Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Stephanie Bryant 




On 8/23/05, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I understand the logistics make Apple stores nice for these
> presentations, but I have some problems with them:
> 
> a) Most people don't use or know anything about Macs

A lot of people who do this use Macs. And Macs aren't exactly rocket science.

> b) I have to censor myself when giving a presentation, I can't show what I want

Why's that? Why not show what you want-- just bring your own laptop
with your software, plug it in, show away.

> It's a great venue, I agree, with a nice theater area for showing
> work.  But maybe somewhere with PCs around too would be helpful for
> the large % of people out there who want to vlog but don't have a Mac?

A group of vloggers from the San Francisco event went to a film school
the next day to present about videoblogging-- there was no conflict
with doing so. On Friday, Sean Gilligan presented at a schmoozefest of
local filmmakers. Last night, I presented to a small, informal
gathering of female filmmakers. You should never feel that presenting
videoblogging must be an Apple Store event.

> I just don't want people to associate Meet The Vloggers events or
> videoblogging with Apple, or MS for that matter.

Well, I'd never had the tools available until I had a Mac, so I'm biased.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Markus Sandy 






Adult Education/Recreation courses/workshops (like Ryanne/Jay/Michael
at Flux Factory)?
Presentations to local Rotary or Chamber of Commerce meets
Public Schools - look at what Rene at Luxomedia.com is doing
Conferences - e.g., go to a real estate conference and show them a vlog
about a home for sale, blog conferences are very good too
More vloggercues while the weather is good?
Door-to-door? ("Hi, I see you're watching TV.  Let me take a minute to
show you Not TV.  If I can just jack into your DSL for a moment...")

markus


LeanBackVids.com wrote:

  Does anyone have any other suggested venues that would works in most
cities?

Libraries could offer computers, but they don't usually have
presentation areas.  Another problem is buzz.  I'm not sure about the
ratio of planned versus spontaneous attendance, but the goal is to
attract new people.  Most people don't know a damn thing about
vlogging, let alone entrenched enough to know about a slightly obscure
event on the topic in their local area.

Sorry for the rant and the lack of location suggestions.  All I can
come up with is that we need more promotion for these events. 
Needless to say, I'm chasing my own tail.

Oh and the censorship will always remain an issue when you are showing
videos to a crowd.  You never know a person's level of tolerance and
there very well may be little ones in attendance.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Jan 





Started a page at the Voxmedia Wiki on this very subject a 
week or so ago:
 
< http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Meet_The_Vloggers >
 
See "Possible Places to Teach"
 
Kindly add suggestions there so others may be inspired to 
begin to contact folks / organizations in their areas.
 
XOXOX,
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  Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple 
  store presentations
  Adult Education/Recreation courses/workshops (like 
  Ryanne/Jay/Michael at Flux Factory)?Presentations to local Rotary or 
  Chamber of Commerce meetsPublic Schools - look at what Rene at 
  Luxomedia.com is doingConferences - e.g., go to a real estate conference 
  and show them a vlog about a home for sale, blog conferences are very good 
  tooMore vloggercues while the weather is good?Door-to-door? ("Hi, I 
  see you're watching TV.  Let me take a minute to show you Not TV.  
  If I can just jack into your DSL for a 
  moment...")markusLeanBackVids.com wrote: 
  Does anyone have any other suggested venues that would works in most
cities?

Libraries could offer computers, but they don't usually have
presentation areas.  Another problem is buzz.  I'm not sure about the
ratio of planned versus spontaneous attendance, but the goal is to
attract new people.  Most people don't know a damn thing about
vlogging, let alone entrenched enough to know about a slightly obscure
event on the topic in their local area.

Sorry for the rant and the lack of location suggestions.  All I can
come up with is that we need more promotion for these events. 
Needless to say, I'm chasing my own tail.

Oh and the censorship will always remain an issue when you are showing
videos to a crowd.  You never know a person's level of tolerance and
there very well may be little ones in attendance.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Verdi 




Man I'd love to see that on video!
-Verdi
On Aug 23, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Markus Sandy wrote:

> Door-to-door? ("Hi, I see you're watching TV.  Let me take a minute  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Pete Prodoehl 




Adam Quirk wrote:
> I understand the logistics make Apple stores nice for these
> presentations, but I have some problems with them:
> 
> a) Most people don't use or know anything about Macs
> b) I have to censor myself when giving a presentation, I can't show what I want
> 
> It's a great venue, I agree, with a nice theater area for showing
> work.  But maybe somewhere with PCs around too would be helpful for
> the large % of people out there who want to vlog but don't have a Mac?
> 
> I just don't want people to associate Meet The Vloggers events or
> videoblogging with Apple, or MS for that matter.

