Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
From MPAA February 2011: John Fithian, President and CEO of the National Association of Theatre Owners, added: “The domestic theatrical market continues its strong performance. Box office has grown for four of the past five years, setting records in three of them. It has surpassed $10.5 billion for the past two years. The industry's investments in digital cinema and 3D have begun to show dividends, with 3D releases doubling their share of the box office. Admissions, which are more volatile than box office, continue to hold their own in the face of a prolonged economic downturn. Theater owners continue to offer their patrons the lowest-priced form of out of home entertainment, with the average movie ticket – including premium-priced tickets – costing less than it did in 1970, adjusted for inflation.” http://www.mpaa.org/resources/b14b3a65-ece2-45fb-869f-529b953a286e.pdf NATO claims to represent 30,000 movie screens in all 50 states, including the largest cinema chains in the world and hundreds of independent theatre owners too. But financial stress is more accurate than strong performance? Mike Michael May Adult Services Librarian Carnegie-Stout Public Library 360 West 11th Street Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244 Fax: 563-589-4217 Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Brown, Roger [rbr...@oid.ucla.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 3:32 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience Hi, group, As a former theatre manager for many years, I must respectfully disagree with the idea that theatre managers don't care about good projection, sound, or audience manners. Those are dear to the experience as well as to the well-being of the audience, the efficiency of the staff, and the general daily operation of any theatre. All these create problems we often don't have the ability to solve. The problem is dwindling resources that prevent us from having enough staff, appropriate training, good wages or time to breath. People who work in theatres, make no mistake, generally love and support the audience/theatrical experience. The financial stress felt from Hollywood moves down through theatres to (now obsolete) video stores. Cable is scrambling now to get part of the digital delivery pie, and theatres may be cut out sooner rather than later. (see the story on VOD threat: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118035210?refcatid=13printerfriendly=tru e) Movies may be big for a week (when they are) but don't last long enough for the percentages to tip in the favor of theatres. A larger cultural tidal wave is hard to stop when you have no means. - - Roger Brown Manager UCLA Instructional Media Collections Services 46 Powell Library Los Angeles, CA 90095-1517 office: 310-206-1248 fax: 310-206-5392 rbr...@oid.ucla.edu Today's Topics: 1. Re: NY Times article on movies as a shared experience (Jackson, Sandra F.) Gary, I agree, but I would argue that it's one and the same thing. People see going to a movie now just as if they are watching it at home and feel free to talk, take phone calls, etc. Theaters stopped treating their customers as community members and guests -- and let's remember that ushers did have to stop unruly cinema-goers from day one but there are no more ushers and very few managers who care about good projection, sound and manners. Add to that a Hollywood not interested in hiring the best writers and the best material and more interested in commercial product that can be sold in one sentence. Better movies make less restless audiences. Dennis On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edumailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: ...on the other hand: The Castro and other cinephile venues are one thing; the urban cineplex, definitely another. I'm increasingly appalled by the lunkheadedness and rudeness of movie-going audiences in urban cineplexes... gary handman VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions
Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
I still believe an audience experience is superior to a solo viewing, so I try to train my staff and students to enhance the film events in Lumina Theater. I train the ACE Films committee, our primary event sponsors, to facilitate interactive contests before the film starts. Trivia contests, costume contests, and sing-a-long contests seem to draw the most audience participation. If you start creating audience unity before the event starts, it can grow throughout the showing. I also encourage the committee members to clap after the film, as that act of goodwill can spread within the audience. They also engage in creative advertising on campus to create buzz for their events. This week, they are promoting a 24-hour film festival. Since Jaws is one of the movies they have selected to show, they have made shark fins for committee members to wear on campus. They plan to have a feeding frenzy and circle random people on campus while handing out their event flyers. I train the students on my projectionist staff to do rounds in the theater to stop people from texting and talking. The staff recently created their own amusing pre-show video to inform other students that texting and talking are not allowed in the theater and that staff may remove people who violate Lumina standards. Attendance is still strong, so we must be doing something right. Of course, it helps that ticket prices are low. Thanks, Sandra Sandra F. Jackson Film Program Coordinator Lumina Theater Sharky's Box Office Department of Campus Life The University of North Carolina Wilmington Phone 910.962.7971 Fax: 910-962-7438 jackso...@uncw.edu http://www.uncw.edu/lumina NOTICE: Emails sent and received in the course of university business are subject to the North Carolina Public Records Act (N.C.G.S. §132-1 et seq.) and may be released to the public unless an exception applies. From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:00 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience Dennis I think you need to help Judy see I KNOW WHERE I AM GOING on the big screen. (It is Dennis' all time favorite film) On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Gary, I agree, but I would argue that it's one and the same thing. People see going to a movie now just as if they are watching it at home and feel free to talk, take phone calls, etc. Theaters stopped treating their customers as community members and guests -- and let's remember that ushers did have to stop unruly cinema-goers from day one but there are no more ushers and very few managers who care about good projection, sound and manners. Add to that a Hollywood not interested in hiring the best writers and the best material and more interested in commercial product that can be sold in one sentence. Better movies make less restless audiences. Dennis On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edumailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: ...on the other hand: The Castro and other cinephile venues are one thing; the urban cineplex, definitely another. I'm increasingly appalled by the lunkheadedness and rudeness of movie-going audiences in urban cineplexes... gary handman This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117tel:201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edumailto:deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403tel:480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edumailto:deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions
Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
Susan adds: Makes me think about my January visit to Keystone Art Cinema in Indy, to see The King's Speech with my daughter. I cannot tell you the last time I was part of an audience which burst into spontaneous applause at the end of a film. Not that TKS wouldn't have still been wonderful, viewed alone, but there was definitely something magical and, like you said, Jessica, electric, in watching it with others. Jessica: I could not agree with this article more, but I think a bit too much emphasis is placed in the article on the first run movie experience.. Most of us will be the last generation to remember the joy of seeing old movies art movies at a rep theater, library, college or film society. I am very old school. I rarely watch a film on DVD and I spent my off time going to weird little gatherings of old and mostly obscure films shown mostly in hotel banquet rooms. I argue often with friends who brag about watching some film they found on an illegal ( or heck legal) download. I get physically ill watching commercials advertising the latest cell phones showing movies on 1 inch screen. I am not a purist on format though I still love 16mm 35mm prints. I am less worried about losing the social elements of film going like waiting in line or making a night of it, than I am the experience of seeing a film with a group of other people, most of whom you don't know. I can remember going to see THE THIRD MAN, I KNOW WHERE I AM GOING, IT'S ALWAYS FAIR WEATHER and others here in New York. I had actually seen all of them several times before, but it was and is special to see them with others, especially people who have NOT seen them. There is genuine electricity in the room. We have gotten access to probably tens of thousands of films via legal or illegal means while losing the entire experience of film going. Getting a DVD to watch on your lap top or even your home theater system of a previously rare or hard to see film is not remotely the same as seeing it in a theater and it is in fact NOT better than not seeing it all in my view. It is very, very sad. Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com wrote: This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
My husband and I have been attending the live Met operas in HD at the multiplex. After a couple of very crowded sessions with people crammed into 1 mini-theater they now open 2 of them on Saturday afternoons, and there are Xeroxed program notes and a general sense of welcome. Most of those attending are older folks. It is a great communal experience, and we do applaud along with the live crowd. Of course, applauding a movie is a holdover from applauding live performers Judy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Albrecht Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:20 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience Susan adds: Makes me think about my January visit to Keystone Art Cinema in Indy, to see The King's Speech with my daughter. I cannot tell you the last time I was part of an audience which burst into spontaneous applause at the end of a film. Not that TKS wouldn't have still been wonderful, viewed alone, but there was definitely something magical and, like you said, Jessica, electric, in watching it with others. Jessica: I could not agree with this article more, but I think a bit too much emphasis is placed in the article on the first run movie experience.. Most of us will be the last generation to remember the joy of seeing old movies art