Re: [Videolib] copyright question

[Jessica Rosner]

Did the earth come off it's axis yet?

I kid I kid.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:40 PM,   wrote:
> agree
>
> gary handman
>
>
>> of course he can. As long as it is a legal copy you can use it in a class
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:29 PM,   wrote:
>>> A professor wants to show a video in class (and would meet all the
>>> requirements of the in class exception), however, we don't own the video
>>> and
>>> cannot buy a copy.  We can, however, interlibrary loan it and I found a
>>> library that will ship us their copy.  Can the professor show the
>>> interlibrary loan copy in class?  Thanks,
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>> Matthew Wright
>>> Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services
>>> William S. Boyd School of Law
>>> University of Nevada Las Vegas
>>> 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080
>>> Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080
>>> (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax)
>>>
>>>
>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>>> issues
>>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>>> control,
>>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>>> and
>>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>>> effective
>>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>>> distributors.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jessica Rosner
>> Media Consultant
>> 224-545-3897 (cell)
>> 212-627-1785 (land line)
>> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
>> producers and distributors.
>>
>
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] copyright question

[ghandman]

agree

gary handman


> of course he can. As long as it is a legal copy you can use it in a class
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:29 PM,   wrote:
>> A professor wants to show a video in class (and would meet all the
>> requirements of the in class exception), however, we don't own the video
>> and
>> cannot buy a copy.  We can, however, interlibrary loan it and I found a
>> library that will ship us their copy.  Can the professor show the
>> interlibrary loan copy in class?  Thanks,
>> Matthew
>>
>>
>> Matthew Wright
>> Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services
>> William S. Boyd School of Law
>> University of Nevada Las Vegas
>> 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080
>> Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080
>> (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax)
>>
>>
>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
>> issues
>> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
>> control,
>> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
>> and
>> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
>> effective
>> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
>> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
>> distributors.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
> Media Consultant
> 224-545-3897 (cell)
> 212-627-1785 (land line)
> jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] copyright question

[Jessica Rosner]

of course he can. As long as it is a legal copy you can use it in a class



On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 7:29 PM,   wrote:
> A professor wants to show a video in class (and would meet all the
> requirements of the in class exception), however, we don't own the video and
> cannot buy a copy.  We can, however, interlibrary loan it and I found a
> library that will ship us their copy.  Can the professor show the
> interlibrary loan copy in class?  Thanks,
> Matthew
>
>
> Matthew Wright
> Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services
> William S. Boyd School of Law
> University of Nevada Las Vegas
> 4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080
> Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080
> (702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax)
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] copyright question

[matthew . wright]

A professor wants to show a video in class (and would meet all the
requirements of the in class exception), however, we don't own the video
and cannot buy a copy.  We can, however, interlibrary loan it and I found a
library that will ship us their copy.  Can the professor show the
interlibrary loan copy in class?  Thanks,
Matthew



Matthew Wright
Head of Collection Development and Instructional Services
William S. Boyd School of Law
University of Nevada Las Vegas
4505 Maryland Parkway, Box 451080
Las Vegas, NV 89154-1080
(702) 895-2409; (702) 895-2410 (fax)VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
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distributors.

[Videolib] Copyright on movies of the 1950s

[Deg Farrelly]

Apologies if someone else has already posted this.  I read my email from
earliest received to latest received, so if someone else replied I have
not yet seen the message.

David Pierce's book, referenced earlier is:

Motion Picture Copyrights and Renewals 195-59

Here is the WorldCat entry for the book:
http://www.worldcat.org/title/motion-picture-copyrights-renewals-1950-1959/
oclc/21232046&referer=brief_results

-deg


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Arizona State University
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Phone:  480.965.1403
Email:  deg.farre...@asu.edu



On 2/28/12 4:54 AM, "videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

>Since most of them were made in the 1950s you may have a
>pretty easy time confirming this as there is a book listing the copyright
>info on all films released in that decade. I forget the exact title but is
>by David Pierce and came out at least 20  years ago. 


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Re: [Videolib] Croisières sidérales

[Jessica Rosner]

I assume it is not out on DVD in France? Had Montparnasse owned it
recently? While you can't force a former rights holder to give you any
information do not believe them if they say they have no clue if they have
had rights in the last 5 or 10 years. If they are still in business they
should have a way at least 90% of the time to give some information on
either where they returned material or from whom they had the rights.  I
would  try to very politely to get them to look it up for you.

