Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Thanks so much for this information, Peter! Of course I just spent some time translating the titles for myself but I would be interested to compare. Judy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Delin, Peter [de...@zlb.de] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:54 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time Just for the records: An Italian version (130 min., Italian intertitles) has been published on VHS/PAL in 1993 by Prima Immagine distributed by Mondadori Video in their series "Il Grande Cinema". I don't know if they have used the restored version of 1986 with the music of Jean-Christophe Desnoux. We have bought it in those days in Milano. It is no more available anywhere. I hope for a Blu-ray of the restored version. There is an English subtitle file on the web (please see: L'Inhumaine English Titles.srt (14944bytes) show preview) http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3410335/inhumaine-l-en Best Peter http://www.zlb.de/wissensgebiete/kunst_buehne_medien/videos http://dvdbiblog.wordpress.com/ Shoaf,Judith P schrieb: > I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its > various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, > purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It > was issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude > Berri and Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and > includes a sound track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution > by Gaumont Columbia Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies > are gone. Copyright is attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their > website the film appears > > http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html > > though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they > may be the ones preparing a DVD release. > > > > Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and > directed by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a > new score was commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did > strike me as quite different from the music presented in the online clip > (35 min. long), which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that > yet (looking at the credits, comparing with the online movie clip). > > > > So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since > nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. > No idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was > copyrighted in such a way as to be valid now. > > > > I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough > translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, > let me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in > places but the VHS was quite clear. > > > > Judy Shoaf > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Just for the records: An Italian version (130 min., Italian intertitles) has been published on VHS/PAL in 1993 by Prima Immagine distributed by Mondadori Video in their series "Il Grande Cinema". I don't know if they have used the restored version of 1986 with the music of Jean-Christophe Desnoux. We have bought it in those days in Milano. It is no more available anywhere. I hope for a Blu-ray of the restored version. There is an English subtitle file on the web (please see: L'Inhumaine English Titles.srt (14944bytes) show preview) http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3410335/inhumaine-l-en Best Peter http://www.zlb.de/wissensgebiete/kunst_buehne_medien/videos http://dvdbiblog.wordpress.com/ Shoaf,Judith P schrieb: > I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its > various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, > purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It > was issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude > Berri and Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and > includes a sound track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution > by Gaumont Columbia Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies > are gone. Copyright is attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their > website the film appears > > http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html > > though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they > may be the ones preparing a DVD release. > > > > Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and > directed by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a > new score was commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did > strike me as quite different from the music presented in the online clip > (35 min. long), which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that > yet (looking at the credits, comparing with the online movie clip). > > > > So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since > nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. > No idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was > copyrighted in such a way as to be valid now. > > > > I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough > translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, > let me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in > places but the VHS was quite clear. > > > > Judy Shoaf > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Dennis, what we would like to see is actually *not* a go-ahead to make what would no doubt be a poor-quality rip of the SECAM tape. My original inquiry had to do with whether a commercial DVD was known to be in the works. In fact, the film library has one on order from Facets but then I saw that it was listed as not in stock, and not listed anywhere else, and I began to wonder. If Filmes sans frontieres would put out the film in a region-free, yes you can use it in the US version (these things exist!!! la patrimoine se partage!!!) we would be tickled pink, in fact we would have bought it last week. My recommendation to the teacher is to show the SECAM tape and simply read the English titles aloud during the title cards. She had also suggested having the translation available for students to consult before the screening. She is concerned because the tape is so rare but since it has seen so little use I think it could be used for an occasional class screening. The tape was 100% legally commercially produced and legally acquired (purchased in France by a Frenchwoman, what more can I say?) and she could also make clips if it turns out she is just interested in certain sections. Judy Shoaf From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Dennis Doros [milefi...