movies at a rep theater, library, college or film society. I am very old school. I rarely watch a film on DVD and I spent my off time going to weird little gatherings of old and mostly obscure films shown mostly in hotel banquet rooms. I argue often with friends who brag about watching some film they found on an illegal ( or heck legal) download. I get physically ill watching commercials advertising the latest cell phones showing movies on 1 inch screen. I am not a purist on format though I still love 16mm 35mm prints. I am less worried about losing the social elements of film going like waiting in line or making a night of it, than I am the experience of seeing a film with a group of other people, most of whom you don't know. I can remember going to see THE THIRD MAN, I KNOW WHERE I AM GOING, IT'S ALWAYS FAIR WEATHER and others here in New York. I had actually seen all of them several times before, but it was and is special to see them with others, especially people who have NOT seen them. There is genuine electricity in the room. We have gotten access to probably tens of thousands of films via legal or illegal means while losing the entire experience of film going. Getting a DVD to watch on your lap top or even your home theater system of a previously rare or hard to see film is not remotely the same as seeing it in a theater and it is in fact NOT better than not seeing it all in my view. It is very, very sad. Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com wrote: This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Oh, it is my favorite, too. I discovered it on the Disney channel in the mid-80s, I think, and though I haven't re-watched it for a couple of years I could still repeat some of the dialogue. The thing to do of course is not so much to see it on the big screen but go to Mull, as Nancy Franklin did (the PP group makes pilgrimages from time to time). But I admit it would be gorgeous to see it big. Judy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 11:00 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience Dennis I think you need to help Judy see I KNOW WHERE I AM GOING on the big screen. (It is Dennis' all time favorite film) On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Gary, I agree, but I would argue that it's one and the same thing. People see going to a movie now just as if they are watching it at home and feel free to talk, take phone calls, etc. Theaters stopped treating their customers as community members and guests -- and let's remember that ushers did have to stop unruly cinema-goers from day one but there are no more ushers and very few managers who care about good projection, sound and manners. Add to that a Hollywood not interested in hiring the best writers and the best material and more interested in commercial product that can be sold in one sentence. Better movies make less restless audiences. Dennis On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edumailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: ...on the other hand: The Castro and other cinephile venues are one thing; the urban cineplex, definitely another. I'm increasingly appalled by the lunkheadedness and rudeness of movie-going audiences in urban cineplexes... gary handman This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117tel:201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edumailto:deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403tel:480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edumailto:deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566tel:510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edumailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117tel:201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035tel:201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA
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Actually I HAVE been there . It was cool. On the same trip I visited the Telephone box from LOCAL HERO. Usually I am not into movie locations but those were two I had to see. On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Shoaf,Judith P jsh...@ufl.edu wrote: Oh, it is my favorite, too. I discovered it on the Disney channel in the mid-80s, I think, and though I haven’t re-watched it for a couple of years I could still repeat some of the dialogue. The thing to do of course is not so much to see it on the big screen but go to Mull, as Nancy Franklin did (the PP group makes pilgrimages from time to time). But I admit it would be gorgeous to see it big. Judy *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2011 11:00 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience Dennis I think you need to help Judy see I KNOW WHERE I AM GOING on the big screen. (It is Dennis' all time favorite film) On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: Gary, I agree, but I would argue that it's one and the same thing. People see going to a movie now just as if they are watching it at home and feel free to talk, take phone calls, etc. Theaters stopped treating their customers as community members and guests -- and let's remember that ushers *did* have to stop unruly cinema-goers from day one but there are no more ushers and very few managers who care about good projection, sound and manners. Add to that a Hollywood not interested in hiring the best writers and the best material and more interested in commercial product that can be sold in one sentence. Better movies make less restless audiences. Dennis On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: ...on the other hand: The Castro and other cinephile venues are one thing; the urban cineplex, definitely another. I'm increasingly appalled by the lunkheadedness and rudeness of movie-going audiences in urban cineplexes... gary handman This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! VIDEOLIB