So... Any other ideas? ;)

What businesses would benefit from a Meet the Vloggers presentation?

A consumer electronics stores? Camera/Video store? PC repair shop? Local 
user groups?

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Adam Quirk 




I understand the logistics make Apple stores nice for these
presentations, but I have some problems with them:

a) Most people don't use or know anything about Macs
b) I have to censor myself when giving a presentation, I can't show what I want

It's a great venue, I agree, with a nice theater area for showing
work.  But maybe somewhere with PCs around too would be helpful for
the large % of people out there who want to vlog but don't have a Mac?

I just don't want people to associate Meet The Vloggers events or
videoblogging with Apple, or MS for that matter.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Markus Sandy 




agreed, but where are there similar facilities that have the 
audience/equipment do not have the limitations?

jan suggested indie film festivals
schools with multimedia labs are another possibility

any other ideas?

maybe we should make this part of the discussion in the *video 
conference today* at 8pm EDT

http://flash.kmi.open.ac.uk:8080/fm/index.php?pwd=52d914-1459

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Adam Quirk wrote:

>I understand the logistics make Apple stores nice for these
>presentations, but I have some problems with them:
>
>a) Most people don't use or know anything about Macs
>b) I have to censor myself when giving a presentation, I can't show what I want
>
>It's a great venue, I agree, with a nice theater area for showing
>work.  But maybe somewhere with PCs around too would be helpful for
>the large % of people out there who want to vlog but don't have a Mac?
>
>I just don't want people to associate Meet The Vloggers events or
>videoblogging with Apple, or MS for that matter.
>
>  
>


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Adam Quirk 




On 8/23/05, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > a) Most people don't use or know anything about Macs
>  
>  A lot of people who do this use Macs. And Macs aren't exactly rocket
> science.

Yeah, but like I said, most people don't use or know anything about
Macs.  If the purpose of these things is to teach people how to
videoblog, we just need to keep in mind the fact that a pretty small
percentage of U.S. citizens know anything about Macs.  The general
public uses PC.
>  
>  > b) I have to censor myself when giving a presentation, I can't show what
> I want
>  
>  Why's that? Why not show what you want-- just bring your own laptop
>  with your software, plug it in, show away.

Well, I shouldn't have complained about that.  Like Matt said, you'll
always have some level of censorship when presenting to a public
crowd.  Strike it.

As for venues, I like Markus' door-to-door idea best.
All the suggestions presented here have been good.  I don't have
anything to add really.  I just wanted to put the idea out there, so
Apple doesn't marry videoblogging in some midnight ceremony while I'm
sleeping.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Pete Prodoehl 




Adam Quirk wrote:
> On 8/23/05, Stephanie Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> > a) Most people don't use or know anything about Macs
>> 
>> A lot of people who do this use Macs. And Macs aren't exactly rocket
>>science.
> 
> Yeah, but like I said, most people don't use or know anything about
> Macs.  If the purpose of these things is to teach people how to
> videoblog, we just need to keep in mind the fact that a pretty small
> percentage of U.S. citizens know anything about Macs.

A pretty large percentage of people that I associate with use Macs.


> The general public uses PC.

Ah, the "general public" eh? A group I tend to avoid... ;)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Markus Sandy 




Adam Quirk wrote:

>I just don't want people to associate Meet The Vloggers events or
>videoblogging with Apple, or MS for that matter.
>
>  
>
either do i off-hand, but what would be the harm?

i don't know of anyone who associates a certain activity with one OS

I have not heard
"oh, yeah - videoblogging - that's for mac people only"

i see no precedence for that (development, audio, video, biz, etc - sure 
there may be preferences, but that shouldn't stop anyone)

point is: as long as we can fill a room, why care which OS?  if the room 
is empty and there are hungry Windows OS folks, then i could see the point
but right now I'll present to anyone who is interested

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Markus Sandy 







Adam Quirk wrote:

  

a) Most people don't use or know anything about Macs


possibly so

but an interesting view from a meeting with some Adobe marketing people not too long back:

over 60% of "Creative Professional" market is Mac

He was talking about roughly 3-5 million people (Adobe's definition)
He also indicated that women were in the majority here.

fyi & fwiw, Markus


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Markus Sandy 






those are great videos and I would always prefer to be presenting in
places that are hip enough to realize that Satan does not care how high
you are when you eat cheese.