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 8:16 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time Dear Judy, And I hate to say that Films Sans Frontieres does claim to own some rights they do legally have and sadly, some films that they don't. I wouldn't say they are dishonest since I don't really know them past emails, but they have been mistaken in the past. Dennis On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Shoaf,Judith P wrote: > I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its > various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, > purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It was > issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude Berri and > Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and includes a sound > track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution by Gaumont Columbia > Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies are gone. Copyright is > attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their website the film appears > > http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html > > though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they may > be the ones preparing a DVD release. > > > > Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and directed > by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a new score was > commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did strike me as > quite different from the music presented in the online clip (35 min. long), > which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that yet (looking at the > credits, comparing with the online movie clip). > > > > So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since > nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. No > idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was copyrighted > in such a way as to be valid now. > > > > I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough > translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, let > me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in places > but the VHS was quite clear. > > > > Judy Shoaf > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.comebackafrica.com www.yougottomove.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Dear Judy, And I hate to say that Films Sans Frontieres does claim to own some rights they do legally have and sadly, some films that they don't. I wouldn't say they are dishonest since I don't really know them past emails, but they have been mistaken in the past. Dennis On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Shoaf,Judith P wrote: > I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its > various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, > purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It was > issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude Berri and > Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and includes a sound > track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution by Gaumont Columbia > Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies are gone. Copyright is > attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their website the film appears > > http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html > > though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they may > be the ones preparing a DVD release. > > > > Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and directed > by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a new score was > commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did strike me as > quite different from the music presented in the online clip (35 min. long), > which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that yet (looking at the > credits, comparing with the online movie clip). > > > > So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since > nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. No > idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was copyrighted > in such a way as to be valid now. > > > > I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough > translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, let > me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in places > but the VHS was quite clear. > > > > Judy Shoaf > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.comebackafrica.com www.yougottomove.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'inhumaine, one more time
Also not sure which companies don't exist. I don't know Cine Video but Gaumont & Columbia / TriStar both still exist. You have a couple of problems in terms of making a DVD even if the copy is legal. It is not the libraries copy, it is not a copy you could actually legally have acquired in the US though there is certainly a thriving market in imports, it is hard to imagine they would considered legit for the purposes of making a copy in another format. A music score recorded in the 80s would be under copyright ( though in theory if you don't really need it you can just turn it off). I suspect the French Film Office could help you clarify who the rights holder is. Frankly it is mess. Can't see how you can legally obtain it, though it kind of sucks. At the risk of offending Oksana I just would not got to some much trouble on this one. Good Luck On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Shoaf,Judith P wrote: > I just wanted to update anyone who actually cares about this film in its > various incarnations. The copy the French prof here owns is a SECAM VHS, > purchased she says in the mid-1980s, and indubitably a legal copy. It was > issued in a series called ‘Les films de ma vie” curated by Claude Berri and > Jean-Francois Davy. It is based on the 1986 restoration and includes a sound > track. Issued by Ciné Vidéo Film with co-distribution by Gaumont Columbia > Tristar Home Video; I gather both of these companies are gone. Copyright is > attributed to Films sans frontières, and on their website the film appears > > > http://www.films-sans-frontieres.fr/fiche-film/film-inhumaine-l--69.html** > ** > > though with no evidence that a version is available for sale. But they may > be the ones preparing a DVD release. > > ** ** > > Re. the audio; The cover says this is “original music written and directed > by Jean-Christophe Desnoux.” Perhaps for copyright reasons a new score was > commissioned? I didn’t listen to the audio much but it did strike me as > quite different from the music presented in the online clip (35 min. long), > which I assume is the Milhaud. I haven’t gone into that yet (looking at the > credits, comparing with the online movie clip). > > ** ** > > So the film WAS released in France, but possibly never elsewhere, since > nobody seems to have heard of a version with English title translations. No > idea if there’s any way to pin down whether or not the image was copyrighted > in such a way as to be valid now. > > ** ** > > I just watched the whole thing and it’s pretty cool. I also did a rough > translation of the titles, so if anyone does have a copy and needs that, let > me know. In particular, the video available online is illegible in places > but the VHS was quite clear. > > ** ** > > Judy Shoaf > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