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The last time I was part of an audience which burst into spontaneous applause was a few weeks ago when I screened Tammy and the Bachelor at my public library. After the 30 or so moviegoers (librarygoers?) quieted down, I asked, So you didn't think that was just a bit ridiculous? They all shouted in unison, No! We loved it! And our audience laughed out loud and applauded when we showed Modern Times at Dubuque's Grand Opera House a few years ago. Even with a large audience in a historic theater, the context of the anticipation of hearing Chaplin speak for the first time was missing, so I'm guessing people didn't notice the brilliance of the Little Tramp singing in gibberish as they might have in the late 1930s. But daughter Rebecca, six at the time, couldn't stop laughing. I don't know if she'll remember that moment, but I always will. Mike Michael May Adult Services Librarian Carnegie-Stout Public Library 360 West 11th Street Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244 Fax: 563-589-4217 Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.usmailto:m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Albrecht Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 9:20 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience Susan adds: Makes me think about my January visit to Keystone Art Cinema in Indy, to see The King's Speech with my daughter. I cannot tell you the last time I was part of an audience which burst into spontaneous applause at the end of a film. Not that TKS wouldn't have still been wonderful, viewed alone, but there was definitely something magical and, like you said, Jessica, electric, in watching it with others. ... VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Dennis! Here in Los Angeles we have the ArcLite Theaters, where movie going continues to be a very pleasant, civilized experience. Rules against chatting and text-messaging are strictly enforced and ushers (and managers) are very much on duty. Next time you are in LA do pay a visit to an ArcLite! Cheers! Anthony PS Admission to an ArcLite is not cheap...but well worth the cost in my estimation. *** Anthony E. Anderson Social Studies and Arts Humanities Librarian Von KleinSmid Library University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182 (213) 740-1190 antho...@usc.edu Wind, regen, zon, of kou, Albert Cuyp ik hou van jou. Dennis Doros wrote: Gary, I agree, but I would argue that it's one and the same thing. People see going to a movie now just as if they are watching it at home and feel free to talk, take phone calls, etc. Theaters stopped treating their customers as community members and guests -- and let's remember that ushers /did/ have to stop unruly cinema-goers from day one but there are no more ushers and very few managers who care about good projection, sound and manners. Add to that a Hollywood not interested in hiring the best writers and the best material and more interested in commercial product that can be sold in one sentence. Better movies make less restless audiences. Dennis On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:28 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu mailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: ...on the other hand: The Castro and other cinephile venues are one thing; the urban cineplex, definitely another. I'm increasingly appalled by the lunkheadedness and rudeness of movie-going audiences in urban cineplexes... gary handman This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.com mailto:milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117 tel:201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu mailto:deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 tel:480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu mailto:deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 tel:510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu mailto:ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com mailto:milefi...@gmail.com
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YES! YES! YES! Keep film culture alive! Join the Film Forum (NYC) or Cinema Arts Centre in Huntington, NY, where its founder Vic Skolnick, who died about a year ago, now watches films in Cinema Paradiso! Join and support your non-profit cinema society so that it stays alive! Lisa Flanzraich Media and Reference Librarian Benjamin S. Rosenthal Library Queens College Room 344 718-997-3673 CROWLEY, CHRISTINE ccrowl...@alamo.edu Sent by: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 04/11/2011 10:16 AM Please respond to videolib@lists.berkeley.edu To videolib@lists.berkeley.edu cc Subject Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience I'm with you, Jessica. The thought of trying to watch a movie or reading a book on my cell phone (I have an EVO) is unthinkable. I'd be blind! There is so much more to the movie experience than just being able to see the image, especially an undersized one. Christine Crowley Dean of Learning Resources Adjunct Faculty--Theatre Northwest Vista College 3535 N. Ellison Dr. San Antonio, TX 78251 210.486.4572 office 210.486.4504 fax ccrowl...