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thats not the same as not seeing why anybody else might have a problem
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Jen Simmons 




On Aug 23, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Ed wrote:
> I wholeheartedly agree.  I like Apple, but it feels kind of weird to 
> have a "free media"
> presentation under the roof of a single corporate sponsor.  The 
> association becomes too
> intense if all the "meet the vlogger" events are held at Apple stores.

I love Apple, but it does seem weird to me if too many times this huge 
corporation that has zillions of employees and zillions of dollars of 
profit is letting kind-hearted videobloggers come and teach for free 
just out of the love of the thing. As a customer in the store, I would 
expect that the people doing those presentations are being paid by 
Apple. It's good for Apple -- good p.r., good marketing, good for 
sales and so I think they should start paying presenting 
videobloggers.

The volunteer efforts of kind-hearted + generous videobloggers seem 
better situated at media arts centers, libraries, community education 
centers, arts organizations, local mom-and-pop cybercafes, etc where 
there is an understanding that this is for everyday people, and isn't 
necessarily about anybody making any money, and if just a bunch of 
excited people teaching a bunch of excited people outside of the 
"marketplace".

(and it is so frustrating writing these emails, knowing they are not 
going to show up for a hour or more!)

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Kunga 




Anyone anywhere in Northern California, I will be there with you or sub.

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> Started a page at the Voxmedia Wiki on this very subject a week or  
> so ago:
>
> < http://www.voxmedia.org/wiki/Meet_The_Vloggers >
>
> See "Possible Places to Teach"
>
> Kindly add suggestions there so others may be inspired to begin to  
> contact folks / organizations in their areas.
>
> XOXOX,
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Verdi 




Here are a few thoughts...
I think the Apple stores are good (and easy) for getting the word  
out.  I would also love to see those kinds of presentations happen in  
more venues.  I've done them at conferences, art centers, colleges,  
my house, other people's houses, the extra room at my theater, and  
cafes.

I hear what Schlomo is saying about wanting to do more teaching  
rather than just showing.  I think both are important though.  I  
would really like to combine the two - have a presentation one day  
and then a class another day.  Those that are really into the  
presentation will come back for the class.  In the past when I've  
done just a class, I've always started it with a little  
presentation.  Also, since it's so new, I think some people have to  
hear about it a number of times before they take action.  I'd heard  
about blogs for about 2 years before I decided to sit down and figure  
out how they were different from a regular website.

Also Steve made a good point about who feels comfortable in an Apple  
Store or a university.  That's important to keep in mind.  For the  
most part, we're a group of middle class white people (and mostly men  
at that) - the majority of the world is not that.

In my mind, some of the reasons we've been working on the Node101  
idea has been to have a dedicated place to teach people (at no cost)  
where anyone is welcome and to have a place where people can just  
come in and use the equipment - especially those that can't afford  
their own.  There can be presentations and classes all the time.   
People can just drop in if they want.  They can bring their own  
laptop, use the wi-fi and hang out with other videobloggers.  You can  
show some people how to use php to generate html and embed quicktime  
automatically and you can show others what that whole internet thing  
is about.

Tools:  Anyone who knows me know I love Macs and their tools.  I  
taught in a high school for a few years and had to use PCs and I ran  
a media arts program for a few years and used nothing but Macs.  My  
life was much easier when I was using Macs.  That being said, I'd  
teach people how to videoblog with an old tire and some bran flakes  
if that's what was available.  To me the bigger issues are the  
concepts - how to tell a story, etc.  Also when it comes to  
technology, if you understand the process - capture, edit, compress,  
upload, post - you've done most of the hard work.  As great as Macs  
are, PCs are decent copies :)  So what if the button is over here  
instead of over there?  It all works pretty much the same way.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Pete Prodoehl 




Michael Verdi wrote:
> That being said, I'd  
> teach people how to videoblog with an old tire and some bran flakes  
> if that's what was available. 

That pretty much describes the equipment I use. Plus duct tape, you can 
never have enough duct tape.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Jen Simmons 




Markus wrote:
> agreed, but where are there similar facilities that have the
> audience/equipment do not have the limitations?
>
> jan suggested indie film festivals
> schools with multimedia labs are another possibility

Where should videoblogging workshops / classes be taught???
IN MEDIA ARTS CENTERS!!!

