Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

[Laura Jenemann]

Hello videolib,

How do videolibbers feel about the pay-per-circ pricing model?

Just curious.

Regards,

Laura
Laura Jenemann
Film Studies/Media Services Librarian
Johnson Center Library
George Mason University
4400 University Drive MS 1A6
Fairfax VA, 22030
Phone: 703-993-7593
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 5:11 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

No experience with the services, but did just see these articles re Hoopla and 
other subscription streaming for libraries:
http://gigaom.com/2013/07/24/hoopla-wants-to-be-a-free-netflix-for-library-users/
http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2013/07/media/more-vendors-help-libraries-stream-video/

Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

[David A Bryant]

I would also be interested in hearing responses to Hoopla.

Thanks,
David

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Marsha Loyer
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 12:00 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

Just had a demonstration on Hoopla yesterday!  I would also be very interested 
in any responses.  It looks really good!
Sincerely,
Marsha Loyer
Mishawaka-Penn-Harris Public Library
209 Lincoln Way East
Mishawaka,  IN  46544
574-259-5277 x 200

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Julie Bradford
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 6:51 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

Hello Collective Wisdom,
I am curious to see if any of the public librarians reading this have Midwest 
Tapes' Hoopla...?  Does anyone have any experience with it or know of anyone 
who has it?  Our library is thinking about jumping on, but I just wanted to 
know if anyone can comment on it. How well does it work, pluses and minuses, 
etc.  Thanks in advance for your help.
Feel free to contact me off list.

Thanks,
Julie

Julie Bradford
Lake County Public Library
Merrillville, IN
46410



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] SOPA, PPR, and felonies

[Laura Jenemann]

FYI videolib:

Short article on proposal to make streaming  copyrighted works a felony, with a 
link to the full report.

"SOPA died in 2012, but Obama administration wants to revive part of it"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/05/sopa-died-in-2012-but-obama-administration-wants-to-revive-part-of-it/

Does this mean we wouldn't be able to put a hypothetical VRT karaoke party on 
Youtube?   

Regards,

Laura

Laura Jenemann
Film Studies/Media Services Librarian
Johnson Center Library
George Mason University
4400 University Drive MS 1A6
Fairfax VA, 22030
Phone: 703-993-7593
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu




VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

[Randal Baier]

Hi Laura, well here are two examples in the shape of an "idee"not an answer. 

We own and stream "killing us softly 4" which cost us about $350 inc. the 
streaming Fee. We have at least 700 people per year watching that film at least 
once, so $0.50 per view. 

On the other hand we own "sweetgrass, " which i bought for both aesthetic and 
sociological reasons, at about the same price, and we have maybe 6 viewings per 
year. what is that, $50+ per view per year? 

maybe somewhere there is a better balance overall from a collection point of 
view . 

That's all, i have no real answer, but i think some of the "pay per class" rent 
when you need it schemes might work. 

The one thing that does concern me is the Neo-liberal "everyone pays their own 
way" concept that seems to be behind some of this. Yet another fee added to 
student course costs, etc.

Cheers, Randal Baier

- Reply message -
From: "Laura Jenemann" 
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
Subject: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??
Date: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 3:49 pm




Hello videolib,

How do videolibbers feel about the pay-per-circ pricing model?

Just curious.

Regards,

Laura
Laura Jenemann
Film Studies/Media Services Librarian
Johnson Center Library
George Mason University
4400 University Drive MS 1A6
Fairfax VA, 22030
Phone: 703-993-7593
Email: ljene...@gmu.edu

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 5:11 PM
To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

No experience with the services, but did just see these articles re Hoopla and 
other subscription streaming for libraries:
http://gigaom.com/2013/07/24/hoopla-wants-to-be-a-free-netflix-for-library-users/
http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2013/07/media/more-vendors-help-libraries-stream-video/

Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

[Nellie J Chenault]

We have seen variations on this them over the last decade or so for ebooks
and digital media.  It can be an administrative and budgeting nightmare.
 The more successful models allow access to a selection for users, the
library pays for a predetermined number of uses with the option for
additional use.  Sometimes a certain level of use triggers a
purchase(patron driven acquisition).  It is a reality.

Nell Chenault
VCU Libraries



On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Randal Baier  wrote:

> Hi Laura, well here are two examples in the shape of an "idee"not an
> answer.
>
> We own and stream "killing us softly 4" which cost us about $350 inc. the
> streaming Fee. We have at least 700 people per year watching that film at
> least once, so $0.50 per view.
>
> On the other hand we own "sweetgrass, " which i bought for both aesthetic
> and sociological reasons, at about the same price, and we have maybe 6
> viewings per year. what is that, $50+ per view per year?
>
> maybe somewhere there is a better balance overall from a collection point
> of view .
>
> That's all, i have no real answer, but i think some of the "pay per class"
> rent when you need it schemes might work.
>
> The one thing that does concern me is the Neo-liberal "everyone pays their
> own way" concept that seems to be behind some of this. Yet another fee
> added to student course costs, etc.
>
> Cheers, Randal Baier
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Laura Jenemann" 
> To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
> Subject: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??
> Date: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 3:49 pm
>
>
>
>
> Hello videolib, How do videolibbers feel about the pay-per-circ pricing
> model? Just curious. Regards, Laura Laura Jenemann Film Studies/Media
> Services Librarian Johnson Center Library George Mason University 4400
> University Drive MS 1A6 Fairfax VA, 22030 Phone: 703-993-7593 Email:
> ljene...@gmu.edu -Original Message- From:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 5:11 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu'
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla?? No experience with
> the services, but did just see these articles re Hoopla and other
> subscription streaming for libraries:
> http://gigaom.com/2013/07/24/hoopla-wants-to-be-a-free-netflix-for-library-users/
> http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2013/07/media/more-vendors-help-libraries-stream-video/Barb
>  Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota
> State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.bergman@mnsu.eduVIDEOLIB 
> is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
> and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
> effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and
> lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and
> evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped
> that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians,
> as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational
> institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as
> an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
> producers and distributors.
>
>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

[Laura Jenemann]

Randal, does the library ever own the streaming content after a certain amount 
of views?

Now I'm wondering if any of the streaming vendors have tried out the patron 
driven acquisition model being used for e-books.

Regards,

Laura

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Randal Baier
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 11:43 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

Hi Laura, well here are two examples in the shape of an "idee"not an answer.

We own and stream "killing us softly 4" which cost us about $350 inc. the 
streaming Fee. We have at least 700 people per year watching that film at least 
once, so $0.50 per view.

On the other hand we own "sweetgrass, " which i bought for both aesthetic and 
sociological reasons, at about the same price, and we have maybe 6 viewings per 
year. what is that, $50+ per view per year?

maybe somewhere there is a better balance overall from a collection point of 
view .

That's all, i have no real answer, but i think some of the "pay per class" rent 
when you need it schemes might work.

The one thing that does concern me is the Neo-liberal "everyone pays their own 
way" concept that seems to be behind some of this. Yet another fee added to 
student course costs, etc.

Cheers, Randal Baier

- Reply message -
From: "Laura Jenemann" mailto:ljene...@gmu.edu>>
To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" 
mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>>
Subject: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??
Date: Thu, Aug 8, 2013 3:49 pm



Hello videolib, How do videolibbers feel about the pay-per-circ pricing model? 
Just curious. Regards, Laura Laura Jenemann Film Studies/Media Services 
Librarian Johnson Center Library George Mason University 4400 University Drive 
MS 1A6 Fairfax VA, 22030 Phone: 703-993-7593 Email: 
ljene...@gmu.edu -Original Message- From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Bergman, Barbara J 
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 5:11 PM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla?? No experience with the 
services, but did just see these articles re Hoopla and other subscription 
streaming for libraries: 
http://gigaom.com/2013/07/24/hoopla-wants-to-be-a-free-netflix-for-library-users/
 
http://www.thedigitalshift.com/2013/07/media/more-vendors-help-libraries-stream-video/
 Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | 
barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended 
to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the 
selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use 
of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It 
is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video 
librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational 
institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to 
encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, 
evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped 
that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as 
well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, 
and video producers and distributors.
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Community check out of media in Academic Library

[Jean Reese]

Good Morning,

Our Media Library merged with the main library on campus.  Some discussion has 
been going on about opening up the checkout of materials to community members.  
I have a question about some of the business titles, in particular, from 
companies like Starthrower and CRM Learning.  Since they sell their products at 
a discount to education, government, and non-profits, do you think allowing 
community members to check their materials out would cause a problem? Thanks 
for your opinions and thoughts on this.

Jean


Jean Reese
Walker Library
Middle Tennessee State University
Box 13 / 1301 East Main Street
Murfreesboro, TN 37132

PH: 615-898-2725
email:  jean.re...@mtsu.edu
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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

[Tatar, Becky]

If anyone does, feel free to share with the class!

