Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
One thing I have noticed when working on windows machines that needs quicktime... and using firefox. After QT is installed, firefox tends to have problems playing some QT media and wants to download updates but usually fails. This has happened to be on about 4 or 5 diff puters over past several months. Annoying as hell. Even QT7 install failed to help. But I totally depend on Quicktime compatible media, both as a creator and as web developer.vlogdir.com can handle most media formats (within the media aggregator) but some features like the videoblog playlists require quicktime (uses quicktime SMIL) On the Java side, i used to work with java alot years back (JMF), then stayed away from it for a while. I am now once again interested in using Java and have done so by integrating an XML based Download Manager in vlogdir. It takes an rss feed, grabs the media enclosures and adds them to a download queue that lets the user choose where to download to... and displays status w/ progress bars. Totally experimental, but I think its pretty cool. Borrows from what you get in desktop apps like fireant and itunes, minus the automation/scheduling options. Flash is something I have always used sparingly within a site design... never a true believer in a fully flash based interface though. I have also shit on the idea of using flash video in the past.. primarily because of it's lack of ease for remixing video. But, I cannot deny it's relevance for Internet Video and the quality has been improving nicely. I also think it is very useful as a web based video preview/playback option and sites like vSocial have done an excellent job with tools their like video rolls. So, I will be utilizing more Flash than I ever thought I would months prior. sullOn 11/9/05, Michael Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Lucas Gonze wrote:On 11/8/05, Michael Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Flash gets mentioned because the penetration rate is somewhere around97% of all web browsers.Most likely, any web-based aggregators will go with Flash for video.I/ON looked quite cool when I saw it demo'd.In the most recent Macromedia stats that I've seen (a few months old)they listed Flash at 97% and Java around 80%.Quicktime was around 60-70%.I'm actually surprised that Java is higher than Quicktime, no matter howyou cut it.But I know that the QT number you quote has been fairlysteady for some time now.--Michael Shipp *Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Blog: digitalmerging - Tech. Media. Convergence.http://www.digitalmerging.la Digital Pictures: Pixel Lattehttp://www.digitalmerging.net/pixellatte/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
forgot to add link:http://www.rssowl.org/it handles enclosures, but no media player. and yes, I/ON is very nice and open source. sull On 11/8/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check RSSOWL tooOn 11/8/05, Michael Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Digital wrote:Hey Folks -We've been talking about ease of use in aggregation and I keep hearingabout Flash. Isn't there an open source solution like java that can dothis? I would think the install base should be the same or larger than a closed system like Flash.If anyone knows of a java converter/viewer, I'd love to hear about it!Flash gets mentioned because the penetration rate is somewhere around 97% of all web browsers.Most likely, any web-based aggregators will gowith Flash for video.On the other hand, Java's penatration rate within browsers is unknownand probably inconsistent in terms of versioning.There's one Java aggregator that I've found that does a decent job, even though it'sbeta, called I/ON: http://www.digitalmerging.la/archives/2005/10/ion_video_console_and_media_manager.html --Michael Shipp*Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Blog: digitalmerging - Tech. Media. Convergence. http://www.digitalmerging.laDigital Pictures: Pixel Lattehttp://www.digitalmerging.net/pixellatte/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directory http://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
On 11/9/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I have noticed when working on windows machines that needs quicktime... and using firefox. After QT is installed, firefox tends to have problems playing some QT media and wants to download updates but usually fails. This has happened to be on about 4 or 5 diff puters over past several months. Annoying as hell. Even QT7 install failed to help. I second that experience. I haven't been able to watch HumanDog for this reason, much to my frustration. Other QT movies seem to work fine. Go figure.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
Good god. I have no idea what to do about any of this.I've tested QT plugins on various flavors of windows over the last few years, in IE and FireFox, and they've worked.I don't know.Are you aware of the problem IE has in not immediately playing QT files if they are not embedded in an html file, even with the fast start.I think Josh wrote about this. It starts downloading the file but looks like the browser is doing nothing.Or so I'm told.I'm also told that iTunes will install QT on windows when it installs. The videos don't even play through that?Videoblogging is just one endless headache.Chris Weagelwww.human-dog.comOn Nov 9, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: On 11/9/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I have noticed when working on windows machines that needs quicktime... and using firefox. After QT is installed, firefox tends to have problems playing some QT media and wants to download updates but usually fails. This has happened to be on about 4 or 5 diff puters over past several months. Annoying as hell. Even QT7 install failed to help. I second that experience. I haven't been able to watch HumanDog for this reason, much to my frustration. Other QT movies seem to work fine. Go figure.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughanwww.beginningwithi.com (personal)www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