@alamo.edu Northwest Vista College is one of the Alamo Colleges www.alamo.edu/nvc/lrc From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu on behalf of Jessica Rosner Sent: Sun 4/10/2011 5:40 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience I could not agree with this article more, but I think a bit too much emphasis is placed in the article on the first run movie experience.. Most of us will be the last generation to remember the joy of seeing old movies art movies at a rep theater, library, college or film society. I am very old school. I rarely watch a film on DVD and I spent my off time going to weird little gatherings of old and mostly obscure films shown mostly in hotel banquet rooms. I argue often with friends who brag about watching some film they found on an illegal ( or heck legal) download. I get physically ill watching commercials advertising the latest cell phones showing movies on 1 inch screen. I am not a purist on format though I still love 16mm 35mm prints. I am less worried about losing the social elements of film going like waiting in line or making a night of it, than I am the experience of seeing a film with a group of other people, most of whom you don't know. I can remember going to see THE THIRD MAN, I KNOW WHERE I AM GOING, IT'S ALWAYS FAIR WEATHER and others here in New York. I had actually seen all of them several times before, but it was and is special to see them with others, especially people who have NOT seen them. There is genuine electricity in the room. We have gotten access to probably tens of thousands of films via legal or illegal means while losing the entire experience of film going. Getting a DVD to watch on your lap top or even your home theater system of a previously rare or hard to see film is not remotely the same as seeing it in a theater and it is in fact NOT better than not seeing it all in my view. It is very, very sad. On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition
Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
...on the other hand: The Castro and other cinephile venues are one thing; the urban cineplex, definitely another. I'm increasingly appalled by the lunkheadedness and rudeness of movie-going audiences in urban cineplexes... gary handman This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
I could not agree with this article more, but I think a bit too much emphasis is placed in the article on the first run movie experience.. Most of us will be the last generation to remember the joy of seeing old movies art movies at a rep theater, library, college or film society. I am very old school. I rarely watch a film on DVD and I spent my off time going to weird little gatherings of old and mostly obscure films shown mostly in hotel banquet rooms. I argue often with friends who brag about watching some film they found on an illegal ( or heck legal) download. I get physically ill watching commercials advertising the latest cell phones showing movies on 1 inch screen. I am not a purist on format though I still love 16mm 35mm prints. I am less worried about losing the social elements of film going like waiting in line or making a night of it, than I am the experience of seeing a film with a group of other people, most of whom you don't know. I can remember going to see THE THIRD MAN, I KNOW WHERE I AM GOING, IT'S ALWAYS FAIR WEATHER and others here in New York. I had actually seen all of them several times before, but it was and is special to see them with others, especially people who have NOT seen them. There is genuine electricity in the room. We have gotten access to probably tens of thousands of films via legal or illegal means while losing the entire experience of film going. Getting a DVD to watch on your lap top or even your home theater system of a previously rare or hard to see film is not remotely the same as seeing it in a theater and it is in fact NOT better than not seeing it all in my view. It is very, very sad. On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Dennis Doros milefi...@gmail.com wrote: This is definitely how I feel when we talk about the digital future. That in return for easy access, we've given up the wonder of (and complete attention to) the experience. I just asked my son about seeing silent comedies at the Castro last year. He does realize how special that was. Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video milefi...@gmail.com 201-767-3117 Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2011, at 1:02 PM, Deg Farrelly deg.farre...@asu.edu wrote: From Sunday's NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/10/movies/the-24-hour-movie-and-digital-technology.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=tha26 -- deg farrelly, Full Librarian Mail Code 1006 Arizona State University P.O. Box 871006 Tempe, AZ 85287 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] NY Times article on movies as a shared experience
The other day we were having trouble locating our copy of The 400 Blows and the student discovered in online. I saw her later watching it on her laptop. The widescreen was I guess about 8 inches wide. I had such a vivid memory of Antoine's giant face on the screen, the simple fact that this little boy with his little problems was being presented in this overwhelming, persuasive, unignorable way in that film. Watching it on a tiny screen seemed to me to destroy what the movie was about. My son is in an improv clip on the web in which he is watching Avatar on his phone I have never seen I Know Where I'm Going on the big screen. That would be amazing. Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