Good luck

2012/2/28 Christina Winter 

>  Hello,
>
> I'm having some difficulty in locating the copyright owner for the film
> "Croisières sidérales" (1941 or 1942).
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033501/
> We contacted Editions Montparnasse but it appears that they no longer hold
> the distribution rights to this film.
> Any help with this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Best,
> Christina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Christina Winter **
>
>  Copyright Officer
>
> Dr. John Archer Library
>
> University of Regina
>
> Ph: (306) 585-4642 
>
> Fax: (306) 585-4493
>
> E-mail: christina.win...@uregina.ca
>
> www.uregina.ca/library
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] All Region DVDs

[joyce Johnson]

Hi Becky,
I think you may be referring to the commonly used DVD-Rs which play in  
all regions, Zone 0 (All Region DVD).  They usually won't play in  
players that were purchased over 10 years ago.  Since it seems to be a  
regular problem for you, it might be worth putting a little preprinted  
sticker on the cases that have DVD-Rs saying it might not play in a  
DVD player that was purchased over 10 years ago.  This will help you  
with the headache of the people who haven't updated their system in a  
while and want to return the film because it doesn't work in their old  
player.   We sell DVD-Rs and haven't had any returned in the 5 years  
of selling from our website.

Hope that helps,
Joyce

On Feb 27, 2012, at 4:01 PM, Tatar, Becky wrote:

> Hi, all
>
> We've finally found the DVD Tomorrow When the World Began.  It's  
> available on Amazon as an All Region DVD.  My question is - are  
> there any problems with playing these on our DVD players?  People  
> won't come up and complain that the disc won't play?  (a complaint  
> heard very often!)  Thanks
>
> Becky Tatar
> Periodicals/Audiovisuals
> Aurora Public Library
> 1 E. Benton Street
> Aurora, IL   60505
> Phone: 630-264-4100
> FAX: 630-896-3209
> blt...@aurora.lib.il.us
> www.aurorapubliclibrary.org
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of  
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation,  
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current  
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It  
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for  
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between  
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and  
> distributors.
>


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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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[Videolib] Croisières sidérales

[Christina Winter]

Hello,
 
I'm having some difficulty in locating the copyright owner for the film
"Croisières sidérales" (1941 or 1942).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0033501/
We contacted Editions Montparnasse but it appears that they no longer
hold the distribution rights to this film.
Any help with this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Best,
Christina
 
 
 
 
 
 

Christina Winter 


Copyright Officer
Dr. John Archer Library

University of Regina

Ph: (306) 585-4642 

Fax: (306) 585-4493

E-mail: christina.win...@uregina.ca
www.uregina.ca/library
 
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Looking for "Faces of Japan" PBS series..

[ghandman]

well, it ain't gonna set the world on fire doc-wise, but

http://films.com/id/2918/Japan_Past_and_Present.htm

is still around (films.com)

gary


> Howdy folks,
>
> I'm fairly positive it is out of print, but does anyone know where I might
> be able to score copies of the 26 part (1987-1988) PBS series, "Faces of
> Japan" narrated by Dick Cavett, produced by TeleJapan USA?  We have an
> instructor who uses it frequently, but ILL and "26 part VHS series" is
> just
> not a happy combination for a course offered regularly.  As a fall back,
> can anyone recommend a documentary that might capture the stresses of
> contemporary Japanese society (which I suspect was all the rage in the
> roaring '80's), from a first person account?
>
> Thanks!
> Scott
>
> --
> Scott Spicer
> Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian
> University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities
> 341 Walter Library
> spic0...@umn.edu612.626.0629
> Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media
> SMART Learning Commons: smart.umn.edu
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>


Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Looking for "Faces of Japan" PBS series..

[Reichert, Allen]

Hi Scott,

I can't help with "Faces of Japan."  However, you might check out Fuji Creative 
Corporation http://www.fujicreative.co.jp/intldept/index.html  - look under 
documentaries.

You could probably get The Long Search too- the episode that focuses on 
Buddhism in Japan.  I've used this in the past but it has numerous drawbacks 
(not first person, dated (1977), focused just on the difficulties of Buddhism, 
and a host that eventually becomes insufferable after multiple watchings).

There are also some shows on NHK World - but nothing is distributed.

Friendly regards,
Allen Reichert
Electronic Access Librarian
Otterbein University

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott spicer
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:35 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Looking for "Faces of Japan" PBS series..