for me, it was strictly a firefox related issue... eventually, i get it working but each time, i am not even sure which step that i took resolved it :-/ this occurred even with embedded player plugin so it is not fast start related. i think it is either codec related or mime type related and somehow firefox thinks it needs to update quicktime (maybe it truly does?) but then fails and directs you to the quicktime download page... which is useless since QT is already installed. within QT player, when choosing to check for updates, it sais QT is updated. so i really dont know and hate to spend another minute troubleshooting it. i brought it up because it happened to me again this week on a new puter at work. sullOn 11/9/05, Christopher Weagel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good god. I have no idea what to do about any of this.I've tested QT plugins on various flavors of windows over the last few years, in IE and FireFox, and they've worked.I don't know. Are you aware of the problem IE has in not immediately playing QT files if they are not embedded in an html file, even with the fast start.I think Josh wrote about this. It starts downloading the file but looks like the browser is doing nothing. Or so I'm told.I'm also told that iTunes will install QT on windows when it installs. The videos don't even play through that?Videoblogging is just one endless headache. Chris Weagelwww.human-dog.com On Nov 9, 2005, at 8:56 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote: On 11/9/05, Michael Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I have noticed when working on windows machines that needs quicktime... and using firefox. After QT is installed, firefox tends to have problems playing some QT media and wants to download updates but usually fails. This has happened to be on about 4 or 5 diff puters over past several months. Annoying as hell. Even QT7 install failed to help. I second that experience. I haven't been able to watch HumanDog for this reason, much to my frustration. Other QT movies seem to work fine. Go figure.-- best regards,Deirdré Straughan www.beginningwithi.com (personal) www.tvblob.com (work) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group videoblogging on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . -- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
I can't recall having that kind of problem with Quicktime. Most of my recent projects that involved Quicktime/SMIL/Firefox on Windows have done fine. Sometimes better than the results on the Mac. Like you, I work with Java a lot and have done a bunch of JMF work. I've also done some Quicktime For Java work as well. I'd be interested in seeing Quicktime's installation share (web, stand alone) increase in order to use QTJ a lot more (very robust API, now that Apple has bothered to actually fix it). Flash is what it is. Currently ubiquitous as far as browsers so it's not going anywhere. However, I'd love to see what AJAX does on the web front. I can imagine doing some cool stuff without the need for Flash. And if I need media within AJAX, it would seem to be easier to use a standard plug-in (Real, QT, WM) with _javascript_ integration than Flash. I've talked with other developers about this before but haven't seen much yet (and I haven't had the time either). -- Michael Shipp * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: digitalmerging - Tech. Media. Convergence. http://www.digitalmerging.la Digital Pictures: Pixel Latte http://www.digitalmerging.net/pixellatte/ Michael Sullivan wrote: One thing I have noticed when working on windows machines that needs quicktime... and using firefox. After QT is installed, firefox tends to have problems playing some QT media and wants to download updates but usually fails. This has happened to be on about 4 or 5 diff puters over past several months. Annoying as hell. Even QT7 install failed to help. But I totally depend on Quicktime compatible media, both as a creator and as web developer. vlogdir.com can handle most media formats (within the media aggregator) but some features like the videoblog playlists require quicktime (uses quicktime SMIL) On the Java side, i used to work with java alot years back (JMF), then stayed away from it for a while. I am now once again interested in using Java and have done so by integrating an XML based Download Manager in vlogdir. It takes an rss feed, grabs the media enclosures and adds them to a download queue that lets the user choose where to download to... and displays status w/ progress bars. Totally experimental, but I think its pretty cool. Borrows from what you get in desktop apps like fireant and itunes, minus the automation/scheduling options. Flash is something I have always used sparingly within a site design... never a true believer in a fully flash based interface though. I have also shit on the idea of using flash video in the past.. primarily because of it's lack of ease for remixing video. But, I cannot deny it's relevance for Internet Video and the quality has been improving nicely. I also think it is very useful as a web based video preview/playback option and sites like vSocial have done an excellent job with tools their like video rolls. So, I will be utilizing more Flash than I ever thought I would months prior. sull SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[videoblogging] java viewer?!
