Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that
So long as libraries get no additional rights for paying more for the videos, I expect they will most often opt for the least expensive options for acquiring videos. If distributors sold rights to stream videos for online course and other uses that would benefit libraries and education, then the higher price would be justifiable. Athena Athena Hoeppner Electronic Resources Librarian University of Central Florida Libraries ath...@ucf.edumailto:ath...@ucf.edu | 407-823-5049 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Janice Woo Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 8:11 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that Agree, use the Carnegie Classifications, and please include a tier for Special Focus Institutions. On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu wrote: Scott, That's why I mentioned the Carnegie Classifications. No, there's no perfect, completely fair way to do it, but ANY kind of breakdown that acknowledges significant differences in size would be welcomed. I know that with periodicals, there are sometimes only 3 categories for colleges universities: small, medium and large. The cutoff in one such case for small is under 10,000 FTE. I still think there's likely to be a substantial budgetary difference between an institution with 1,000 FTE and one with 10,000, but even that kind of acknowledgement that there are differences between under-10,000 and, say, 10,000-20,000 and over-20,000 might be appropriate. BTW, I appreciated Deg's comments on ASU's particular role in building a large collection - someone needing to ensure that broad, deep, even esoteric collections exist somewhere. Not many institutions expect that of themselves nor provide the budget to accomplish it. I do think that there are a large number of libraries and media centers which want to and attempt to collect a core of those must-have independent films, though. Deg is blessed with the resources to have purchased 150 or so titles from NMM. I only managed 68 (plus a dozen or so available at home use level). If size were taken into account even a bit in pricing, perhaps we could have reached 100? Susan Albrecht -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of scott petersen Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:40 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Tiered pricing, FTE, and all that How would I figure out the resources of a particular school? Of course, it's easy to figure out if a particular institution is a community college or not, but it seems that there could be a dozen ways to slice it up (size, acq budget, etc.) which might just create more confusion for the librarians and trouble for me. I'd like to make the process as simple as possible while offering a fair price (and still make some money). Bset, Scott Petersen www.MataOrtizMovie.comhttp://www.MataOrtizMovie.com On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Jessica Rosner maddux2...@gmail.commailto:maddux2...@gmail.com wrote: Scott I don't think there is a magic number. If you handle all your sales directly I think the key is flexibility. You can start with a price you think appropriate but work with colleges and libraries depending on their resources. If your film has a particular target audience or user it might help to make them part of the process. Librarians are much more inclined to purchase films that will be used either in classes or just taken out. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] A Distributor's Response
Some disorganized musings about comparing video and journal pricing: The price tiers for academic journals frequently do take the institution size and research level into account. In the academic journal world, pricing models have changed considerably because of the pressure to offer content online. There are frequently licenses involved which delineate perpetual rights granted, outline some reasonable approach to long term accessibility, allow ILL and course pack use, permit off-site and IP access, and so on. I would be more willing to pay institutional video prices if they came with rights to migrate the content forward (or some commitment that the distributor will do it), online access, and so on. I get the feeling that it is much easier for academic journal publishers to control their distribution means than it is for video distributors. That is – it is hard for me to acquire a subscription of Families in Society for my library without going directly to the publisher or through a subscription agent. Both of those approaches will mean that we have to pay the institutional price or the publisher won’t let us subscribe. For videos that want to distribute to the individual market – their distribution options are harder to control. Amazon doesn’t check to see if they are shipping to an educational address. Athena Athena Hoeppner Electronic Resources Librarian University of Central Florida Libraries ath...@ucf.edumailto:ath...@ucf.edu | 407-823-5049 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Anthony Anderson Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 12:26 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] A Distributor's Response I wonder how many media librarians working in academia are aware of the fact that many journal subscriptions are also subject to the same tiered pricing as is the distribution of documentary films. For example: Families in Society (annual subscription) · Individual: $65 · Non-profit agency: $286 · Institution: $315 Psychotherapy (annual subscription) · Individual: $142 · Institution: $425 Chinese Education Society (annual subscription) · Individual: $149 · Institution: $1462 (paper and electronic) These examples are very much the norm and not the examples. And as far as I know, the same institutional rate is applied to all academic institutions--regardless if they are junior colleges, small liberal colleges, or large universities. Just some more food for thought (or...um ...contention.) Cheers! Anthony *** Anthony E. Anderson Assistant Director, Doheny Memorial Library University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182 (213) 740-1190 antho...@usc.edumailto:antho...@usc.edu Wind, regen, zon, of kou, Albert Cuyp ik hou van jou. On 2/26/2013 7:05 AM, Norman Howden wrote: Not to mention that in this line: When filmmakers complete a film, they look for the best opportunities to distribute their work to different markets and usually work with different distributors who hold rights to different types of markets. New Day Films, as many of you know, is a cooperative distribution company that distributes to the educational market, which includes university and college as well as public library, K-12 and community organizations. . . . there is an assumption that distributors hold right to markets. That's not something written into any kind of law, it's one of those assumptions that makes fools out of people! -- Norman Howden, Ph.D. Assistant Dean, Educational Resources El Centro College On 2/26/2013 at 8:16 AM, in message cahnei2bpoyzy9-ogyxol-zznttffbtewf8eenzxnxdhuafb...@mail.gmail.commailto:cahnei2bpoyzy9-ogyxol-zznttffbtewf8eenzxnxdhuafb...@mail.gmail.com, Brian W Boling brian.bol...@temple.edumailto:brian.bol...@temple.edu wrote: Someone who is advocating for the honor system should perhaps change the following line: The only version of My Perestroika that is legally licensed for educational use is distributed by New Day Films. To something more honest...for instance: The home use version you have purchased is legally allowable for use in libraries and classrooms under the First Sale doctrine and Section 110 of Copyright Law. However, we'd really prefer that you pay the educational price to help support our filmmakers and in the event you should ever decide to hold a public performance. Brian Boling Media Services Librarian Temple University Libraries On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Susan Albrecht albre...@wabash.edumailto:albre...@wabash.edu wrote: *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jacqueline Ochs *Sent:* Tuesday