Howdy folks,

I'm fairly positive it is out of print, but does anyone know where I might be 
able to score copies of the 26 part (1987-1988) PBS series, "Faces of Japan" 
narrated by Dick Cavett, produced by TeleJapan USA?  We have an instructor who 
uses it frequently, but ILL and "26 part VHS series" is just not a happy 
combination for a course offered regularly.  As a fall back, can anyone 
recommend a documentary that might capture the stresses of contemporary 
Japanese society (which I suspect was all the rage in the roaring '80's), from 
a first person account?

Thanks!
Scott

--
Scott Spicer
Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian
University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities
341 Walter Library
spic0...@umn.edu612.626.0629
Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media
SMART Learning Commons: smart.umn.edu
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Purpose of listserv

[ghandman]

Hi

The purpose of the list is broad:

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition, bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication between libraries, educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

The primary focus of the discussion supported by this list will be on
video collection, access, and use. Examples of discussion topics include:
copyright and intellectual property issues; evaluations of materials;
collection development policy issues; selection methodology; acquisition
concerns (locating hard-to-find materials, library/vendor relations,
etc.), issues related to evolving video technologies and libraries.
Discussions regarding video hardware and the specifics of video technology
are not generally encouraged. Discussions which are merely recreational in
nature are also firmly discouraged Such discussions include protracted
conversations regarding favorite films, movie trivia, and fan
correspondence.


I think that, for the most part, we've pretty much stuck to those
parameters.  Copyright is a big area of discussion, obviously, and I think
that it's an important area of concern and discourse.  It can be a
contentious subject (also obviously) because of the differing views of
stake holders and the fact that there's currently much open to
interpretation in the letter and applications of the laws.  I fully expect
copyright and fair use to be a front-and-center issues for media (and
other) librarians for a long time to come as the media universe continues
to evolve and shift.

This is a working list, which means most of what is discussed can and
should be directly (or even indirectly) useful to the practice of media
librarianship.  As with any listserv, endless conjecture, fruitless
banter, pointless argument (particularly argument with no clear or
immediate resolution) all run counter to the spirit and nature of the
list.

Videolib is an unmoderated list, which means subscribers can pretty much
post what they want.  I have only once in the 15 year history of this list
had to exercise my prerogative as list manager in ending a discussion or
bumping a subscriber. It's not something I did not do (and would not do
again) lightly because I strongly believe in keeping this an open,
democratic, and lively forum.  On the other hand, I have a definite stake
in making sure the list remains civil, supple, productive, and relevant to
the subscribers.

It is my sincere hope that we can stay on track, move forward, and live up
to the stated goals and intent of the list.

gary





> I have to chime in here in total agreement there is a lot of very
> useful information on this listserv, but also too much back-and forthing
> that clutters my inbox and interrupts my day. Switching to digest was not
> helpful.
> I would like to see a review of the purpose of the list (as listed at the
> bottom of this message) and the guidelines for contributions as I'm
> considering unsubscribing. Broad and lively discussion is one thing.  But
> it's feeling like a chat room and I've got other things to do if the
> members aren't going to get back to meaningful discussion.
> Caryl Ward
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Markus, Tim
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:54 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my
>
> Gary's voice of reason is why I haven't yet unsubscribed. That and I
> delete heavily without reading a lot the messages.
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Griest, Bryan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:22 AM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my
>
> Clearly you aren't meant to meddle in our copyright "discussions", Gary!
>
> -Original Message-
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
> as an effective workin

[Videolib] suggestions for films on Kabbala and Christian spirituality

[Sarah E. McCleskey]

Can anyone suggest titles?  I need something on Kabbala in general, and also on 
Christian spirituality.  Would appreciate any hints.

Thanks.

Sarah E. McCleskey
Head of Access Services
Acting Director, Film and Media Library
112 Axinn Library
Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY 11549-1230
sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu
516-463-5076 (o)
516-463-4309 (f)
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<><>VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Purpose of listserv

[Music Hunter]

I'm a vendor that rarely posts here because I get slammed for " advertising
" when I merely respond to a posting with availability & cost. Instead, if
possible, I contact individuals directly when we can supply their title.

My observation is that Caryl is right on target in describing this list as
very similar to a chat room. In fact, it should be clear to all subscribers
that seemingly half of the postings are from 2 or 3 individuals who must
know who they are.