There's already a 30+ year old movement of artists, activists, and 
non-profit administrators who've been working hard to promote 
grassroots creation of media arts (video, film, new media, radio, etc).

Videoblogging has introduced a new form of super-cheap distribution, 
and new energy to the idea of every-day people making movies -- but 
this is not totally new. Not at all. The movement started when video 
cameras were invented + became cheaper and cheaper -- or was is when 
Super-8 made home movies possible? Most media arts centers were started 
using analog video shooting + editing as their medium, and distribution 
through community film festival circuits, libraries, cable access 
channels and satellite broadcasting (like Deep Dish). These media arts 
centers  offer classes, equipment and networking opportunties for 
people interested in creating video and film. Videoblogging is be a 
great thing that media arts centers should know about and use in their 
work. And the physical resources and infrastructure (and years of 
experience with these issues) that all already in place is something 
this videoblogging community should put to use.

Anyone who is interested in media arts centers should start by reading 
about NAMAC - the National Alliance for Media Arts and Culture. 
http://namac.org/category.cfm?id=6 > NAMAC is a (U.S. based) 
national alliance of media arts centers, and they have a database of 
such places on their website. Look and see if there is a NAMAC member 
in your area:
http://namac.org/directory_org.cfm?id=4&cid=56&monly=0

NAMAC is also having their national conference here in Philadelphia at 
the end of September. Verdi, Ryanne, Jay and myself will all be there 
teaching about videoblogging and making connections with other people 
and organizations -- come to Philly and join us!
http://www.takingliberties2005.org/

There's also a whole library of articles about some of these issues 
that are being raised on this list, including fundraising strategies, 
organizational development, media policy issues, visual literacy
http://namac.org/section.cfm?id=2

Don't re-invent the wheel!! Connect up with those who've come 
before !!!

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Sullivan 



I've just returned from vacation and delving back into all the vibrations here and other places i roam. 
I listended to a few vid conf archives today and scanned several threads... trying to catch up. 

this message by jen is so useful and i was getting ready to dredge
up such resources as I knew they existed from prior research I had done
when i was planning on creating "artist joints" which is basically what
node101 wants to do now except the focus was on more than just
videoblogging.  

i decided that the effort to fund raise and upkeep these spaces, even
if just one in one city, would be a much deeper burden than i would
have been able to handle with just a few people helping.  The
original idea was to provide a space that converged a small cafe, a
conference room, a theatre and a remaining multi-purpose space to be
used for existing needs or scale to new needs. 
Quite a lofty concept.  
I then decided to look into creating 'mobile spaces' where these
'artist joints' would borrow available spaces around an area for as
long as possible and move on to other coordinated spaces when
necessary.  This would require every aspect of the space to be
easily transportable assuming that the spaces would not always have
certain amenities.  
This would have been both easier and harder compared to stationary
spaces... but more affordable since it would mostly be donated
space.  There are def pros and cons.  

Which is better?  Node101 would like to have their own space...
and I understand why... but its riskier.  You need to have a lot
of money to maintain and sustain each space and it may not be too
enticing to potential patrons if its vlog centric and not catering to
other general niches.  

Media Arts Centers are setup for general needs of digital
artists.  I think it is important to ask what is really needed
verses the dream setup (vlog stations) and to use any contributions
wisely... use logic,  which may not nec yield the coolest result.

One of my issues with Current.TV was that they spent hundreds of
millions to have their own network, when I feel that they could have
used the model and been successful as a channel.  I think that
same perception might be applied to Node101.  But I tend to waffle
on this a bit, since I had the dream of 'Artist Joints' and it was
fucking very cool ;-)