Hey Folks - We've been talking about ease of use in aggregation and I keep hearing about Flash. Isn't there an open source solution like java that can do this? I would think the install base should be the same or larger than a closed system like Flash. If anyone knows of a java converter/viewer, I'd love to hear about it! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/T8sf5C/tzNLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
Digital wrote: Hey Folks - We've been talking about ease of use in aggregation and I keep hearing about Flash. Isn't there an open source solution like java that can do this? I would think the install base should be the same or larger than a closed system like Flash. If anyone knows of a java converter/viewer, I'd love to hear about it! Flash gets mentioned because the penetration rate is somewhere around 97% of all web browsers. Most likely, any web-based aggregators will go with Flash for video. On the other hand, Java's penatration rate within browsers is unknown and probably inconsistent in terms of versioning. There's one Java aggregator that I've found that does a decent job, even though it's beta, called I/ON: http://www.digitalmerging.la/archives/2005/10/ion_video_console_and_media_manager.html -- Michael Shipp * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: digitalmerging - Tech. Media. Convergence. http://www.digitalmerging.la Digital Pictures: Pixel Latte http://www.digitalmerging.net/pixellatte/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
check RSSOWL tooOn 11/8/05, Michael Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Digital wrote:Hey Folks -We've been talking about ease of use in aggregation and I keep hearingabout Flash. Isn't there an open source solution like java that can dothis? I would think the install base should be the same or larger than a closed system like Flash.If anyone knows of a java converter/viewer, I'd love to hear about it!Flash gets mentioned because the penetration rate is somewhere around 97% of all web browsers.Most likely, any web-based aggregators will gowith Flash for video.On the other hand, Java's penatration rate within browsers is unknownand probably inconsistent in terms of versioning.There's one Java aggregator that I've found that does a decent job, even though it'sbeta, called I/ON:http://www.digitalmerging.la/archives/2005/10/ion_video_console_and_media_manager.html --Michael Shipp*Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Blog: digitalmerging - Tech. Media. Convergence. http://www.digitalmerging.laDigital Pictures: Pixel Lattehttp://www.digitalmerging.net/pixellatte/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM~- Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- sull- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -The hybrid or the meeting of two media is a moment of truth and revelation from which new form is born - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://vlogdir.com - The Videoblog Directoryhttp://videobloggers.org - Free Videoblog Hosting / Vlogosphere Aggregator http://interdigitate.com - on again off again personal vlog SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
On 11/8/05, Michael Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash gets mentioned because the penetration rate is somewhere around 97% of all web browsers. Most likely, any web-based aggregators will go with Flash for video. On the other hand, Java's penatration rate within browsers is unknown and probably inconsistent in terms of versioning. There's one Java aggregator that I've found that does a decent job, even though it's beta, called I/ON: I/ON looked quite cool when I saw it demo'd. In the most recent Macromedia stats that I've seen (a few months old) they listed Flash at 97% and Java around 80%. Quicktime was around 60-70%. To adjust for the difference between any install at all and one that's in working condition I would knock 20% off. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] java viewer?!
Lucas Gonze wrote: On 11/8/05, Michael Shipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash gets mentioned because the penetration rate is somewhere around 97% of all web browsers. Most likely, any web-based aggregators will go with Flash for video. I/ON looked quite cool when I saw it demo'd. In the most recent Macromedia stats that I've seen (a few months old) they listed Flash at 97% and Java around 80%. Quicktime was around 60-70%. I'm actually surprised that Java is higher than Quicktime, no matter how you cut it. But I know that the QT number you quote has been fairly steady for some time now. -- Michael Shipp * Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blog: digitalmerging - Tech. Media. Convergence. http://www.digitalmerging.la Digital Pictures: Pixel Latte http://www.digitalmerging.net/pixellatte/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/lBLqlB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