Just my humble opinion.

Your search for sound & video ends here!
Jay Sonin, General Manager
Music Hunter Distributing Company
4880 North Citation Drive, Suite # 101
Delray Beach, Florida 33445-6552
musichunter...@gmail.com
561-450-7152 


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Caryl M Ward
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 2:30 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Purpose of listserv

I have to chime in here in total agreement there is a lot of very
useful information on this listserv, but also too much back-and forthing
that clutters my inbox and interrupts my day. Switching to digest was not
helpful.
I would like to see a review of the purpose of the list (as listed at the
bottom of this message) and the guidelines for contributions as I'm
considering unsubscribing. Broad and lively discussion is one thing.  But
it's feeling like a chat room and I've got other things to do if the
members aren't going to get back to meaningful discussion.
Caryl Ward


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Markus, Tim
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:54 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Gary's voice of reason is why I haven't yet unsubscribed. That and I
delete heavily without reading a lot the messages.

Tim

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Griest, Bryan
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:22 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Clearly you aren't meant to meddle in our copyright "discussions", Gary!

-Original Message-


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control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
distributors.


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Looking for "Faces of Japan" PBS series..

[scott spicer]

Howdy folks,

I'm fairly positive it is out of print, but does anyone know where I might
be able to score copies of the 26 part (1987-1988) PBS series, "Faces of
Japan" narrated by Dick Cavett, produced by TeleJapan USA?  We have an
instructor who uses it frequently, but ILL and "26 part VHS series" is just
not a happy combination for a course offered regularly.  As a fall back,
can anyone recommend a documentary that might capture the stresses of
contemporary Japanese society (which I suspect was all the rage in the
roaring '80's), from a first person account?

Thanks!
Scott

-- 
Scott Spicer
Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian
University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities
341 Walter Library
spic0...@umn.edu612.626.0629
Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media
SMART Learning Commons: smart.umn.edu
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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Purpose of listserv

[Caryl M Ward]

I have to chime in here in total agreement there is a lot of very
useful information on this listserv, but also too much back-and forthing
that clutters my inbox and interrupts my day. Switching to digest was not
helpful.
I would like to see a review of the purpose of the list (as listed at the
bottom of this message) and the guidelines for contributions as I'm
considering unsubscribing. Broad and lively discussion is one thing.  But
it's feeling like a chat room and I've got other things to do if the
members aren't going to get back to meaningful discussion.
Caryl Ward


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Markus, Tim
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 1:54 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Gary's voice of reason is why I haven't yet unsubscribed. That and I
delete heavily without reading a lot the messages.

Tim

-Original Message-
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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Griest, Bryan
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:22 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Clearly you aren't meant to meddle in our copyright "discussions", Gary!

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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

[Markus, Tim]

Gary's voice of reason is why I haven't yet unsubscribed. That and I
delete heavily without reading a lot the messages.

Tim

-Original Message-
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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Griest, Bryan
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Clearly you aren't meant to meddle in our copyright "discussions", Gary!

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preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
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working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
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distributors.

Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

[Tatar, Becky]

I'll put out a plea - please don't unsubscribe.  This is the best place to be 
for all things in film knowledge and libraries.  I recommend this list to 
anyone I talk to about video and film.  I talk about my friends Jessica, Deg, 
Gary, Randy, Monique, etc.  and all I've learned from them.   Do the 
discussions get heated?  Yes.  Do they always concern things I need to worry 
about right now at my library? No.  However, it's great that people are so 
passionate about this field, and care.  If they didn't care, there would be no 
discussion.  So, on that note - thank you to all who do contribute.  I have 
learned so much from being on this list.  

Becky Tatar
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Aurora Public Library
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-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Whoa

I don't know if this is a function of some worm or virus, or a result of recent 
skirmishes on this list, but I've just been notified of about 150 
unsubscription actions.

Yow!

gary

Gary Handman
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VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

[Mike Tribby]

"Lightning flash, weak heart[s] drop"--Big Youth




Mike Tribby
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses

mailto:mike.tri...@quality-books.com


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of 
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 12:09 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Whoa

I don't know if this is a function of some worm or virus, or a result of recent 
skirmishes on this list, but I've just been notified of about 150 
unsubscription actions.

