Re: [Videolib] Institutional Pricing for DVDs rant

2012-09-24 Thread Bergman, Barbara J
It's the vendor's prerogative to sell at different prices, but it annoys me 
when a film vendor doesn't understand U.S. copyright law and tries to grant or 
deny classroom screening rights -- which are explicitly allowed in section 110 
of the copyright law.
I expect that the higher institutional price will include a  license for public 
performance rights, but it has nothing to do with classroom use.

In this case, I would reply to the vendor, politely explaining the classroom 
exemption vs PPR.
If the pricing is more than you want to pay - ask the vendor about discounts.  
I think we all understand that it's not feasible for most filmmakers to make a 
profit at $25 a DVD, but there's usually some room to work with.

(I like discounts because stretching my funds means I ultimately am able to add 
more film titles for my patrons :-)

And Richard - if you haven't attended the National Media Market, it's a great 
way to get to talk one-on-one with vendors and other video buying librarians.

Barb Bergman | Media Services  Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

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Subject: [Videolib] Institutional Pricing for DVDs rant

Fellow camslib/videolib folks, 

A faculty member recently requested we acquire a film titled White Scripts and 
Black Supermen: Black Masculinities in Comic Books.  At the site to purchase 
it, the dreaded tiered pricing plan appears 
(http://newsreel.org/video/WHITE-SCRIPTS-BLACK-SUPERMEN), with public and 
school libraries allowed to buy it for $25, while colleges have to spend nearly 
$200. They claim if you purchase the home video version, you are not granted 
rights to show the film in classrooms. Now, I'm not a lawyer, but these sort of 
statements don't sound right to me. A colleague mentioned that some publishers 
do this because they need funds to cover future productions and it's a way for 
large institutions to subsidize independent documentaries, but I can't help 
feel offended that they use these scare tactics and assume colleges can easily 
absorb these large costs. I'm probably late to the party on this topic, but I 
wonder what your thoughts are. Does anyone try to work with 
publishers/producers to make
  these sort of materials more affordable? How do you all handle these sort of 
acquisition situations?

Cheers from Nebraska,

Richard
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.


Re: [Videolib] Institutional Pricing for DVDs rant

2012-09-24 Thread Jessica Rosner
I am not sure vendor's don't understand the face to face exemption, but at
a minimum some just are very sloppy in how they explain things on their
sites. As I said in my first email I think titles where the vast majority
of interest is going to be the institutional market I think it is best to
bypass individual sales to avoid confusion and resentment. However if you
do want to sell to individuals and prevent them from using their legally
acquired copies in a class you need to have a very specific contract agreed
to at the point of purchase. It is perfectly legal to restrict the use of a
DVD if you make that part of contract the buyer is well aware of and
accepts.

I will say that a lot of filmmakers are genuinely ignorant of the law and
actually believe there is some kind of requirement that institutions pay
more. I have had one very frustrating case of this and after sending over
various links including the copyright law I just gave up.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Bergman, Barbara J 
barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote:

 It's the vendor's prerogative to sell at different prices, but it annoys
 me when a film vendor doesn't understand U.S. copyright law and tries to
 grant or deny classroom screening rights -- which are explicitly allowed in
 section 110 of the copyright law.
 I expect that the higher institutional price will include a  license for
 public performance rights, but it has nothing to do with classroom use.

 In this case, I would reply to the vendor, politely explaining the
 classroom exemption vs PPR.
 If the pricing is more than you want to pay - ask the vendor about
 discounts.  I think we all understand that it's not feasible for most
 filmmakers to make a profit at $25 a DVD, but there's usually some room to
 work with.

 (I like discounts because stretching my funds means I ultimately am able
 to add more film titles for my patrons :-)

 And Richard - if you haven't attended the National Media Market, it's a
 great way to get to talk one-on-one with vendors and other video buying
 librarians.

 Barb Bergman | Media Services  Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota
 State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

 -Original Message-
 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
 videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Graham
 Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 10:27 AM
 To: cams...@lists.carleton.edu
 Cc: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
 Subject: [Videolib] Institutional Pricing for DVDs rant

 Fellow camslib/videolib folks,

 A faculty member recently requested we acquire a film titled White Scripts
 and Black Supermen: Black Masculinities in Comic Books.  At the site to
 purchase it, the dreaded tiered pricing plan appears (
 http://newsreel.org/video/WHITE-SCRIPTS-BLACK-SUPERMEN), with public and
 school libraries allowed to buy it for $25, while colleges have to spend
 nearly $200. They claim if you purchase the home video version, you are not
 granted rights to show the film in classrooms. Now, I'm not a lawyer, but
 these sort of statements don't sound right to me. A colleague mentioned
 that some publishers do this because they need funds to cover future
 productions and it's a way for large institutions to subsidize independent
 documentaries, but I can't help feel offended that they use these scare
 tactics and assume colleges can easily absorb these large costs. I'm
 probably late to the party on this topic, but I wonder what your thoughts
 are. Does anyone try to work with publishers/producers to make
   these sort of materials more affordable? How do you all handle these
 sort of acquisition situations?

 Cheers from Nebraska,

 Richard
 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
 control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
 libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
 an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
 communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
 producers and distributors.

 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
 issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
 control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
 libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
 an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
 communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
 producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication