[VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar
My ears have no problem with doubling the 3rd. As I pointed out Chords B, & and N all have the major 3rd doubled. And the consonant form of chord L has the minor 3rd doubled. That doesn't seem to have bothered guitarists in the 17th century and it shouldn't bother you today either. I doubt whether you have encountered the dissonant form of Chord L in your harmony lessons either. That is a purely practical device. Monica - Original Message - From: "David van Ooijen" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 10:12 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar On 9 September 2012 23:08, Monica Hall wrote: I don't think that doubling the 3rd is an issue or that what people learn in their harmony lessons today is particularly relevant. I doubt whether guitarists at the beginning of the 17th century thought in those terms. Neither do today's guitarists who chose for 33002(3), but their ears tell them it's the better choice. In harmony lessons you just learn to give names to what your ears already told you. In other words, don't turn the argument around. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar
On 9 September 2012 23:08, Monica Hall wrote: > I don't think that doubling the 3rd is an issue or that what people learn in > their harmony lessons today is particularly relevant. I doubt whether > guitarists at the beginning of the 17th century thought in those terms. Neither do today's guitarists who chose for 33002(3), but their ears tell them it's the better choice. In harmony lessons you just learn to give names to what your ears already told you. In other words, don't turn the argument around. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar
I don't think that doubling the 3rd is an issue or that what people learn in their harmony lessons today is particularly relevant. I doubt whether guitarists at the beginning of the 17th century thought in those terms. In any case Chord B - the C major chord has the 3rd doubled and so does its transposition - Chord &. So does Chord N. All sound beautifully sonorous. As I have already pointed out the G major chord originally did have the 2nd course unstopped. It changes in later sources. If you stop to think about it all the chords in the basic sequence form major and minor pairs, each fingered the same way except for the 3rd which will be major or minor.So you have A/O; C/E; D/I; F/+; G/P; H/K. Certainly it is convenient when alternating between chords A (or O) and C to play D on the 2nd course in both chords. The point is that these things are determined by practical considerations - not by what you may have learnt in your harmony course. Monica Original Message - From: "Stewart McCoy" To: "Vihuela List" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] G chord on Baroque Guitar Hello Edward, 20033 sounds better (to be subjective), because you get a fuller-sounding chord, with the three notes of the G major triad well-balanced (BDGDG). 20003 would have the note b twice, at the open second course and at the second fret of the fifth course (BDGBD). You will know from your harmony lessons that is not usually a good idea to double the third of a major chord, so having just one b with 20033 means the third of the chord is not over-emphasised. The same thing applies whether or not there is a bourdon on the fifth course. There is also a practical reason for preferring 20033. The G major chord may well be followed or preceded by a chord of D major (alfabeto C). It is easier to find the notes of that chord, if you use 20033 for G major, because your third finger stays in the same place. Hope that helps. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Chrysogonus Yong Sent: 09 September 2012 18:03 To: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] G chord on Baroque Guitar Hi chaps, I'm slightly curious about the G chord on the Baroque Guitar. Sources like the Alfabeto seem to indicate it should be played 20033, but is there any reason why this is preferred over 20003? Thanks! Edward Chrysogonus Yong ky...@pacific.net.sg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] G chord on Baroque Guitar
Hello Edward, 20033 sounds better (to be subjective), because you get a fuller-sounding chord, with the three notes of the G major triad well-balanced (BDGDG). 20003 would have the note b twice, at the open second course and at the second fret of the fifth course (BDGBD). You will know from your harmony lessons that is not usually a good idea to double the third of a major chord, so having just one b with 20033 means the third of the chord is not over-emphasised. The same thing applies whether or not there is a bourdon on the fifth course. There is also a practical reason for preferring 20033. The G major chord may well be followed or preceded by a chord of D major (alfabeto C). It is easier to find the notes of that chord, if you use 20033 for G major, because your third finger stays in the same place. Hope that helps. Best wishes, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Chrysogonus Yong Sent: 09 September 2012 18:03 To: Vihuelalist Subject: [VIHUELA] G chord on Baroque Guitar Hi chaps, I'm slightly curious about the G chord on the Baroque Guitar. Sources like the Alfabeto seem to indicate it should be played 20033, but is there any reason why this is preferred over 20003? Thanks! Edward Chrysogonus Yong ky...@pacific.net.sg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar
I am not a chap but I think I can answer your question. The earliest sources of alfabeto - Montesardo and the Cancionero Bezon give the version of chord A = G major with the 2nd course open. The reason for this is because on the 4-course guitar the 3rd of the chord had to be on the 2nd course as there was no 5th course. Many of the standard alfabeto chords occur in 4-course music but without the 5th course. The earliest source I can think of which has the 3rd on the 5th course only is Colonna. This was probably so that the fingering, or at least the chord shape was the same as the G minor chord - Chord O. Cheers Monica - Original Message - From: "Edward Chrysogonus Yong" To: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] G chord on Baroque Guitar Hi chaps, I'm slightly curious about the G chord on the Baroque Guitar. Sources like the Alfabeto seem to indicate it should be played 20033, but is there any reason why this is preferred over 20003? Thanks! Edward Chrysogonus Yong ky...@pacific.net.sg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: G chord on Baroque Guitar
On 9 September 2012 19:03, Edward Chrysogonus Yong wrote: > Hi chaps, > > I'm slightly curious about the G chord on the Baroque Guitar. Sources like > the Alfabeto seem to indicate it should be played 20033, but is there any > reason why this is preferred over 20003? Like the same preference in (acoustic) pop these days: perhaps just to avoid the double third and get a nice strong fifth. David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] G chord on Baroque Guitar
Hi chaps, I'm slightly curious about the G chord on the Baroque Guitar. Sources like the Alfabeto seem to indicate it should be played 20033, but is there any reason why this is preferred over 20003? Thanks! Edward Chrysogonus Yong ky...@pacific.net.sg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