Yow!

gary

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

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"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

[Jessica Rosner]

You could try tricking them back. Start a thread called sources for the 100
hardest to find films that really are on DVD.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM,  wrote:

> Whoa
>
> I don't know if this is a function of some worm or virus, or a result of
> recent skirmishes on this list, but I've just been notified of about 150
> unsubscription actions.
>
> Yow!
>
> gary
>
> Gary Handman
> Director
> Media Resources Center
> Moffitt Library
> UC Berkeley
>
> 510-643-8566
> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC
>
> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
> --Francois Truffaut
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>



-- 
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212-627-1785 (land line)
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Re: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

[Griest, Bryan]

Clearly you aren't meant to meddle in our copyright "discussions", Gary!

-Original Message-
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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:09 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] videolib ... oh my

Whoa

I don't know if this is a function of some worm or virus, or a result of
recent skirmishes on this list, but I've just been notified of about 150
unsubscription actions.

Yow!

gary

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--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel
of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
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distributors.

[Videolib] videolib ... oh my

[ghandman]

Whoa

I don't know if this is a function of some worm or virus, or a result of
recent skirmishes on this list, but I've just been notified of about 150
unsubscription actions.

Yow!

gary

Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
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http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Copyright Issues for D2L/Online Learners

[Jessica Rosner]

Michael
To be honest that has been the most frustrating thing about your view,
despite being repeatedly told by many independent distributors you insist
there is no harm and no difference in streaming an entire film Vs a library
owning a single copy. Copyright law allows libraries to circulate copies,
put them on reserve and for professors to show them in an actual  classroom
( FYI the "face to face" exemption is one of the very explicit parts of
copyright law but this has not stopped many people from claiming it has any
relation to streaming). Dennis has done a far better job than me in
explaining the devestating effects on independent distributors in
particular to both streaming and copying films. It is like some insane
catch 22. You have not made your 1990 documentary on the lesbian basket
weaving co-operative in Boliva available in DVD so we will just digitize
and stream our VHS, wait you mean it costs money to remaster and release a
DVD ? but we need it right now and it is just too bad you did not make it
for us. We were willing to pay $25 for it. Basically you say if a
distributor can't afford, can't access or had rights issues preventing them
from releasing a title on DVD ,  just make a copy. That virtually assures
that no decent legal copy will ever be released. Copyright law does not in
any way guarentee access to a copy in your preferred format of any film
ever made but that does seem to be the gist of what you are saying.

Do  you really think the distributors on this list are either liars or
stupid? That have not seen are markets dying because of illegal copying and
streaming , that would not rather make everything available on DVD? You
simply have NO idea how the business works and what work and costs are
involved in making films available.

"guidelines" which deliberately misrepresent copyrlght law and the various
legal precedents are being used as an excuse to justify illegal copying and
streaming.

ou have said, I am very much  focused on and concerned about the effect on
the copyright  holder. That is why I have repeatedly asked in certain
situations, what the actual or potential damages to a copyright holder
there might be for a particular use. There must be a balance in copyright
that rewards creators, but also provides exceptions to their exclusive
rights in order to “promote the progress of science and useful arts.”

> ** **
>
> For example, if a copyright holder is not actively commercially exploiting
> their work (suggesting a limited market), I don’t see what negative effect
> there would be in reformatting “inconvenient” formats (16mm, Umatic, even
> VHS) to more accessible formats (where the title does not exist in that
> format) for certain, limited uses (use in the classroom, use for research,
> etc.), especially if there were a commitment (and some effective controls)
> to protect further distribution or copying and to purchase the title,
> should it be made available on the market by the copyright holder in a
> suitable, updated format.  
>
> ** **
>
> I don’t see the harm here and actually see the potential for something
> like this to stimulate the market for the work (since scholarship and
> instructional use could expand interest in the work).  
>
> ** **
>
> I’d like to be able to have productive discussions with librarians and
> rights holders about things like this.  Rather than just hearing that our
> approaches  are wrong or illegal because of the rulings in some past court
> case (which only inform and guide practice, but do not render it illegal),
> it would be nice to hear what the real concerns are about the effects on
> rights holders so we might better understand how  (or if) those concerns
> might be allayed? The more we understand the concerns and potential
> negative effects, the better we should be able to equitably balance those
> with the intended purposes of the use.
>
> ** **
>
> mb
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Michael Brewer
>
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
>
> University of Arizona Libraries
>
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 11:46 PM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Copyright Issues for D2L/Online Learners
>
> ** **
>
> Michael
>
> Feel free to correct me if I am misstating this but I recall you were the
> first person (prior to the "code") to say that since there had never been
> an exact case that said you could not stream an entire film than perhaps
> you could. You may see that as an academic exorcise but it is a reality for
> me and as I have posted there is in fact a whole lot of case law related to
> this which is simply being glossed over and ignored. Again the Kinko's case
> followed directly by the Michigan documents  case were unequivocal that you
> could not copy large chunks of copyrighted mate