sull
On 8/23/05, Jen Simmons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Markus wrote:> agreed, but where are there similar facilities that have the> audience/equipment do not have the limitations?>> jan suggested indie film festivals> schools with multimedia labs are another possibility
Where should videoblogging workshops / classes be taught???IN MEDIA ARTS CENTERS!!!There's already a 30+ year old movement of artists, activists, andnon-profit administrators who've been working hard to promote
grassroots creation of media arts (video, film, new media, radio, etc).Videoblogging has introduced a new form of super-cheap distribution,and new energy to the idea of every-day people making movies -- but
this is not totally new. Not at all. The movement started when videocameras were invented + became cheaper and cheaper -- or was is whenSuper-8 made home movies possible? Most media arts centers were started
using analog video shooting + editing as their medium, and distributionthrough community film festival circuits, libraries, cable accesschannels and satellite broadcasting (like Deep Dish). These media artscenters  offer classes, equipment and networking opportunties for
people interested in creating video and film. Videoblogging is be agreat thing that media arts centers should know about and use in theirwork. And the physical resources and infrastructure (and years ofexperience with these issues) that all already in place is something
this videoblogging community should put to use.Anyone who is interested in media arts centers should start by readingabout NAMAC - the National Alliance for Media Arts and Culture.
http://namac.org/category.cfm?id=6 > NAMAC is a (U.S. based)national alliance of media arts centers, and they have a database ofsuch places on their website. Look and see if there is a NAMAC memberin your area:
http://namac.org/directory_org.cfm?id=4&cid=56&monly=0NAMAC is also having their national conference here in Philadelphia at
the end of September. Verdi, Ryanne, Jay and myself will all be thereteaching about videoblogging and making connections with other peopleand organizations -- come to Philly and join us!
http://www.takingliberties2005.org/There's also a whole library of articles about some of these issuesthat are being raised on this list, including fundraising strategies,organizational development, media policy issues, visual literacy
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-23 Thread Michael Verdi 




couple of more thought to add to the conversation
Ryanne said it in another thread and I'm planning on saying it in the  
video conference - Node101 can be done with no money - we've been  
doing it with no money - using our own equipment and donated spaces.
The whole network idea is to let nodes develop where and how they  
want - to reflect the needs/desires of the local community.  The last  
thing I want to do is manage a world-wide organization!  I'd just  
love to help people get them off the ground - teach the teachers kind  
of thing. That's what I love doing.

The hard part is, it takes people's time to be available and teach -  
that's why I started Freevlog - to help me teach more people than I  
had time to do in person.  I'd really love to get money to start what  
I call seed nodes (mainly to pay people to teach)  as an example so  
others can point to it and say, "we want one of those in our community."

I've run a "general" Media Arts center - we did web, film, graphic  
design, animations, etc, etc.  That's very hard to do well.  You  
either need lots of people to teach or you need someone crazy enough  
to take it all on - Jen and I did this, btw.  The thing that I like  
about videoblogging (and podcasting) is that it's a nice framework  
around which you can build what you want.  Also it's just plain cool  
and can be done with pretty cheap tools (if you bough a used computer  
you could build yourself a world wide media studio for under $500).

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On Aug 23, 2005, at 5:26 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>
> Which is better?  Node101 would like to have their own space... and  
> I understand why... but its riskier.  You need to have a lot of  
> money to maintain and sustain each space and it may not be too  
> enticing to potential patrons if its vlog centric and not catering  
> to other general niches.
>
> Media Arts Centers are setup for general needs of digital artists.   
> I think it is important to ask what is really needed verses the  
> dream setup (vlog stations) and to use any contributions wisely...  
> use logic,  which may not nec yield the coolest result.
>
> One of my issues with Current.TV was that they spent hundreds of  
> millions to have their own network, when I feel that they could  
> have used the model and been successful as a channel.  I think that  
> same perception might be applied to Node101.  But I tend to waffle  
> on this a bit, since I had the dream of 'Artist Joints' and it was  
> fucking very cool ;-)
>



  




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: apple store presentations

2005-08-24 Thread Stephanie Bryant 




On 8/23/05, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> couple of more thought to add to the conversation
> Ryanne said it in another thread and I'm planning on saying it in the
> video conference - Node101 can be done with no money - we've been
> doing it with no money - using our own equipment and donated spaces.

Michael, how is a plane ticket from New York to San Francisco "no
money"? How is your own equipment "no money"? These things *do* cost
money. Perhaps it is money you would have spent anyway, or money you
had already budgeted for this semi-pro hobby, or money you had already
spent, but it's still money.

> The hard part is, it takes people's time to be available and teach -
> that's why I started Freevlog - to help me teach more people than I
> had time to do in person.  

Freevlog and a teach-the-teachers approach are the ways to go, I
think. We need to use the resources we have to get the word out, and
we need to use the web as effectively as possible-- we are, after all,
teaching people to put their stuff on the web, right? We need to find
local vloggers, give them the tools and resources (the "talking
points" if you will) for teaching others about vlogging.

I still maintain that a videoblogging van tour is not an efficient way
to spread the word. Locally, we have the guy driving around with
"Stephen King killed John Lennon" painted all over his van-- nobody
takes him seriously, either.

--Stephanie

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