Becky Tatar
Periodicals/Audiovisuals
Aurora Public Library
1 E. Benton Street
Aurora, IL   60505
Phone: 630-264-4100
FAX: 630-896-3209
blt...@aurora.lib.il.us
www.aurorapubliclibrary.org

-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Julie Bradford
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 5:51 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Public Librarians... Hoopla??

Hello Collective Wisdom,
I am curious to see if any of the public librarians reading this have Midwest 
Tapes' Hoopla...?  Does anyone have any experience with it or know of anyone 
who has it?  Our library is thinking about jumping on, but I just wanted to 
know if anyone can comment on it. How well does it work, pluses and minuses, 
etc.  Thanks in advance for your help.
Feel free to contact me off list.

Thanks,
Julie

Julie Bradford
Lake County Public Library
Merrillville, IN
46410



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Community Media check out

[Deg Farrelly]

Our video collection is open to the general public.  But they must have a
community borrower's card, which comes at a very steep annual price.

Some of our videos come with terms that the video cannot be loaned.  We
note that in the item record and on the packaging, so that we do not loan
outside of the university.  There are very few companies that do this.

It's been a long long long time since I measured the data (I initiated the
policy at a time that videos were still limited to 3 days, and only to ASU
members).  The assumption was that the "community" would pick our shelves
clean, using us like Blockbuster, and that we would not be able to get our
materials back.

Surprisingly, the data (from long long ago) showed that what the community
borrowed was NOT the feature films, but the content they cannot get at the
video store (thenŠ now Netflix, RedBox, etc.)

That is, they borrowed language series, the social justice documentaries,
the STEM contentŠ.   AND they were quite good about returning the
materials on time.

As for faculty and student borrowingŠ. Well that is another story.

And for faculty who complain that "Their" video is not available when they
come it to pick it off the shelf, we gently remind them that their failure
to plan ahead does not constitute the need for policy change for us.  We
offer a media booking system that protects the availability of the videos
they need on the day they need it.

Community members can also view our videos in house.  While some of our
streaming videos automatically authenticate when accessed on campus, as we
move to self-hosting, access with require user authentication, so
community access to streaming video will not be possible.

deg farrelly, Media Librarian
Arizona State University Libraries
Hayden Library C1H1
P.O. Box 871006
Tempe, Arizona  85287-1006
Phone:  602.332.3103

---

http://tinyurl.com/AboutNMM
To market, to market, to find some fresh filmŠ
I'm attending the 2013 National Media Market, November 3-7
In Charleston, South Carolina.  See you there?





On 8/8/13 12:57 PM, "videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

>Our Media Library merged with the main library on campus.  Some
>discussion has been going on about opening up the checkout of materials
>to community members.  I have a question about some of the business
>titles, in particular, from companies like Starthrower and CRM Learning.
>Since they sell their products at a discount to education, government,
>and non-profits, do you think allowing community members to check their
>materials out would cause a problem? Thanks for your opinions and
>thoughts on this.
>
>Jean
>
>
>Jean Reese
>Walker Library
>Middle Tennessee State University
>Box 13 / 1301 East Main Street
>Murfreesboro, TN 37132


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between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Patron Driven Acquisition for Streaming Video

[Deg Farrelly]

In response to Laura's questionŠ

Until very recently there have not been PDA models for streaming video in
the US.  FMG's Films on Demand piloted a PDA model with the Arizona
University Libraries Consortium (AULC) in 2008.  At the time there were no
subscription models for streaming video, only the "shopping cart" approach
of individual title selection and purchase.

The FMG/AULC pilot resulted in the development of Films on Demand, and the
demise (to the best of my knowledge) of the only PDA model for streaming
video.

Now two other companies are beginning to provide PDA models for streaming
video.

Alexander Street Press is rolling out a model.  Currently running in
Scotland as an "evidence based acquisition" model.

And Kanopy, an Australian company, where PDA has been a very successful
model, has entered the US market.  They will be one of the exhibitors at
the National Media Market in November (see links in my signature)


deg farrelly, Media Librarian
Arizona State University Libraries
Hayden Library C1H1
P.O. Box 871006
Tempe, Arizona  85287-1006
Phone:  602.332.3103

---

http://tinyurl.com/AboutNMM
To market, to market, to find some fresh filmŠ
I'm attending the 2013 National Media Market, November 3-7
In Charleston, South Carolina.  See you there?







On 8/8/13 8:56 AM, "videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu"
 wrote:

>
>Randal, does the library ever own the streaming content after a certain
>amount of views?
>
>Now I'm wondering if any of the streaming vendors have tried out the
>patron driven acquisition model being used for e-books.
>
>Regards,
>
>Laura
>


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.