Re: [Videolib] Copyright Issues for D2L/Online Learners

[ghandman]

This is the last post on this topic unless there's a major breakthrough or
substantive information to impart, Jessica.

After...I must push the UNSUB button, I'm afraid.

gary


> Michael
> Feel free to correct me if I am misstating this but I recall you were the
> first person (prior to the "code") to say that since there had never been
> an exact case that said you could not stream an entire film than perhaps
> you could. You may see that as an academic exorcise but it is a reality
> for
> me and as I have posted there is in fact a whole lot of case law related
> to
> this which is simply being glossed over and ignored. Again the Kinko's
> case
> followed directly by the Michigan documents  case were unequivocal that
> you
> could not copy large chunks of copyrighted material merely because they
> were for educational use. It has been more or less black letter copyright
> law that you may only use portions of works to create new works (
> Transformative). They Britannica case made it clear that even if the
> people
> doing the copying were non profit institutions they could NOT copy and use
> entire works. The only case that challenged this was SONY involved
> individuals "time shifting " for private use and every case I cited
> happened AFTER Sony so it was no defense. The claim that "fair use" can
> legitimately cover copying and streaming and entire work is not a
> speculative idea but is happening every day and again PLEASE correct if i
> am wrong but you seem to believe that it is acceptable because the law is
> somehow vague on this.
>
> I realize I am the designated "ranter" here but I don't think I can
> overstate how personally  distributors and filmmakers feel betrayed by
> people they believed supported them. I am NOT referring to most people
> here
> but to basically say there really isn't anything we can do about it and
> you
> (me) should not writing about it is not an answer. Per my previous
> response
> to Gary if someone came in and told you they were doing to take every item
> in the library, digitize and stream it so the library and you  would no
> longer be necessary I suspect you might be ranting too.
>
> PS sorry this was lost in my draft box for the day by mistake.
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Brewer, Michael <
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
>>  Jessica, 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You put my name in here and then followed up by implying that I’ve
>> deliberately and systematically misstated copyright law (you only
>> mentioned
>> me, Pat and ARL, so I am assuming that the “people” below also refers to
>> me).  I don’t believe I’ve misstated anything.  If anything, I’ve tried
>> to
>> simply point out your misstatements and overgeneralizations by referring
>> directly to the law.  Please point out where you feel I’ve made
>> misstatements and I’ll gladly retract them if they are, in fact,
>> misstatements. It would be refreshing if you’d agree to do the same.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> mb
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Michael Brewer
>>
>> Team Leader for Instructional Services
>>
>> University of Arizona Libraries
>>
>> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
>> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 27, 2012 1:09 PM
>> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Copyright Issues for D2L/Online Learners
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Not going to happen Gary. That was indeed a sarcastic response but when
>> people continue to write things and deliberately and systematically
>> misstate copyright law ( some things are open to interpretation, others
>> are
>> not) I will respond ( I certainly do not need Mike) In a matter of weeks
>> we
>> have seen a chunk of the library establishment condone a level of
>> copyright
>> infringement that is staggering and they have largely focused it on
>> media
>> rather than books. I still don't see ARL suggesting you can scan and
>> stream
>> books for a course and about the only response I get when I actually
>> quote
>> case law and literal factual errors is
>>
>> "This exact issue has never been decided" or that I am paranoid. There
>> is
>> again a clear and unambiguous case law in from two Federal appeals
>> courts
>> stating that while the exact portion of fair use is debatable the
>> copying
>> of significant portions of written works is a a violation of "Fair Use".
>> At
>> no time in the nearly 20 years since the first case was decided did an
>> institution or group claim that because the cases involved "for profit"
>> entities  "non profit" entities could in fact use more let alone all of
>> a
>> work. In addition there is a case from the 80s in which a consortium of
>> schools copied and distributed entire films and TV programs and they
>> were
>> completely bitched slapped down because despite the fact they were non
>> profit they could NOT copy and use whole films in classes both because
>

Re: [Videolib] Copyright Issues for D2L/Online Learners

[Brewer, Michael]

Jessica,

I think the results and reasonings of specific fair use cases certainly can 
give us guidance as we make our own case by case determinations of fair use.  
Despite what you have said, I am very much  focused on and concerned about the 
effect on the copyright  holder. That is why I have repeatedly asked in certain 
situations, what the actual or potential damages to a copyright holder there 
might be for a particular use. There must be a balance in copyright that 
rewards creators, but also provides exceptions to their exclusive rights in 
order to "promote the progress of science and useful arts."

