[Videolib] Your pricing policies
Hello Thanks for this link; your catalog has some interesting-sounding stuff in it. I have some fairly serious concerns about the wording of your pricing policy, however. US copyright law allows the screening of whole films/videos in face-to-face classroom teaching, REGARDLESS of the size of the class. Your pricing schedule wording ignores this fact. I understand the differential pricing for public performance rights, but your wording for the $175 library lending rights is misleading and not legally supportable, unless you consider this a contract stipulation, in which case I'd strongly urge my library colleagues not to do business with your firm. Let me know if you have questions, or if there are clarifications I should know about. Gary Handman $175 for library lending rights. Includes screenings rights in classrooms (up to 50 students). $250 library lending rights and public performance rights for screening when no admission fee is charged. (subject) Comments and Suggestion Form (from-name) Library Web user (from-email) someb...@library.berkeley.edu (urlRef) http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/vrtlists.html (comments) --- Dear Gary I have written before to you about our project Docs for Education I am waiting that Berekeley Library will join other prestigius universities and purchase our films See www.docsforeducation.com I want to have our film list on your video listing. thanks Nahum Laufer Docs for Education lauf...@netvision.net.il --- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] re Your pricing policies
Thanks There's still a problem, I'm afraid. Screening films/videos in a classroom in the service of regular curricula does not require separate rights in this country. The copyright laws of the US have a specific provision for allowing such use in face-to-face teaching. It would be more accurate (and honest) to simply charge two prices: One for use in classrooms and libraries, and one for public performance. As to your question: An opening screening (i.e. an extra-curricular screening) generally requires performance rights, even if a professor gives a spiel before the show, and even if no admittance fees are charged. Berkeley would be interested in joining your growing customer base, but not with the terms currently stated on your web site. Shalom, Gary Dear Gary Thanks for your answer and remarks. We knew about the rules of face to face screening in classrooms regardless of size We will remove the words (up to 50 students) from our pricing invoices. Anyway I am not around to count. I hope that will solve the legal problem Most university libraries purchased classroom screening rights, yet some preferred to buy also Public screening rights. Yet I have a question many universities have a film series open to all students faculty and if a professor gives a short explanation before the screening is that a face to face screening? I hope Berkeley will join our growing list of customers Shalom (Peace) Nahum Laufer Sales Docs for Education Erez Laufer Films Holland st 10 Afulla 18371 Israel - Original Message- From: m...@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:m...@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:05 PM To: lauf...@netvision.net.il Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Your pricing policies Hello Thanks for this link; your catalog has some interesting-sounding stuff in it. I have some fairly serious concerns about the wording of your pricing policy, however. US copyright law allows the screening of whole films/videos in face-to-face classroom teaching, REGARDLESS of the size of the class. Your pricing schedule wording ignores this fact. I understand the differential pricing for public performance rights, but your wording for the $175 library lending rights is misleading and not legally supportable, unless you consider this a contract stipulation, in which case I'd strongly urge my library colleagues not to do business with your firm. Let me know if you have questions, or if there are clarifications I should know about. Gary Handman $175 for library lending rights. Includes screenings rights in classrooms (up to 50 students). $250 library lending rights and public performance rights for screening when no admission fee is charged. (subject) Comments and Suggestion Form (from-name) Library Web user (from-email) someb...@library.berkeley.edu (urlRef) http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/vrtlists.html (comments) -- - Dear Gary I have written before to you about our project Docs for Education I am waiting that Berekeley Library will join other prestigius universities and purchase our films See www.docsforeducation.com http://www.docsforeducation.com/ I want to have our film list on your video listing. thanks Nahum Laufer Docs for Education lauf...@netvision.net.il -- - VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] re Your pricing policies
Nahum, Just to make it very clear, any legal copy of a film may be used in a class however unless you are selling your films in the retail market it is sort of irrelevant. You just price the film at X and X plus Y if you want to charge more for public performance rights. If you are the only source for the film you are free to charge whatever you think is fair and institutions are free to buy or not buy it at that price. The sore spot here is the idea that somehow academic institutions or libraries have to pay more than say copies sold on Amazon. You can sell to individuals directly at a lower price but unless you want a lot of paperwork and require a signed contract that copy can be used in a class. As for the 2nd part, there is NO right to show a film to an audience on or off a campus without specific permission from a rights holder ( such as PPR rights). Here is the important part of US copyright law which outlines that films may be used in course instruction but may not be used for any screenings outside of a class to a group of specifically enrolled students. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/110 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 3:08 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Thanks There's still a problem, I'm afraid. Screening films/videos in a classroom in the service of regular curricula does not require separate rights in this country. The copyright laws of the US have a specific provision for allowing such use in face-to-face teaching. It would be more accurate (and honest) to simply charge two prices: One for use in classrooms and libraries, and one for public performance. As to your question: An opening screening (i.e. an extra-curricular screening) generally requires performance rights, even if a professor gives a spiel before the show, and even if no admittance fees are charged. Berkeley would be interested in joining your growing customer base, but not with the terms currently stated on your web site. Shalom, Gary Dear Gary Thanks for your answer and remarks. We knew about the rules of face to face screening in classrooms regardless of size We will remove the words (up to 50 students) from our pricing invoices. Anyway I am not around to count. I hope that will solve the legal problem Most university libraries purchased classroom screening rights, yet some preferred to buy also Public screening rights. Yet I have a question many universities have a film series open to all students faculty and if a professor gives a short explanation before the screening is that a face to face screening? I hope Berkeley will join our growing list of customers Shalom (Peace) Nahum Laufer Sales Docs for Education Erez Laufer Films Holland st 10 Afulla 18371 Israel - Original Message- From: m...@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:m...@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:05 PM To: lauf...@netvision.net.il Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Your pricing policies Hello Thanks for this link; your catalog has some interesting-sounding stuff in it. I have some fairly serious concerns about the wording of your pricing policy, however. US copyright law allows the screening of whole films/videos in face-to-face classroom teaching, REGARDLESS of the size of the class. Your pricing schedule wording ignores this fact. I understand the differential pricing for public performance rights, but your wording for the $175 library lending rights is misleading and not legally supportable, unless you consider this a contract stipulation, in which case I'd strongly urge my library colleagues not to do business with your firm. Let me know if you have questions, or if there are clarifications I should know about. Gary Handman $175 for library lending rights. Includes screenings rights in classrooms (up to 50 students). $250 library lending rights and public performance rights for screening when no admission fee is charged. (subject) Comments and Suggestion Form (from-name) Library Web user (from-email) someb...@library.berkeley.edu (urlRef) http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/vrtlists.html (comments) -- - Dear Gary I have written before to you about our project Docs for Education I am waiting that Berekeley Library will join other prestigius universities and purchase our films See www.docsforeducation.com http://www.docsforeducation.com/ I want to have our film list on your video listing. thanks Nahum Laufer Docs for Education lauf...@netvision.net.il -- - VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
Re: [Videolib] re Your pricing policies
From a public library standpoint, would not library lending rights be analogous to the accepted term home use only? Or does you company not sell, or seek to sell, to public libraries? $175 is prohibitive at best, and is more in line for a title with the cost for PPR. Are you not interested in selling freely circulating copies that can be borrowed by the public to enjoy in the confines of their own home? More and more top drawer distributors recognize they are missing out on considerable sales by not doing so, and therefore, changing their pricing models. Elizabeth McMahon From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [Videolib] re Your pricing policies Thanks There's still a problem, I'm afraid. Screening films/videos in a classroom in the service of regular curricula does not require separate rights in this country. The copyright laws of the US have a specific provision for allowing such use in face-to-face teaching. It would be more accurate (and honest) to simply charge two prices: One for use in classrooms and libraries, and one for public performance. As to your question: An opening screening (i.e. an extra-curricular screening) generally requires performance rights, even if a professor gives a spiel before the show, and even if no admittance fees are charged. Berkeley would be interested in joining your growing customer base, but not with the terms currently stated on your web site. Shalom, Gary Dear Gary Thanks for your answer and remarks. We knew about the rules of face to face screening in classrooms regardless of size We will remove the words (up to 50 students) from our pricing invoices. Anyway I am not around to count. I hope that will solve the legal problem Most university libraries purchased classroom screening rights, yet some preferred to buy also Public screening rights. Yet I have a question many universities have a film series open to all students faculty and if a professor gives a short explanation before the screening is that a face to face screening? I hope Berkeley will join our growing list of customers Shalom (Peace) Nahum Laufer Sales Docs for Education Erez Laufer Films Holland st 10 Afulla 18371 Israel - Original Message- From: m...@library.berkeley.edu [mailto:m...@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 6:05 PM To: lauf...@netvision.net.il Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Your pricing policies Hello Thanks for this link; your catalog has some interesting-sounding stuff in it. I have some fairly serious concerns about the wording of your pricing policy, however. US copyright law allows the screening of whole films/videos in face-to-face classroom teaching, REGARDLESS of the size of the class. Your pricing schedule wording ignores this fact. I understand the differential pricing for public performance rights, but your wording for the $175 library lending rights is misleading and not legally supportable, unless you consider this a contract stipulation, in which case I'd strongly urge my library colleagues not to do business with your firm. Let me know if you have questions, or if there are clarifications I should know about. Gary Handman $175 for library lending rights. Includes screenings rights in classrooms (up to 50 students). $250 library lending rights and public performance rights for screening when no admission fee is charged. (subject) Comments and Suggestion Form (from-name) Library Web user (from-email) someb...@library.berkeley.edu (urlRef) http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/vrtlists.html (comments) -- - Dear Gary I have written before to you about our project Docs for Education I am waiting that Berekeley Library will join other prestigius universities and purchase our films See www.docsforeducation.com http://www.docsforeducation.com/ I want to have our film list on your video listing. thanks Nahum Laufer Docs for Education lauf...@netvision.net.il -- - VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to
