported the deletion (because I agreed with the reasoning behind the nomination) I instead decided that the information could actually be turned into something valuable and did research and made changes. Changes that saved it from getting deleted. I hate to say this but if I had left Mmeiser alone, the article would probably have been deleted over and over again since then. Wikipedia has policies. Anyone can edit it but there's only a select kind of information that can go into it. People claim i've been making disruptive edits and dicking with the article for a year now. I challenge them to read the wikipedia definition of disruptive edits. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing) Has anyone really looked at the evidence to determine if it is in fact Mmeiser who has been putting up with me for a year or if it is instead the other way around? (see my defense in the ban request) I would be happy to explain any specific edit I've made if a link of the edit is provided. I can't really defend accusations that i've deleted everything for the last 2 years which is terribly inaccurate. pd On 5/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] markus.sandy%40mac.com wrote: HI Patrick, When I saw your initial post, I thought why is he posting in the wrong thread? and then I looked more carefully and got your joke. When you posted the text version, I thought is he now spamming? But I assume you have a different default char set than me and hence the funny characters in the first version of that email. You've pissed off a number of group members and friends and so I can't help but wonder what kind of person you really are. Do you have a vlog? Not a requirement of course. I'm just wondering if I can see you or your work anywhere. Markus On May 3, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Delongchamp wrote: Hey Mike, I didn't mean for it to seam like you were threatening me. Sorry. It was just meant as a lighthearted reflection of the topics currently being discussed in the group. pd -- http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- Josh Leo www.JoshLeo.com www.WanderingWestMichigan.com www.SlowLorisMedia.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
thanks sull! that really helped. I think I've met Patrick and friends briefly at Vloggercon06? Puts this in a slightly different light for me. Now you are not a total stranger. See how a little video can change your perspective? Amazing. Not sure it helps with the general argument in any way. Please play nice folks. Markus p.s. that was a really fun video. On May 3, 2007, at 8:59 AM, sull wrote: Markus, Meet Pat and his condo. http://mirror21.video.blip.tv/RenovatingMichael- EpisodeSixPatsCondo951.mov On 5/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI Patrick, When I saw your initial post, I thought why is he posting in the wrong thread? and then I looked more carefully and got your joke. When you posted the text version, I thought is he now spamming? But I assume you have a different default char set than me and hence the funny characters in the first version of that email. You've pissed off a number of group members and friends and so I can't help but wonder what kind of person you really are. Do you have a vlog? Not a requirement of course. I'm just wondering if I can see you or your work anywhere. -- http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [videoblogging] Threats and male vloggers
That's a great idea. If some who owns any of the books wants to add
something, you can source it by including the code below at the end of the
information you're introducing.
For example:
It is common knowledge that Videobloggers do it daily.ref{{cite book
|coauthors= Michael Verdi, Ryanne Hodson, Diana Weynand, Shirley Craig
|title= [[Secrets of videoblogging]] |publisher= [[Peachpit]] |year= 2006
|isbn= 0321429176 }}/ref
(naturally, you'll change the info if you're not using Secrets of
Videoblogging) When you save your changes, you'll see a superscript
number[5] beside the quote and the reference will automatically be included
in the reference section at the bottom of the article.
pd
On 5/3/07, Josh Leo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So who wants to go through the 3 vlogging books written by this
community
and then jsut cite them in the wikipedia entry. isnt that all we have to
do?
I am sure that they devine vlog in there along with some od the genres etc
right?
where are all those academic papers folks have written? arent those
reliable
sources?
let's just cite the heck out of it with sources we actually trust instead
of
using a magazine article written in 5 minutes...
let's work together to follow wikipedia's rules but keep what we as
vloggers
know this new medium to be
On 5/3/07, Patrick Delongchamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]pdelongchamp%40gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Markus,
I don't have a vlog anymore but I used to do
cookingkittycorner.blogspot.com
As you can see from the results from the ban attempt, I have in fact
been
trying to stick up for the vlog article. It was changes i made to the
article nearly a year ago that saved it from getting deleted. (
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Video_blogdiff=70288801oldid=70288758
)
Since then, I've asked people to source their contributions. (a
wikipedia
core content policy) The vocal people in this group seem to be
misdirecting
their frustration with Wikipedia policy towards me.
The content Mmeiser had been trying to reinsert (
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Video_blogdiff=125328951oldid=124431636
)
into the article was the content that almost got the article deleted
nearly
a year ago.
As much as Mmeiser is upset that I initially supported the deletion
(because
I agreed with the reasoning behind the nomination) I instead decided
that
the information could actually be turned into something valuable and did
research and made changes. Changes that saved it from getting deleted. I
hate to say this but if I had left Mmeiser alone, the article would
probably
have been deleted over and over again since then.
Wikipedia has policies. Anyone can edit it but there's only a select
kind
of information that can go into it.
People claim i've been making disruptive edits and dicking with the
article for a year now. I challenge them to read the wikipedia
definition
of disruptive edits. (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disruptive_editing) Has anyone
really looked at the evidence to determine if it is in fact Mmeiser who
has
been putting up with me for a year or if it is instead the other way
around?
(see my defense in the ban request)
I would be happy to explain any specific edit I've made if a link of the
edit is provided. I can't really defend accusations that i've deleted
everything for the last 2 years which is terribly inaccurate.
pd
On 5/3/07, Markus Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] markus.sandy%40mac.com
markus.sandy%40mac.com
wrote:
HI Patrick,
When I saw your initial post, I thought why is he posting in the
wrong
thread? and then I looked more carefully and got your joke.
When you posted the text version, I thought is he now spamming?
But I assume you have a different default char set than me and hence
the funny characters in the first version of that email.
You've pissed off a number of group members and friends and so I can't
help but wonder what kind of person you really are.
Do you have a vlog?
Not a requirement of course. I'm just wondering if I can see you or
your work anywhere.
Markus
On May 3, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Patrick Delongchamp wrote:
Hey Mike,
I didn't mean for it to seam like you were threatening me. Sorry.
It was just meant as a lighthearted reflection of the topics
currently being
discussed in the group.
pd
--
http://SpinXpress.com/Markus_Sandy
http://Ourmedia.org/Markus_Sandy
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--
Josh Leo
www.JoshLeo.com
www.WanderingWestMichigan.com
www.SlowLorisMedia.com
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