For example, if a copyright holder is not actively commercially exploiting 
their work (suggesting a limited market), I don't see what negative effect 
there would be in reformatting "inconvenient" formats (16mm, Umatic, even VHS) 
to more accessible formats (where the title does not exist in that format) for 
certain, limited uses (use in the classroom, use for research, etc.), 
especially if there were a commitment (and some effective controls) to protect 
further distribution or copying and to purchase the title, should it be made 
available on the market by the copyright holder in a suitable, updated format.

I don't see the harm here and actually see the potential for something like 
this to stimulate the market for the work (since scholarship and instructional 
use could expand interest in the work).

I'd like to be able to have productive discussions with librarians and rights 
holders about things like this.  Rather than just hearing that our approaches  
are wrong or illegal because of the rulings in some past court case (which only 
inform and guide practice, but do not render it illegal), it would be nice to 
hear what the real concerns are about the effects on rights holders so we might 
better understand how  (or if) those concerns might be allayed? The more we 
understand the concerns and potential negative effects, the better we should be 
able to equitably balance those with the intended purposes of the use.

mb


Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:46 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Copyright Issues for D2L/Online Learners

Michael
Feel free to correct me if I am misstating this but I recall you were the first 
person (prior to the "code") to say that since there had never been an exact 
case that said you could not stream an entire film than perhaps you could. You 
may see that as an academic exorcise but it is a reality for me and as I have 
posted there is in fact a whole lot of case law related to this which is simply 
being glossed over and ignored. Again the Kinko's case followed directly by the 
Michigan documents  case were unequivocal that you could not copy large chunks 
of copyrighted material merely because they were for educational use. It has 
been more or less black letter copyright law that you may only use portions of 
works to create new works ( Transformative). They Britannica case made it clear 
that even if the people doing the copying were non profit institutions they 
could NOT copy and use entire works. The only case that challenged this was 
SONY involved individuals "time shifting " for private use and every case I 
cited happened AFTER Sony so it was no defense. The claim that "fair use" can 
legitimately cover copying and streaming and entire work is not a speculative 
idea but is happening every day and again PLEASE correct if i am wrong but you 
seem to believe that it is acceptable because the law is somehow vague on this.

I realize I am the designated "ranter" here but I don't think I can overstate 
how personally  distributors and filmmakers feel betrayed by
people they believed supported them. I am NOT referring to most people here but 
to basically say there really isn't anything we can do about it and you (me) 
should not writing about it is not an answer. Per my previous response to Gary 
if someone came in and told you they were doing to take every item in the 
library, digitize and stream it so the library and you  would no longer be 
necessary I suspect you might be ranting too.

PS sorry this was lost in my draft box for the day by mistake.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Brewer, Michael 
mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>> wrote:
Jessica,

You put my name in here and then followed up by implying that I've deliberately 
and systematically misstated copyright law (you only mentioned me, Pat and ARL, 
so I am assuming that the "people" below also refers to me).  I don't believe 
I've misstated anything.  If anything, I've tried to simply point out your 
misstatements and overgeneralizations by referring directly to the law.  Please 
point out where 

Re: [Videolib] New submission: Question about DVD Licensing for Brazil

[Jessica Rosner]

Thanks for the update. I think it would be perfectly safe for Wood films
though as they only SEEM to foreign.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Dennis Doros  wrote:

> There are volumes for the other years published by a company going up to
> 1950, which is why David did his 1950s book. But frankly, I don't believe
> any of them have been updated after the adoption of the Berne treaty so of
> course, they are not definitive on foreign films nor on films that have
> been registered later for copyright within their allowed time frame.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Jessica Rosner 
> wrote:
>
>> If only there were other volumes for other decades.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Sayre, J. Richard <
>> rsa...@monmouthcollege.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>  I only know it because you referred me to it a couple of years ago!  A
>>> very helpful reference title.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *
>>> *
>>>
>>
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Re: [Videolib] New submission: Question about DVD Licensing for Brazil

[Dennis Doros]

There are volumes for the other years published by a company going up to
1950, which is why David did his 1950s book. But frankly, I don't believe
any of them have been updated after the adoption of the Berne treaty so of
course, they are not definitive on foreign films nor on films that have
been registered later for copyright within their allowed time frame.

Dennis

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote:

> If only there were other volumes for other decades.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Sayre, J. Richard <
> rsa...@monmouthcollege.edu> wrote:
>
>>  I only know it because you referred me to it a couple of years ago!  A
>> very helpful reference title.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>
-- 
Best regards,
Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero
PO Box 128
Harrington Park, NJ 07640
Phone: 201-767-3117
Fax: 201-767-3035
email: milefi...@gmail.com
www.milestonefilms.com
www.comebackafrica.com
www.yougottomove.com
www.ontheboweryfilm.com
www.arayafilm.com
www.exilesfilm.com
www.wordisoutmovie.com
www.killerofsheep.com

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[Videolib] New submission: Question about DVD Licensing for Brazil

[Kristofer Paetau]

Dear videolib list,

forgive me if my topic is not relevant to your list, in that case I
would appreciate suggestions where to post my request:

I am a cultural producer in Brazil and I would like to make a
retrospective of Ed Wood here. I find myself in great difficulties to
find out who really owns the rights for dvd licensing for a public
presentation in Brazil. The presentation would take place in a
cultural center (non-commercial) but the entrance would be charged
around 2 US dollars in a very small movie for 80 people max. I
contacted the local MPLC in Brazil but since Ed Wood movies were
produced and distributed by small or obscure companies the MPLC is not
able to help me. I researched on IMDB but there are several
distributors for dvds listed (one brazilian company that actually has
absolutely no rights and is distributing dvds of the films illegally
in Brazil) so how can I know who really has the rights for Brazil?

Any comment or suggestion would be appreciated!

Warm regards, Kristofer Paetau




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> Take your questions to ARL, Jessica.  Or take them to Pat Aufderheide and
> her group.  Most of us were not involved in developing the recent
> guidelines. Furthermore, most of us have very little control over what
> goes on in the broader administration of institutions in which we work
> (many times despite concerted efforts to work with administrators and
> faculty on significant intellectual property issues).
>
> It is positively not productive to endlessly spar on this list.
>
>
> While I think continuing civil discourse about these issues is definitely
> in order and welcomed, this list is in danger of becoming one endless
> copyright and fair use slug-fest.  I've received a number of off-list
> notes of concern about this and, more disconcertingly, I notice a definite
> increase in the number of unsubscribe requests lately. As moderator (and
> originator) of the list, I really can't allow that to happen.  There's
> much too much other work, and too many other issues to tackle.
>
> The issues we've been batting around will eventually be settled by case
> law, or by the testing and defining of fair use applications in other
> legal arenas.  It is clear to me that the various sides of these issues
> have been more than thoroughly aired, and, at this point, unless there are
> really sage and unique insights to be had, all we're doing is spinning
> wheels.
>
> Again, unless I hear from members of this list that they have an
> overriding need to hear these issues and complaints beaten to a bloody
> pulp,  we need to move on, and I need to make that happen one way or the
> other.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>> Not going to happen Gary. That was indeed a sarcastic response but when
>> people continue to write things and deliberately and systematically
>> misstate copyright law ( some things are open to interpretation, others
>> are
>> not) I will respond ( I certainly do not need Mike) In a matter of weeks
>> we
>> have seen a chunk of the library establishment condone a level of
>> copyright
>> infringement that is staggering and they have largely focused it on media
>> rather than books. I still don't see ARL suggesting you can scan and
>> stream
>> books for a course and about the only response I get when I actually quote
>> case law and literal factual errors is
>> "This exact issue has never been decided" or that I am paranoid. There is
>> again a clear and unambiguous case law in from two Federal appeals courts
>> stating that while the exact portion of fair use is debatable the copying
>> of significant portions of written works is a a violation of "Fair Use".
>> At
>> no time in the nearly 20 years since the first case was decided did an
>> institution or group claim that because the cases involved "for profit"
>> entities  "non profit" entities coul